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moderated Re: Pending members list

 

I left the html promotion on my website, but whatever Mark did at his end has resolved the problem completely, and I'm back to my usual numbers of pending members. . Thank you, Mark.

Helen

Thank you Lena. I deleted the HTML promote from my website and the bot memberships have completed dried up!

David


moderated Re: Where to mute a hashtag?

Erik Finskas OH2LAK
 

Replying to myself, as I can see that in this Beta-group the footer includes the link to mute a hashtag, which our group (Fin-Ham@groups.io) footer does not include!

So now I know where to do it: https://groups.io/mk?hashtag=hashgtags

..
Erik

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 1:46 PM Erik Finskas OH2LAK <erik.finskas@...> wrote:
Hello all.

I'm failing badly to understand how to mute a hashtag, in this particular case the '#cal-reminder' tag which we have taken into use in our groups.

In every mail footer there is the link to mute the thread but not the hashtag itself.

I tried to find where this could be done but did not find, although the topics has been covered here many times but a simple pointer where and how it is done is missing.

..
Erik




moderated Where to mute a hashtag?

Erik Finskas OH2LAK
 

Hello all.

I'm failing badly to understand how to mute a hashtag, in this particular case the '#cal-reminder' tag which we have taken into use in our groups.

In every mail footer there is the link to mute the thread but not the hashtag itself.

I tried to find where this could be done but did not find, although the topics has been covered here many times but a simple pointer where and how it is done is missing.

..
Erik


Re: Stopping posting of photos in the file section?

 

Mark,

Awesome! Thanks!
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Re: Stopping posting of photos in the file section?

 

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 09:08 pm, J_Catlady wrote:

Could I convince you to reconsider and to make this restriction optional? It will cause hardship to our group not to be able to upload photos to the Files section.

Apologies for taking so long, but there's now a checkbox in the group settings to allow photos to be uploaded to the files section (it is not checked by default).

Cheers, Mark


moderated Re: Thank you Mark

 

Agreed and I think everything always flows down from the top. So the hand of Mark will always be there.:)

J

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 20, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Jim Poston <groups.io@poston.ml1.net> wrote:

On 20 Apr 2017 at 9:01, Sugar wrote:

... tells me so much about how much you care and want to assist with
and when you can.
I already sent in my "+1", but I just have to "me, too" your post.

Mark, I really appreciate your dedication to this medium. After starting
with Onelist, when I first saw your name attached to groups.io, I knew it
was where I wanted to be.

I look forward to the time that groups.io is front-of-mind to the public. On
the other hand, I'm not looking forward to the time when the "hand of
Mark" is no longer on everything that groups.io is, from development to
support. I know you'll keep it going the right direction, I'll just miss the
uber-personal touch.

Thanks for all you do, Mark!

--
Jim
Poston@vch-nv.us

<< Hey! Teacher! Leave us kids alone! - R.Waters >>



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I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Thank you Mark

 

On 20 Apr 2017 at 9:01, Sugar wrote:

... tells me so much about how much you care and want to assist with
and when you can.
I already sent in my "+1", but I just have to "me, too" your post.

Mark, I really appreciate your dedication to this medium. After starting
with Onelist, when I first saw your name attached to groups.io, I knew it
was where I wanted to be.

I look forward to the time that groups.io is front-of-mind to the public. On
the other hand, I'm not looking forward to the time when the "hand of
Mark" is no longer on everything that groups.io is, from development to
support. I know you'll keep it going the right direction, I'll just miss the
uber-personal touch.

Thanks for all you do, Mark!

--
Jim
Poston@vch-nv.us

<< Hey! Teacher! Leave us kids alone! - R.Waters >>


moderated Re: Maximum image size default for groups transfer

 

Hi All,

I've just pushed the wording changes from Shal.

Thanks,
Mark
Thanks, Mark! Those seem to be clearer now about explaining what they do. Thanks to Shal and J for the editing recommendations.
Dano


moderated Re: Maximum image size default for groups transfer

 

Hi All,

I've just pushed the wording changes from Shal.

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:15 PM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:
> > Perhaps there is enough confusion about this that a little clarification
> > of the descriptions would be helpful?
> >
> > This is all correct (including the need to clarify the descriptions). It's
> currently:
>
> Label: Max Attachment Size
> Help text: Max size of attachments sent in emails.
>
> What should it be changed to?

I think there are others here who are better at wording. I would defer to them. I would only ask that the text for the individual subscribers to change their own settings be written so someone without a lot of computer experience would understand it.

> And Dano, going through the code, this setting, along with Message
> Selection and Auto Follow Replies is currently hardcoded when transferring
> a Yahoo group, ignoring the Default Sub Settings. I did this on purpose
> some time back and I don't actually remember why. Should we use the default
> sub settings when doing a Yahoo transfer?

I would recommend yes, use the set default. The person setting up the group may have a much better understanding of the existing members' capabilities than anyone else. I would also suggest to owners transferring groups to give careful consideration to the skills of their existing members when making this choice. Being a little conservative in their selection may avoid problems for less experienced users and create fewer moderator problems.

Dano





moderated Thank you Mark

Sugar Lopez
 

Mark

I have enjoyed groups io and I have mentioned to you many times how much I appreciate your will to always assist me personally with my groups. Being totally blind and having you to assist when I just can’t or don’t know or not sure tells me so much about how much you care and want to assist with and when you can.

The free options is appreciated and has allowed me to switch from Yahoo to groups io and never have I regretted it!

Thank you for all you do.

Sugar Lopez

 

“I speak my mind because it hurts to bite my tongue all the time.”

-Sugar




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moderated Re: Pricing increase

 

Just an FYI. I think our group will use Paypal for voluntary donations (whether or not groups.io ends up allowing payment by PayPal), and any overage will be donated to an animal charity to be chosen by our resident veterinary professional (who volunteers HIS time), as a form of indirect thanks to him. So that is our group's tentative solution. The $120 per year is not a burden on me personally or any of my group's admin team, but we feel this gives our members a way to express their appreciation to us and to our resident vet, and to feel more a part of the group. Plus, minor detail, I get to keep bugging Mark with my support questions. ;)

J

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 20, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Jim Ruby <jim@...> wrote:

Mark, you have done a great job with groups.io, unfortunately the free subscription will meet our needs. I just wanted to let you know that all your hard work is appreciated.

 

Please don't apologize. The free option will always be more than enough for many groups, and that's fantastic.

Mark 

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moderated Re: Pricing increase

 

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Jim Ruby <jim@...> wrote:

Mark, you have done a great job with groups.io, unfortunately the free subscription will meet our needs. I just wanted to let you know that all your hard work is appreciated.

 

Please don't apologize. The free option will always be more than enough for many groups, and that's fantastic.

Mark 


moderated Re: Pricing increase

Jim Ruby <jim@...>
 

Mark, you have done a great job with groups.io, unfortunately the free subscription will meet our needs. I just wanted to let you know that all your hard work is appreciated.

 

From: beta@groups.io [mailto:beta@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 6:47 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Pricing increase

 

Hi All,

Since we launched over two years ago, the Premium Plan has been priced at $10/month. Over that time, we've added numerous features to both our free and paid plans, including subgroups, a calendar, photos, files, databases, and chat, along with many other moderation and member improvements. With that in mind, we will be increasing the price of our Premium Plan on May 1st to $30/month. For groups that are already on the Premium Plan, you will be grandfathered in at your existing $10/month rate (this includes groups that opt for the Premium Plan between now and May 1st).

As a reminder, the Premium Plan gets you the ability to directly add users, more storage space, group aliases, and the ability to track removed members, as well as premium support. In the near future we will also be adding, as a Premium Plan feature, the ability to specify a questionnaire for potential members and the ability to keep track of additional, moderator specified, information for each member. And later this year, we plan on also adding the ability to collect fees from members.

In addition, we will be making one change that will only affect groups created on or after May 1st. The ability to specify events that require an RSVP will become a Premium Plan feature for groups that are created on or after May 1st. Again, this is for new groups only; we will never take away existing features for existing groups. I also want to note that we will always have a free plan.

Please let me know if you have any questions, and thanks for your support.

(And yes, Mark is referring to himself as we. So very pretentious.)

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: Maximum image size default for groups transfer

 

Perhaps there is enough confusion about this that a little clarification
of the descriptions would be helpful?

This is all correct (including the need to clarify the descriptions). It's
currently:

Label: Max Attachment Size
Help text: Max size of attachments sent in emails.

What should it be changed to?
I think there are others here who are better at wording. I would defer to them. I would only ask that the text for the individual subscribers to change their own settings be written so someone without a lot of computer experience would understand it.

And Dano, going through the code, this setting, along with Message
Selection and Auto Follow Replies is currently hardcoded when transferring
a Yahoo group, ignoring the Default Sub Settings. I did this on purpose
some time back and I don't actually remember why. Should we use the default
sub settings when doing a Yahoo transfer?
I would recommend yes, use the set default. The person setting up the group may have a much better understanding of the existing members' capabilities than anyone else. I would also suggest to owners transferring groups to give careful consideration to the skills of their existing members when making this choice. Being a little conservative in their selection may avoid problems for less experienced users and create fewer moderator problems.

Dano


moderated Re: Maximum image size default for groups transfer

 

J,

'Max Attachment Size' ='none'.
...
I think the above description of the setting is unclear.
...
So does it mean "no attachments allowed"? If so, then "0" or "no
attachments" seems more clear to me than "none."
I agree with you. Maybe combine your suggestions:

"0 (no attachments)"

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Maximum image size default for groups transfer

 

Mark,

... going through the code, this setting, along with Message
Selection and Auto Follow Replies is currently hardcoded when
transferring a Yahoo group, ignoring the Default Sub Settings.
I don't see any advantage to that.

Should we use the default sub settings when doing a Yahoo transfer?
I would say yes, on the principle that the group owner can change the Def Sub Settings before and after the transfer, if they want the setting to be different going forward.

There would only then be that (relatively) short time window when there's a chance of a new member joining (other than by transfer) and getting the "transfer" settings instead of the "joining" version.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Pricing increase

Dave Sergeant
 

Woodey Leonhard uses Patreon to support his site along with direct
donations. See:
https://www.askwoody.com/thanks-patrons/

You will see that not that many have taken up the Patreon option. As I
understand it it requires you to set up a regular monthly donation
rather than one-off donations. May suit some groups but I suspect it
would be the minority.

Dave

On 19 Apr 2017 at 17:49, JohnF via Groups.Io wrote:

I have no experience on either side of Patreon, so maybe it can, or
maybe it can't. Here's an intro page about it:

https://patreon.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204606315-What-is-Patreon-

Patreon is designed for people who make lots of videos or other
shareable online art and want to provide a way for their viewers to
sponsor them monthly, usually in return for some special perks for
people who sponsor them. I've been assuming that that could translate
into supporting a Group, but I don't really know for sure.

JohnF

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: Maximum image size default for groups transfer

 

Dano,

I understood this to be the same setting that an individual member
can change to their own preferences in Subscription> Membership>
Advanced Preferences> Max attachment size. Under that setting it
reads "Max size of attachments sent in emails.", but I believe it
should read "Max attachment size received by the individual member in
emails before converting to a link."
I believe your understanding is correct, but strictly speaking your proposed text is less correct that the original. Groups.io can only control what it sends to the member, it cannot control what the member receives (which in principle could be subject to limitations by their email service).

In the context of the member's Subscription page, which is all about what is sent to you (the member) I think the description could be improved by making that one as explicit as the others:

"Max size of attachments sent to you in emails."

And the corresponding clarification in the group's Default Sub Settings:

"Max size of attachments sent to the member in emails."

In both cases, a following sentence that clarifies the "or else" as you suggested would be welcome:

"For any attachment larger than this size a link to retrieve it will be provided instead."

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Maximum image size default for groups transfer

 

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:12 PM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:

That's an excellent observation, J, and one I pondered the wording of myself. As I recall their evolution, the "Max Attachment Size" in Settings > Default Sub Settings was the default size of attachments each individual member would accept. I understood this to be the same setting that an individual member can change to their own preferences in Subscription > Membership > Advanced Preferences > Max attachment size. Under that setting it reads "Max size of attachments sent in emails.", but I believe it should read "Max attachment size received by the individual member in emails before converting to a link."

In Admin > Settings > Settings under Messages is a setting called "Max Photo Size In Email" with the underlying note "Automatically resize photos that are larger than a specific size in emails." I *assume* this is a group global setting that resizes any incoming images to the group before they are sent out to all members.

Perhaps there is enough confusion about this that a little clarification of the descriptions would be helpful?

This is all correct (including the need to clarify the descriptions). It's currently:

Label: Max Attachment Size
Help text: Max size of attachments sent in emails.

What should it be changed to?

And Dano, going through the code, this setting, along with Message Selection and Auto Follow Replies is currently hardcoded when transferring a Yahoo group, ignoring the Default Sub Settings. I did this on purpose some time back and I don't actually remember why. Should we use the default sub settings when doing a Yahoo transfer? Also, send the name of the group to support and I will change everyone's max attachment size to 100kb.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Maximum image size default for groups transfer

 

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 08:12 pm, D R Stinson wrote:
the default size of attachments each individual member would accept.

I agree that the word "received" or "accepted" should be in there if that's what is meant. I was wondering if that was the intended meaning. 
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