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moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

Anthony Angelo
 

This is happening continually. Just got members back in to have them in bounce status again just minutes ago.
moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

J_Catlady
 

Right. I am now bouncing and having to unbounce myself literally every 30 seconds or less.
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moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

Drew
 

Our group just reported 350 gmail addresses bouncing shortly after 4PM EST (2000 UTC), and more since at a steady stream.

Whatever remedy there is for group owners we are not going to be able to individually unbounce subscribers. There are just too many for point & click remedies to be of any use to us.

Drew

On 12/15/20 16:29, J_Catlady wrote:
We know it's a gmail issue and yes, it's now happening anew in my group today.
And I agree that there should be a way to unbounce people instead of making them do it themselves.
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 1:10 PM Andy <AI.egrps+io@gmail.com <mailto:AI.egrps%2Bio@gmail.com>> wrote:
This problem (with Gmail) has indeed returned again today.  I am
seeing it here right now.  For me, it started within the last 2 hours.
I forward some messages from my Gmail account to another Gmail
account under my control, and they are not getting through.  Instead
I get a "bounce" message (from Google to me) claiming that the other
account doesn't exist, even though I am also logged into it!
This illustrates the problem is unrelated to Groups.io, it's coming
from Gmail (Google).
However, the methods of rectifying one's "bouncing" status with
their Groups.io accounts, is a question.  There ought to be a way
for Owners/Moderators to unbounce members -- like we could do in
Yahoo!Groups.  If the "you're bouncing" message goes through, then
Groups.io probably should automatically unbounce that account.
Andy
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moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

J_Catlady
 

Actually it's so bad now that I had to unbounce myself multiple times just now. Which makes sense since gmails continue to not reach me, so the more there are, the more times I'll have to unbounce. I expect to have to do it again in a few minutes.
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moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

J_Catlady
 

In fact, to get to the site just now I had to unbounce myself. It seems to be getting worse.
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moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

J_Catlady
 

We know it's a gmail issue and yes, it's now happening anew in my group today.
And I agree that there should be a way to unbounce people instead of making them do it themselves.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 1:10 PM Andy <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:
This problem (with Gmail) has indeed returned again today.  I am seeing it here right now.  For me, it started within the last 2 hours.

I forward some messages from my Gmail account to another Gmail account under my control, and they are not getting through.  Instead I get a "bounce" message (from Google to me) claiming that the other account doesn't exist, even though I am also logged into it!

This illustrates the problem is unrelated to Groups.io, it's coming from Gmail (Google).

However, the methods of rectifying one's "bouncing" status with their Groups.io accounts, is a question.  There ought to be a way for Owners/Moderators to unbounce members -- like we could do in Yahoo!Groups.  If the "you're bouncing" message goes through, then Groups.io probably should automatically unbounce that account.

Andy


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moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

Andy
 

This problem (with Gmail) has indeed returned again today.  I am seeing it here right now.  For me, it started within the last 2 hours.

I forward some messages from my Gmail account to another Gmail account under my control, and they are not getting through.  Instead I get a "bounce" message (from Google to me) claiming that the other account doesn't exist, even though I am also logged into it!

This illustrates the problem is unrelated to Groups.io, it's coming from Gmail (Google).

However, the methods of rectifying one's "bouncing" status with their Groups.io accounts, is a question.  There ought to be a way for Owners/Moderators to unbounce members -- like we could do in Yahoo!Groups.  If the "you're bouncing" message goes through, then Groups.io probably should automatically unbounce that account.

Andy
moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

J_Catlady
 

Mark,

To clarify, by "nothing to do with gmail" I meant that the bounce message is, or may be, as in my group's case, simply coming from a groups.io moderator attempting to get the member to unbounce by clicking on the link. The member's email (gmail) may be, as in the case of all of my gmail members, now working fine bt the bouncing status may be simply a remnant of yesterday's outage that just needs to be flipped.

I was unaware that Google still hasn't fixed this, but in the case of my group at least, members have unbounced and are now receiving emails. They all received a "you are bouncing" message this morning only because I sent it to them.
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moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

Mark Fletcher
 

Hi All,

Like I said, it's an issue with Gmail, not us. Other email services are still reporting seeing this, so it appears that Google hasn't quite fixed things yet.

Mark
moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

lloyd lehrer
 

Google itself was down yesterday twice. That was probably the issue.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 11:13 PM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Dave,

 > Do I take it from your timings that there was a
 > second outage much later in the day?

It looks like that to me.

First thing in the morning Pacific (UTC-0800) I found that the copy of
Thunderbird I'd left running overnight was no longer authorized to
access my Gmail accounts. My receipt of messages from Groups.io via
those accounts was not interrupted at that time.

In the mid-afternoon my more active Gmail address went on Bouncing
status and I missed the receipt of several messages in both GMF and
Beta. I also missed the Bounce Probe (that I assume was attempted) and
only discovered my bouncing status because I visited the web site.

In GMF's Activity log the bouncing of Gmail accounts began around 2:45
pm Pacific and continued until about 3:41 pm.

The possible connection between the two events is that the bounce reason
was "The email account that you tried to reach does not exist". Not
exactly an authentication issue (inbound rather than outbound), but
still related to my Gmail account identity.

Shal
moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

John Pearce
 

I think it's too bad that moderators can not unbounce someone when you know it was temporary.  If you send a new bounce probe and it is received then we should be able to unbounce them.

John P
moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

Nimer Jaber
 

It certainly seems to be impacting primarily Gmail users. I run a list of nearly 1,400 members, and 259 were suddenly bouncing, almost all, if not all with Gmail addresses, and all within the last day or so, and I was one of those users suddenly bouncing. I am sure this had to do with the outage yesterday, as soon as Groups.io was unable to deliver messages, it put those email addresses in a bouncing state. So I would attribute this to the Gmail outage, but if I'm wrong please correct me.

Thanks.


On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:06 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 08:59 AM, Tom Biggs GFCA wrote:
Still bouncing today.  I received a message less than 30 minutes ago that I was bouncing
That has nothing to do with gmail. AFAIK google/gmail is back up. That was a message from groups.io. You will not receive group messages until you yourself "unbounce" your account (set it to non-bouncing status), either via the link you were sent or by going to the site and unbouncing.
 
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moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

J_Catlady
 

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 09:01 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Based on a message from a moderator of a forum I manage: the bounce probe should include a link to unbounce yourself
That is the whole point of the message.
 
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moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

J_Catlady
 

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 08:59 AM, Tom Biggs GFCA wrote:
Still bouncing today.  I received a message less than 30 minutes ago that I was bouncing
That has nothing to do with gmail. AFAIK google/gmail is back up. That was a message from groups.io. You will not receive group messages until you yourself "unbounce" your account (set it to non-bouncing status), either via the link you were sent or by going to the site and unbouncing.
 
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moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Based on a message from a moderator of a forum I manage: the bounce probe should include a link to unbounce yourself (to verify that you got the message). According to Groups.IO owner’s manual, owners can’t do that – they can only send direct messages and bounce probes to affect3ed members, among other actions.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Biggs GFCA
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 8:59 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

 

Still bouncing today.  I received a message less than 30 minutes ago that I was bouncing, albeit a message from this group, so gmail does not seem to have corrected the situation.  Could this be bigger?  I also had to re-authorize a comcast e-mail account from my cell phone yesterday for no apparent reason.
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GFCA

moderated Re: SORBS Spam has groups.io blacklisted again #misc

Mark Fletcher
 

Hi All,

Following up on this, as the SORBS site is finally back up and I was able to figure out what happened. The listing was the result of 3 groups moving from Yahoo to us. Two of the groups sent invites to email addresses that turned out to be SORBs honeypot addresses. The third group did a direct add of an SORBs honeypot address. In all cases, the email addresses had been members of their Yahoo groups. I don't know if the addresses were bouncing at Yahoo or not.

I've requested that SORBs delist us. I've also ensured that we will not send email to these addresses (and others like them) again.

Thanks,
Mark
moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

Tom Biggs GFCA
 

Still bouncing today.  I received a message less than 30 minutes ago that I was bouncing, albeit a message from this group, so gmail does not seem to have corrected the situation.  Could this be bigger?  I also had to re-authorize a comcast e-mail account from my cell phone yesterday for no apparent reason.
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moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

J_Catlady
 

Thanks, Shal.
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moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

Shal Farley
 

J,

Can someone please tell me the title of the bounce probe message, so I
can alert people what to look for?
Subject: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/10614

That example was collected over a year and a half ago, so there may have been changes since. I didn't collect a fresh example because, for whatever reason, I didn't receive a bounce probe - I learned my account was in Bouncing status when I went to the web site.

Depending on how promptly the first Bounce Probe is sent, it may also bounce, which is what I believe happened to mine (it did not go into Spam, Trash, or other Gmail folders).

I would not be surprised if so many bounce probes are going out that
they're now being judged as spam and going into spam folders.
Seems possible. Fortunately (?) this incident affected Gmail users, and Gmail tends to be better about discerning spam versus ham than most.

Shal
moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

J_Catlady
 

p.s. The members are responding offlist that they can't find the bounce probes in any folder whatsoever, even though I resent them all a few minutes ago. But one member went to the site and saw the "unbounce" banner and fixed it. So I'll at least let the others know about that.
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