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moderated Re: Vacation

Ginny T.
 

Welcome home - hope that you had a great time and got some r&r.

Ginny



On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 09:23 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I am back.

 


moderated Re: Login issues with IE11

 

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Matthew Pitts via Groups.Io <daywalker_blade_2004@...> wrote:

I have several users of my groups that are complaining about not being able to log in using Internet Explorer 11. Have there been any recent changes that you know of that could have caused that?

Not that I can think of (certainly nothing in the past week and a half). Please have them contact support@groups.io if they're still having problems, and I'll be able to look into it.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Link to photos or files in respective photos or files section

Erik Finskas OH2LAK
 

Hello all and apologies if asking something which has been already covered. Tried to search but did not find exactly answer to this.

When a member uploads a photo or file to respective sections, is there a link available which points to the added item, to add such link to a post to the group. For example, a 'for sale' post where the picture of the item in question is added to the photos-section and a link to that is included in the post.

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Erik


moderated Login issues with IE11

 

Mark,

I have several users of my groups that are complaining about not being able to log in using Internet Explorer 11. Have there been any recent changes that you know of that could have caused that?


moderated Re: Vacation

Sugar Lopez
 

Welcome back Mark!

Sugar

 

Be gentle and you can be bold; be frugal and you can be liberal; avoid putting yourself before others and you can become a leader among men.

Lao Tzu

-Sugar

 

From: beta@groups.io [mailto:beta@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 9:24 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Vacation

 

Hi All,

I am back. It will take me a little while to dig out from all the emails.

One of the web servers spontaneously rebooted Sunday morning at 2am pacific time, but other than that I'm unaware of any issues that occurred while I was away.

Thanks, Mark




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moderated Re: Vacation

 

Hi All,

I am back. It will take me a little while to dig out from all the emails.

One of the web servers spontaneously rebooted Sunday morning at 2am pacific time, but other than that I'm unaware of any issues that occurred while I was away.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Photo Album Sorting

 

Good morning Mark...

I #suggest that you consider adding a #Photo Album sorting feature.  My wish would simply be for 'Most Recent at the Top'.

Many thanks.


With best regards

-Jim Coffee-
one of the group's Moderators


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moderated Re: Moving a message to a different topic

 

Thanks, J. I was hoping there was a simple way of unplugging it from one thread before anyone had a chance to reply to it and plugging it into the correct thread, but I see that the problem is it has already gone out by email. My inclination is to just leave it alone and let it die out on it's own.
Dano


moderated Re: Moving a message to a different topic

 

Also, you'll find that renaming/splitting is pretty ineffective anyway if some people use email to respond in your group. Those people will continue to respond via the original email thread and that will essentially two branches of the same thread, despite the intention to have two distinct threads. It's another reason I don't rename or split any more.

If people go off-topic in my group now, I just tell them to start a new thread. And I might put them on moderated status to prevent them from continuing with off-topic posts in the current thread.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Moving a message to a different topic

 

You can split the thread at his message and create a new thread. (If there already any messages after his, you will have to then split those back off and merge them with the original thread.)

But be aware that if you rename or split any thread, you will be unable to successfully lock or moderate it later, since the renaming creates a loophole through email messages still floating around. For that reason, I never split, merge, or rename threads any more. (This might be on Mark's todo list to fix. I'm unsure of the status.)
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Moving a message to a different topic

 

Members are so creative at messing up. I've had a member reply to a previous message, however he did not write it on the message he intended to tie it to. So now I have a message that needs to be moved to a different topic. Is there a way to do this, or should I just delete it and have him resend?
Dano


moderated Re: Group transfer process suggestion

Ginny T.
 

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 10:31 pm, D R Stinson wrote:
Ginny, it sounds like you have a well-minding group. Sometimes I wish I could say the same. My group is a historically focused group with a lot of older, independent guys who haven't followed instructions unquestioningly since the last big war.

 Don't bet on it :>)  - believe me. There are times when I swear my head is a rubber ball bouncing against the proverbial brick wall. That's why I resorted to the restricting and moderating -   I'm trying to set up subgroups for "classrooms" and posted a note to the group letting them know that it was in progress, please DO NOT join a subgroup until I let everyone know that things are ready. Do I really have to tell you what happened? :>)

I'm not sure that herding cats even comes close at times... but the point I was trying to make is that there are ways to use the group's settings that can go a long way in helping the issues mentioned, for people looking to move (large groups especially) in the future.

Keep the faith gang,

Ginny


moderated Re: Search options

 

J,

I don't think so. As Mark explained it in one of the prior threads,
the algorithm he's using just looks for common word roots. Or
something...
I did some web searching on Elasticsearch to see if I could find a work-around. Alas, I didn't.

From what I saw it seems that the standard evaluator for both the content index and the search queries converts words into their roots. There are hints that Mark might be able to change this behavior by making different calls to Elasticsearch, but Elasticsearch is available in many different packages, from different parties, and I don't know which one he is using.

In a product I looked at one of the query functions exposes a "simplified" query language that users could put in their search strings. But its syntax seemed a bit odd, and even with that I'm not sure how one would express an exact match (quotes merely serve to group a phrase - these words in this order). I tried various things, but either I really didn't understand the syntax or Mark isn't using that call. Or both.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Search options

 

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 11:59 pm, D R Stinson wrote:
Would it also be possible to include a space after the word but inside the quote to avoid lengthened versions of a term?

I don't think so. As Mark explained it in one of the prior threads, the algorithm he's using just looks for common word roots. Or something...  
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Search options

Ary <udxf@...>
 

I tried that too, at first I thought that it worked when you put a string in quotes, but it didn’t. It sure would be nice if this could be improved.

 

Cheers


Ary

 

Van: beta@groups.io [mailto:beta@groups.io] Namens J_Catlady
Verzonden: zondag 9 april 2017 08:19
Aan: beta@groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [beta] Search options

 

If you do a search in this group on "exact match" you will find a lot of prior discussions about this. Groups.io is using some software for searches that relies on some assumptions about language and cuts corners as a result. Fixing this may be on the todo list now, but I'm not sure.

Even putting the string in quotes does not work - for example, if you do a search in this group on "disabled" you will also get "disable", "disability," etc. This is a particular nuisance in our group, where we would like to be able to search on precise medical terms and instead get all sorts of approximations. 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Search options

 

I agree with this. Any group that uses technical terms needs the ability to search for precise wording. Would it also be possible to include a space after the word but inside the quote to avoid lengthened versions of a term? For example, something like "link " to avoid finding 'linked'.
Dano
 

If you do a search in this group on "exact match" you will find a lot of prior discussions about this. Groups.io is using some software for searches that relies on some assumptions about language and cuts corners as a result. Fixing this may be on the todo list now, but I'm not sure.

Even putting the string in quotes does not work - for example, if you do a search in this group on "disabled" you will also get "disable", "disability," etc. This is a particular nuisance in our group, where we would like to be able to search on precise medical terms and instead get all sorts of approximations. 
--
J


moderated Re: Search options

 

If you do a search in this group on "exact match" you will find a lot of prior discussions about this. Groups.io is using some software for searches that relies on some assumptions about language and cuts corners as a result. Fixing this may be on the todo list now, but I'm not sure.

Even putting the string in quotes does not work - for example, if you do a search in this group on "disabled" you will also get "disable", "disability," etc. This is a particular nuisance in our group, where we would like to be able to search on precise medical terms and instead get all sorts of approximations. 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Search options

Ary <udxf@...>
 

Hi all,

 

Is there a way to search for an exact match? I cannot find it. Searching for something in a couple of thousands of mails is terrible now, unless I do something wrong.

When I search for a word or string I get everything that has only a part of the word or string in it, while I just want to search for a specific word. I get a lot of complaints about this in my group.

 

Cheers,


Ary


moderated Re: Group transfer process suggestion

Ro
 

Info on cat herding for you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ0ur5GKC0w


Ro

with Silk gazing over the fence, and Sally, Handy, Feliz &  Police Kitty patrolling in the Great Beyond.





From: beta@groups.io <beta@groups.io> on behalf of D R Stinson <dano@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 10:12 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Group transfer process suggestion
 
To add a few details that might help understand the situation. This is a group of well over 2,000 members, with a message archive of well over 85,000 messages, reaching back to onelist in 1998. Mark talked previously about Yahoo imposing a limit on the number of messages that could be moved per hour, and I'm sure that was certainly a factor. I'm going to estimate message transfer time alone was well over four hours, and Mark explained there was an unexpected glitch in transferring photos that hung up that process and the moving of files such that it had to be manually redone.
 
Yes, moderating the group might help, but I was still trying to deal with people trying to manually subscribe during the automated process. I believe much of this impatience was because people had gotten the move message and felt they needed to do something. If they hadn't gotten the message until the membership was fully moved and the messages populated, that would avoid some problems from the membership, and wouldn't hurt anything that I could see. Maybe others have different circumstances that would require different handling. In this case I suspect waiting on sending the message as avoiding problems for most people.
 
Ginny, it sounds like you have a well-minding group. Sometimes I wish I could say the same. My group is a historically focused group with a lot of older, independent guys who haven't followed instructions unquestioningly since the last big war. And yet, because of their age and spirit, these are the ones who share the most history with others and who bring a taste of reality to the group. Their computer expertise runs the entire spectrum, but I have to create detailed instructions to do things and some still have problems (as I've noted on GroupManagersForum). When I mentioned the impending move, one experienced member wished me luck in herding the cats. There was more truth to that than I had hoped.
 
Dano
 
 
Ginny commented:
With all due respect, I think this is more of a group owner thing to take care of. I moved a 700+ group last month, with just under 30,000 messages in the archive from Yahoo Groups. I spent the weeks running up to the move date prepping my people (while still on Yahoo) in terms of what will happen, what they will see, how to activate their subscription... and I also prepped our new Groups.io site with the cover photo, writing the wiki to provide user-help documentation, making sure all of the settings were tweaked, setting up the standing messages, etc.

. . . . . . . . .

 


moderated Re: Group transfer process suggestion

 

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 10:31 pm, D R Stinson wrote:
luck in herding the cats

That pretty much sums it up for our group, too (which coincidentally is a cats group ;) 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

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