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moderated Re: Pricing increase

 

Mark wrote:
... we will be increasing the price of our Premium Plan on May 1st to
$30/month. For groups that are already on the Premium Plan, you will be
grandfathered in at your existing $10/month rate (this includes groups that
opt for the Premium Plan between now and May 1st).
. . . . . . . .
Please let me know if you have any questions, and thanks for your support.
The expense of maintaining a group has come up as a subject on the group at the questioning of some members, and there was a question about whether there was a way for groups to self-fund through something such as 'Patreon'. Is anyone aware of some kind of a system that would allow this easily, so that those members who were able could donate sums to support the group?

Dano


moderated Re: Pricing increase

 

On 17 Apr 2017 at 16:46, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Since we launched over two years ago, the Premium Plan has been priced at
$10/month.
Hi Mark,

Although I'm heavily invested in group ownership, I don't think I will ever
be to the point of paying $30/mo.

On the other hand, I want to contribute $$$ to the financial success of
groups.io

Will you ever have another option for supporters to contribute, like
shareware? I don't know you would have a lot of contributors, but you'd
have at least one!

--
Jim
Poston@vch-nv.us

<< It is better to wear out than to rust out. >>


moderated Pricing increase

 

Hi All,

Since we launched over two years ago, the Premium Plan has been priced at $10/month. Over that time, we've added numerous features to both our free and paid plans, including subgroups, a calendar, photos, files, databases, and chat, along with many other moderation and member improvements. With that in mind, we will be increasing the price of our Premium Plan on May 1st to $30/month. For groups that are already on the Premium Plan, you will be grandfathered in at your existing $10/month rate (this includes groups that opt for the Premium Plan between now and May 1st).

As a reminder, the Premium Plan gets you the ability to directly add users, more storage space, group aliases, and the ability to track removed members, as well as premium support. In the near future we will also be adding, as a Premium Plan feature, the ability to specify a questionnaire for potential members and the ability to keep track of additional, moderator specified, information for each member. And later this year, we plan on also adding the ability to collect fees from members.

In addition, we will be making one change that will only affect groups created on or after May 1st. The ability to specify events that require an RSVP will become a Premium Plan feature for groups that are created on or after May 1st. Again, this is for new groups only; we will never take away existing features for existing groups. I also want to note that we will always have a free plan.

Please let me know if you have any questions, and thanks for your support.

(And yes, Mark is referring to himself as we. So very pretentious.)

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: Pending members list

Dave
 

Thank you Lena.  I deleted the HTML promote from my website and the bot memberships have completed dried up!

David

On 04/15/2017 12:53 AM, Lena wrote:
I think that the bot membership requests are via signup/subscription form on your website (you copied HTML generated by Promote). If you replace that HTML with a simple link to your group on the groups.io website, bot membership requests will likely stop.


moderated Re: in home page and overall hashtag list, indicate "used by moderators only" if that is the case #suggestion

Carol Good
 

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 02:00 am, Shal Farley wrote:
There's a relevant conversation currently in GroupManagersForum,
specifically seeking viewpoints on the use of hashtags in groups:
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/4845745
(public archive, membership not required to read)
I'll take a look, thanks.

In these cases the hashtags are system defined, so your inference is
correct: the hashtag would be included anyway.
OK, thanks for that confirmation.

By "never show up" I presume you mean that the button for that page
would not appear in the left column; nor a top-ten list of them on your
group's home page. Not that you would forbid a message Subject that
contains an incidental juxtaposition of a number sign with some other
characters.
Exactly - we wouldn't worry if anyone used "#1 choice" for example, as it would be a manual creation but with our setting it wouldn't then generate a tag. However having made the decision not to have tags in the group we were slightly bemused by the auto-tags (even though I read the messages on beta months ago about them, sometimes these things only make an impression later).

Carol


moderated Re: in home page and overall hashtag list, indicate "used by moderators only" if that is the case #suggestion

 

Carol,

We felt they would serve no useful purpose and likely to be misused,
...
There's a relevant conversation currently in GroupManagersForum, specifically seeking viewpoints on the use of hashtags in groups:
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/4845745
(public archive, membership not required to read)

In testing [polls] at our subgroup, the #Poll tag was added
automatically.
In addition to polls, calendar event reminders also have system-defined hashtags in their Subject. System-defined hashtags do not appear on the Hashtags page until first used.

That might be because I'm a moderator and we haven't yet tried
creating one from a normal membership account, but the implication is
that the hashtag would still be added even though members can't
create them.
In these cases the hashtags are system defined, so your inference is correct: the hashtag would be included anyway.

I'm sure for many groups they have value, but our preference would be
to be able to completely disable hashtags so that they never show
up.
By "never show up" I presume you mean that the button for that page would not appear in the left column; nor a top-ten list of them on your group's home page. Not that you would forbid a message Subject that contains an incidental juxtaposition of a number sign with some other characters.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: in home page and overall hashtag list, indicate "used by moderators only" if that is the case #suggestion

Carol Good
 

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 06:51 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
I've just eliminated almost all of the hashtags in my group because of rampant
misuse, confusion, etc., and because they were serving no useful purpose in my
group. I kept a couple of them, for use by moderators only: #admin (for
administrative issues), #technical (for technical issues), and #poll.
It's interesting you raise this. We felt they would serve no useful purpose and likely to be misused, so in our group we took the decision to put the setting for hashtags to 'moderators create only' at group setup, in the absence of a 'disable' setting. So far no one has asked about them, although like your group our members can see the option for hashtags on the sidebar.

However, we have been asked about using polls which up till now have been disabled. In testing these at our subgroup, the #Poll tag was added automatically. That might be because I'm a moderator and we haven't yet tried creating one from a normal membership account, but the implication is that the hashtag would still be added even though members can't create them.

I'm sure for many groups they have value, but our preference would be to be able to completely disable hashtags so that they never show up.

Carol


moderated in home page and overall hashtag list, indicate "used by moderators only" if that is the case #suggestion

 

I've just eliminated almost all of the hashtags in my group because of rampant misuse, confusion, etc., and because they were serving no useful purpose in my group. I kept a couple of them, for use by moderators only: #admin (for administrative issues), #technical (for technical issues), and #poll.

Members will henceforth not be able to use the tags, but they will still see the list in both the home page and through clicking on "hashtags" in the left sidebar. I think this could be confusing. To minimize the confusion, I've added the text "for use by moderators only" to the tag descriptions. But I think it would be helpful for the system to add that as an indicator on tags that are set for use by mods only. 

I also would like to see the hashtag list on the home page disappear in general. I can't see what purpose it serves, especially since the hashtag dropdown comes up in the new topic for all tags that members are allowed to use purpose. And I think its existence may be confusing, especially when some tags are useable by members and others aren't.

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Pending members list

 

It comes from the group owner address and all they need to do is reply to it. Their reply will go to all moderators who are set to receive "messages from subscribers." 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Pending members list

 

Just a simple question — When this message is sent out, who does it come from? I ask so that I can get the wording correct. Should the prospective member simply reply to the message or does it need to be sent to the owner address?
Dano


moderated Re: Pending members list

Dave
 

Thank  you Lena,

I have removed the Promote HTML from the external web site.

And I was not aware that I could configure to automatically send a notice to pending subscriptions.

David


moderated Re: Pending members list

 

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 04:50 am, Dave wrote:


I cull the bot membership requests by send each requester a query for
additional information. 
That query can be sent automaticallly: Settings - Member Notices - New Notice - Notice Type: Pending Subscription, check Active Message

The query is cryptic and would only be understood by
a valid human request for membership.
I think that the bot membership requests are via signup/subscription form on your website (you copied HTML generated by Promote). If you replace that HTML with a simple link to your group on the groups.io website, bot membership requests will likely stop.


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • BUGFIX: Sometimes lines were cut in half when using the sticky wiki function. Should be fixed now.
  • BUGFIX: Calendar events that span multiple months would not be displayed in month calendar view.
  • CHANGE: Removed section of privacy policy stating that we may send marketing materials to you.
  • BUGFIX: Fix for a crash in billing when someone doesn't have a credit card on file.
  • CHANGE: For groups with Normalize HTML set, don't show font/color options in the HTML editor

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated Re: YAY! System no longer inverts moderator's pasted-in signature block

 

Hi Jennifer,

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 7:41 AM, Jennifer Christian <jhchristian@...> wrote:

Thank you, Mark, for finding and fixing this problem.  Or at least it worked perfectly today. 

I wish I could take credit for it, but I haven't yet been able to fix the problem. Other people are experiencing it as well, you can see a bug report about it here: https://github.com/summernote/summernote/issues/1964

Still looking.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Poll Results #suggestion

Ginny T.
 

Uh, I don't think we're talking the same thing. As I understand it, I can email poll results to poll responders while the poll is open. That I get. What I am looking for is a way to email me, as the owner/moderator, the results of the poll at any point - whether it's at the end of the open time, or after it's closed so that I have a record/summary of the results. It actually doesn't have to be an email - even being able to download them somehow would be great.

We use polls to collect information for future programming and activities, as an example. This is not something that everyone in the group needs or wants but it's information that those of us planning for the group would find helpful.

Thanks,

Ginny


On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 03:49 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Right now, closing a poll doesn't generate any emails. I suppose you could set the poll to not show results until the poll is closed, and instead of closing the poll at the end, you could delete it.

 


moderated Re: Poll Results #suggestion

ro-esp
 

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 03:49 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:


Right now, closing a poll doesn't generate any emails.
That's odd. As far as I remember, yahoogroups gives you the choice to select where you want the message sent once the poll closes:
- send result to the group
- send results to the creator of the poll
- send results to the moderators (not sure this one exists)

These are the obvous options I can think of, or maybe you can add "don't send results"

groetjes, Ronaldo


moderated YAY! System no longer inverts moderator's pasted-in signature block

Jennifer Christian
 

Thank you, Mark, for finding and fixing this problem.  Or at least it worked perfectly today. 

My most frequent editing change (as a very active moderator) is to add signature blocks (name, profession or role, work location) at the end of messages when members forget to do so.  (It's a requirement in our group).   So when today I had to do it, I went to the message archive, copied a signature block from one of the member's prior messages -- and it appeared in perfect order. 

Jennifer


moderated Pending members list

Dave
 

I cull the bot membership requests by send each requester a query for additional information.  The query is cryptic and would only be understood by a valid human request for membership.  It would really help if a tag were added to each pending request line to which a message had been sent, similar to

Thank you for considering this request.

David



moderated Re: Link to photos or files in respective photos or files section

 

Erik,

When a member uploads a photo or file to respective sections, is
there a link available which points to the added item, to add such
link to a post to the group.
No, but it has been on my wish-list for a while:
https://groups.io/g/beta/message/8662

Search the beta archives for "permalink" to find more mentions of the idea.

"Permalink" is a name given to things like those little chain link icons you see at the upper right of messages in groups.io groups. A link that you can copy to paste elsewhere, which will always lead back to the current item/page. Hence "permanent link" - permalink.

Often you can use the browser's address bar to copy a link to a page or item. But web sites don't generally promise that those addresses will work in the future (and may not even work now, if the page is generated dynamically).

Another metaphor for the same idea are the "Share" icons or links that you often see in shopping or social sites. Those often open up multiple means of sharing the item, but usually include a (sometimes shortened) link that you can copy.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Poll Results #suggestion

 

Hi Ginny,

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Ginny T. <gttemari@...> wrote:

While we're writing a wish list for polls, it would be a big help to be able to email results to only the moderator(s), rather than the group as it is now. There are times when a poll is done to help owners and moderators work up programming, collect input, etc., when emailing results to the membership is not necessarily applicable but of high value to the administrators of the group.

Right now, closing a poll doesn't generate any emails. I suppose you could set the poll to not show results until the poll is closed, and instead of closing the poll at the end, you could delete it.

Mark

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