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moderated Re: Sort Admin menu sub-items #suggestion

Mark Murphy
 

My suggestion is also about expectation. In choosing from a list of 13 separate actions, I believe most people expect the list to be ordered in some way: most recently used, most often used, alphabetical, by functional group, etc. Look at any commonly used multi-level menu UI such as Word or Excel, for examples.

I think we can disagree about how the list should be ordered. Alphabetical makes sense to me.


moderated Re: Sort Admin menu sub-items #suggestion

 

I was about to make that same point about unmoderated groups.


On Nov 1, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Christos G. Psarras <christos@...> wrote:

J,

Huh? Order of most frequent use by whom? The most common thing I do is check the activity log, which almost at the very bottom, also against its rightful place in the alphabet. It took me awhile to get used to that.
Yeah, not to mention that if one's group is unmoderated, the (first) Pending link is pretty-much useless.

I also would like to see some of the links rearranged, but not alphabetically though, usage-wise as Bruce suggested.  My fishy personal preference would be having these at the top: Activity, Pending, Members, Settings, Subgroups and Usage, then the rest, Invite, DirectAdd, Integrations, Aliases, Domains, Donations.

Cheers,
Christos

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moderated Re: Sort Admin menu sub-items #suggestion

Christos G. Psarras
 

J,

Huh? Order of most frequent use by whom? The most common thing I do is check the activity log, which almost at the very bottom, also against its rightful place in the alphabet. It took me awhile to get used to that.
Yeah, not to mention that if one's group is unmoderated, the (first) Pending link is pretty-much useless.

I also would like to see some of the links rearranged, but not alphabetically though, usage-wise as Bruce suggested.  My fishy personal preference would be having these at the top: Activity, Pending, Members, Settings, Subgroups and Usage, then the rest, Invite, DirectAdd, Integrations, Aliases, Domains, Donations.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated rename "Reason" column in Past Members to "History" or "Activity" #suggestion

 

The history column has disappeared from the Past Members list (not sure how long ago this happened) but it turns out that clicking on the Reason field, which is now a link, now takes you to the member's activity history.

What gives? This seems unintuitive. Maybe, since the change, the name of that column should be changed to "History," or "Activity,"even though the word displayed there is actually the "reason" (left, removed, or whatever)? The situation is very confusing and at minimum, if nothing changes, should be documented ("you can see the past member's Activity History by clicking on Reason"). I at first thought the history had entirely disappeared and at first banned a past member (temporarily), as I used to, just so I could see their history.
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moderated Re: ID to datatable #bug

Benoît Dumeaux
 

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 02:50 PM, Jim Wilson wrote:
One benefit is finding duplicates to remove the later entry.

You have edition update date. Maybe show creation date of the row could be more effective.


moderated Re: #suggestion Internationalisation in french ? #suggestion

Georg Klein
 

On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 02:07 PM, Axel wrote:
Hi,
I manage some groups at Yahoogroups but we need to find another plateform to host our mailing list. We need to find something with a french interface (some member are quit old and don't speak english).
Of course, we could translate the string into french.
I have a similar problem with german language: most of my members don't speak english. I am using empty hashtags for explanations, but it is not rally useful.


Regards
Georg Klein


moderated Re: Add a "select all" checkbox to Export Group Data screen #suggestion

Beth Weld
 

Every time I export my group with lots of subgroups I wish for this feature.  It would ensure that items don't get missed and make life easier.
Thanks
Beth


moderated Re: consider a "Like" to be a "follow" #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 09:59 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I love all of these ideas. Like!!!
Me, too. Although I never really use "following only," it seems to me that someone who does should be able to do this more readily via the web.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: consider a "Like" to be a "follow" #suggestion

 

Shal,
I love all of these ideas. Like!!!

On Oct 31, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

J,

Ok. Another idea: It could easily be a subscription option “auto-
follow Likes” just like “auto-follow replies.”
Or, how about a Follow button next to the Like button in the bottom bar under the message. Perhaps only showing when your Subscription is Following Only, otherwise in the More menu.

As well as in the More menu when in List view (Topics or Messages).

The text of the menu item, as well as the tool-tip of the button, should make it clear that the function is /Follow Topic/ - the same as using the link in an emailed message.

I've always believed that the Follow and Mute functionality deserves exposure in the groups' Messages pages, and not be hidden away just in that compendium place that I never visit.

Shal




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moderated Re: consider a "Like" to be a "follow" #suggestion

 

J,

Ok. Another idea: It could easily be a subscription option “auto-
follow Likes” just like “auto-follow replies.”
Or, how about a Follow button next to the Like button in the bottom bar under the message. Perhaps only showing when your Subscription is Following Only, otherwise in the More menu.

As well as in the More menu when in List view (Topics or Messages).

The text of the menu item, as well as the tool-tip of the button, should make it clear that the function is /Follow Topic/ - the same as using the link in an emailed message.

I've always believed that the Follow and Mute functionality deserves exposure in the groups' Messages pages, and not be hidden away just in that compendium place that I never visit.

Shal


moderated Re: consider a "Like" to be a "follow" #suggestion

 

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 06:45 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Liking and following are two separate things. I don't want GIO to conflate them.
I tried. ;)
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moderated Re: consider a "Like" to be a "follow" #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 09:38 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
You can Like via email.
Liking and following are two separate things. I don't want GIO to conflate them.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: consider a "Like" to be a "follow" #suggestion

 

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 06:35 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
I view the GIO web interface and my email client as entirely different media. Just because I liked something online doesn't mean I want to receive emails about it.
You can Like via email.
 
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moderated Re: consider a "Like" to be a "follow" #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 05:05 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
My point is that I always feel psychologically as if I've replied after Liking something, so in my mind I'm expecting to get further updates and always feel left in the dark when I discover that there have been replies and I haven't gotten them.
J -- This proposal does not seem intuitive to me. I view the GIO web interface and my email client as entirely different media. Just because I liked something online doesn't mean I want to receive emails about it.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: consider a "Like" to be a "follow" #suggestion

 

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 02:41 PM, Duane wrote:
You've already got all those functions, so why 'break' an existing one
I don't see that implementing either an "auto-follow Likes" advanced subscription option, or having the system treat Likes as follows, is superfluous or breaking anything. On the contrary. Currently, if a member is set to following-only and auto-follow replies, the only way they can follow topics they're interested in, or posts they agree with, is to make little comments like "I agree" instead of just clicking the Like button. Many groups have guidelines that include the exhortation NOT to post things like "I agree." That leaves group members interested in topics, and who are set to following-only, but who lack a substantive comment to make, in the lurch.
 
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moderated Re: consider a "Like" to be a "follow" #suggestion

 

Ok. Another  idea: It could easily be a subscription option “auto-follow Likes” just like “auto-follow replies.”


On Oct 31, 2020, at 2:41 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 03:59 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
If you're set to following-only, first-message-also in a group and you "Like" a post, I think that should be considered a follow.
FWIW, I don't.  You've already got all those functions, so why 'break' an existing one?

Duane

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moderated Re: consider a "Like" to be a "follow" #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 03:59 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
If you're set to following-only, first-message-also in a group and you "Like" a post, I think that should be considered a follow.
FWIW, I don't.  You've already got all those functions, so why 'break' an existing one?

Duane


moderated Re: consider a "Like" to be a "follow" #suggestion

 

I should have conditioned this on also being "auto-follow replies." My point is that I always feel psychologically as if I've replied after Liking something, so in my mind I'm expecting to get further updates and always feel left in the dark when I discover that there have been replies and I haven't gotten them.
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moderated consider a "Like" to be a "follow" #suggestion

 

It's possible I made this suggestion in the past - I have a vague memory of it but nothing happened. I would like to see this hashed out here, and if most agree, would urge Mark to implement it.

If you're set to following-only, first-message-also in a group and you "Like" a post, I think that should be considered a follow. It's not, and in consequence, you can Like a post, assume you're getting further messages from it (because you expressed your opinion about it, and you "did something" to it), but you don't. It is then a surprise when you don't receive any subsequent messages and come back to the site to see that you've actually missed the whole thing.
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moderated Re: Sort Admin menu sub-items #suggestion

 

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 11:11 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
seems to be in order of most frequent use.
Huh? Order of most frequent use by whom? The most common thing I do is check the activity log, which almost at the very bottom, also against its rightful place in the alphabet. It took me awhile to get used to that.
 
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