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moderated Re: could invitation text be moved

Andre Polykanine <andre@...>
 

Victoria,
In the case of blind users that just doesn't work.
I dare speak for the blind because I know quite a lot of blind-related
groups are transfered to Groups.io and new groups are created here.
That's because e-mail is still a very comfortable way of communication
for us, and Groups.io web interface is really accessible and usable
(thanks Mark!).
So, two horizontal lines just don't work because a screen reader would
interpret the text line by line. And there are lots of people who not
only don't speak English, but are afraid of some message in a foreign
language coming first. Such people tend to delete those e-mails as
spam without even reading them.



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------------ Original message ------------
From: Victoria <dr.vcaesar@netcologne.de>
To: main@beta.groups.io
Date created: , 1:22:00 AM
Subject: [beta] could invitation text be moved


Marina, Kevin,

Shal suggested to put the other language message inside two horizontal lines. Of course, this would make it less confusing.

But of course it would be helpful if members from non English-speaking countries could be invited in their own language without a boilerplate or English texts above or below.

I have no idea how big a job it would be to just inactivate this fixed invite text so each owner can write his own?

Victoria
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Marina wrote: I would go a step further.

I think that having the possibility to address the invitee in his/her own language would reduce the risk of people marking the message as spam.
Why can't the message be *fully* customizable?
I am afraid that putting a text in German (or in Italian or whatever) in the middle of or above or below the text in English would make people even more confused.

I can understand that localization is not a priority now, but maybe we can start from this feature and give foreign group owners the possibility to invite members in their own language?

Thank you for your attention.
Marina


moderated Re: Phishing warnings

Carol Good
 

And yet bizarrely, I'm using Norton on 2 different computers - one with Chrome and the other IE11 - and neither is giving me any warnings or blocking me at all. Granted, I do have some of the more irritating of Norton's 'features' turned off, but even going directly to the message which is apparently causing the problem, I'm still not getting any warning.

Carol


moderated could invitation text be moved

 

Marina, Kevin,

Shal suggested to put the other language message inside two horizontal lines. Of course, this would make it less confusing.

But of course it would be helpful if members from non English-speaking countries could be invited in their own language without a boilerplate or English texts above or below.

I have no idea how big a job it would be to just inactivate this fixed invite text so each owner can write his own?

Victoria
----
Marina wrote: I would go a step further.

I think that having the possibility to address the invitee in his/her own language would reduce the risk of people marking the message as spam.
Why can't the message be *fully* customizable?
I am afraid that putting a text in German (or in Italian or whatever) in the middle of or above or below the text in English would make people even more confused.

I can understand that localization is not a priority now, but maybe we can start from this feature and give foreign group owners the possibility to invite members in their own language?

Thank you for your attention.
Marina


moderated Re: Phishing warnings

Ginny T.
 

One of my users reported being blocked through Norton as well...
Gin
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moderated Re: Phishing warnings

 

Hi All,

I just got a response email from Microsoft saying that the review process typically takes 24 hours.

Sorry about this. I'll keep you posted.

Mark

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:08 PM, LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@...> wrote:
At the risk of piping up where I know nothing (Please delete if this is dumb info):
One of our Mods just logged in using Firefox - no warning/block. So I opened my Firefox and typed in the addy to this thread.  Was only able to view with Firefox but have never used Firefox for anything groups.io related before.  (Downloaded it just yesterday to help member get groups.io signature posted with pictures she understood)

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moderated Re: Phishing warnings

LeeAnne
 

At the risk of piping up where I know nothing (Please delete if this is dumb info):
One of our Mods just logged in using Firefox - no warning/block. So I opened my Firefox and typed in the addy to this thread.  Was only able to view with Firefox but have never used Firefox for anything groups.io related before.  (Downloaded it just yesterday to help member get groups.io signature posted with pictures she understood)

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-LeeAnne

ECIR Archivist


moderated Re: Phishing warnings

 

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Maybe the fact that the cited message explicitly contained a "password" triggered the report. You've inadvertently joined the dark web...

My mom will be very disappointed.


I downloaded an Edge VM and got the warning, and went through the steps to report a mistake/represent myself as the site owner.

I also went to the Avast false positive reporting site and reported us there as well.

So, I guess now we wait? Not sure where else I should complain to.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Phishing warnings

 

Mark,

Maybe the fact that the cited message explicitly contained a "password" triggered the report. You've inadvertently joined the dark web...

I'd hate to suspect a smear campaign, but the tone of some of the warnings I've read...

Well that kind of bums me out.

In keeping with Hanlon's razor a perhaps more likely scenario is that a transferred group (or groups) didn't bother to warn their membership before the move.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Then hapless members receive this out-of-the-blue notice that they've been added to something that sounds vaguely like something they've been a part of. Some fraction of those people panic and assume it is some form of 'hacking" at work.

Of course, even if the group owners did try to inform them beforehand, some members may not have received or paid attention to the notice.

Shal


moderated Re: Phishing warnings

Sarah k Alawami
 

I believe I got that as well, or somethingn like it when loged in with safari. I heard "infection detected." or something like that.  I cant' remember the  exact warding, but just letting you all know I also got somethingn similar as well.

Take care all.

On Feb 23, 2018, at 1:57 PM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:

Mark -
When I log in with Firefox, I get pretty much what Shal describes. AVG gives me this warning:

We've safely aborted connection on www.groups.io because it was infected with URL:Mal .
More threats may be lurking!
Threat name   URL:Mal
Severity          1 of 3
URL               http:www.groups.io
Process          C:\Program Files (X86)\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe
Detected by    Web Shield
Status            Connection aborted

Interestingly, when I log in with Epic Privacy Browser I don't get any problems.

Dano

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
Reply-To: <main@beta.groups.io>
To: <main@beta.groups.io>
Sent: 2/23/2018 2:20:50 PM
Subject: [beta] Phishing warnings

[moving this to a separate thread]

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 1:14 PM, LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@...> wrote: 
Think my last message got lost. 
Not sure if this has anything to do with this thread but mods and members are getting blocked by dangerous site  and malewar warnings when trying to access groups.io.

I've gotten one other support email about this. I don't know why this would happen, as nothing's changed except for the downtime this morning.

Any additional information you can get me (what the warning say specifically, any URLs, etc) would be of great help.

Thanks,
Mark




moderated Re: could invitation text be moved

Andre Polykanine <andre@...>
 

Kevin, Victoria,
I join you here. And I'll once more try to explain that all custom
text (not only the invitation, but also message footers) should go
*before* the built-in stuff. Thus we will make users' life with no or
limited English much easier.


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Andre
Skype: menelion_elensule
Twitter: @m_elensule; Facebook: menelion

------------ Original message ------------
From: Kevin Conod via Groups.Io <kdconod=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: main@beta.groups.io
Date created: , 4:53:32 PM
Subject: [beta] could invitation text be moved


I second that - not just in Victoria's situation but I would rather my own message come first before the boilerplate info.


moderated Re: Phishing warnings

 

Today, in the further education of Mark... My findings so far:

https://sitecheck.sucuri.net/results/groups.io/ shows that Norton is blacklisting us. If you go through their site, the URL that they say is causing problems is this page: https://groups.io/g/OHRegionB/message/1538 (don't worry, it really is safe to click on).

I have gone through the site ownership procedure and claimed Groups.io and have initiated a dispute. We'll see if that helps.


On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Already did.  ;-)   It has a selector for whether I'm "just saying" or I'm the site owner. I didn't take the latter path, but perhaps you should arrange to do so.

I think that's my next step.

 
I'd hate to suspect a smear campaign, but the tone of some of the warnings I've read...

Well that kind of bums me out.

Continuing to try to figure this out....

Mark 


moderated Re: Phishing warnings

 

Mark,

I don't have an edge browser set up at the moment. Can you go through the 'Report that this site does not contain threats' process?

Already did.  ;-)   It has a selector for whether I'm "just saying" or I'm the site owner. I didn't take the latter path, but perhaps you should arrange to do so.

I am baffled. I did a lot of Y! Group transfers over the past two days, working through the backlog. Maybe that was it?

Maybe. In GMF it was reported that top known posterid has leapt from 700K to 1.6 M in just a couple days. That's a lot of newbies.

I'd hate to suspect a smear campaign, but the tone of some of the warnings I've read...

Shal


moderated Re: Phishing warnings

 

Hi,

Follow-up: I have reported the website as “safe” via the feedback tool.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:50 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Phishing warnings

 

 

Shal,

 

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

 

I get a nice green padlock (Verified by: Gandi) from Firefox, but Edge thinks it is unsafe:

Inline image 2

 

Never seen that before with Groups.io from Edge, but it has been at least a couple days since I tried it.

I don't have an edge browser set up at the moment. Can you go through the 'Report that this site does not contain threats' process?

 

 

I wonder "reported" by whom? Possibly confused or disgruntled transferees from a Yahoo Group? There have been mentions of distrust in the Y!Groups moderator groups.

 

I am baffled. I did a lot of Y! Group transfers over the past two days, working through the backlog. Maybe that was it?

 

If I go https://www.virustotal.com/#/home/url and input groups.io, I get a phishing warning from a place called PhishLabs, which I've never heard of.

 

Hmmm. What a day.

 

Thanks,

Mark 


moderated Re: Phishing warnings

 

Hi,

Confirmed – tested with Edge on latest Windows 10 prerelease build.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:50 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Phishing warnings

 

 

Shal,

 

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

 

I get a nice green padlock (Verified by: Gandi) from Firefox, but Edge thinks it is unsafe:

Inline image 2

 

Never seen that before with Groups.io from Edge, but it has been at least a couple days since I tried it.

I don't have an edge browser set up at the moment. Can you go through the 'Report that this site does not contain threats' process?

 

 

I wonder "reported" by whom? Possibly confused or disgruntled transferees from a Yahoo Group? There have been mentions of distrust in the Y!Groups moderator groups.

 

I am baffled. I did a lot of Y! Group transfers over the past two days, working through the backlog. Maybe that was it?

 

If I go https://www.virustotal.com/#/home/url and input groups.io, I get a phishing warning from a place called PhishLabs, which I've never heard of.

 

Hmmm. What a day.

 

Thanks,

Mark 


moderated Re: Phishing warnings

 

Mark -
When I log in with Firefox, I get pretty much what Shal describes. AVG gives me this warning:

We've safely aborted connection on www.groups.io because it was infected with URL:Mal .
More threats may be lurking!
Threat name URL:Mal
Severity 1 of 3
URL http:www.groups.io
Process C:\Program Files (X86)\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe
Detected by Web Shield
Status Connection aborted

Interestingly, when I log in with Epic Privacy Browser I don't get any problems.

Dano

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
Reply-To: <main@beta.groups.io>
To: <main@beta.groups.io>
Sent: 2/23/2018 2:20:50 PM
Subject: [beta] Phishing warnings

[moving this to a separate thread]

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 1:14 PM, LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@gmail.com> wrote:
Think my last message got lost.
Not sure if this has anything to do with this thread but mods and members are getting blocked by dangerous site and malewar warnings when trying to access groups.io.

I've gotten one other support email about this. I don't know why this would happen, as nothing's changed except for the downtime this morning.

Any additional information you can get me (what the warning say specifically, any URLs, etc) would be of great help.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Phishing warnings

Nina Eppes
 

Hello. I’m also experiencing the blocking/malware warning situation, using Firefox on Windows 10. I can’t get to groups.io currently. I run Avast Free Antivirus. Here are some screenshots, in the order they appeared, from when I tried to go to https://groups.io a moment ago (I did click “I trust this website” in the first Warning message):

 

 

 

 

I get “site can’t be reached” messages from Chrome and Edge (but maybe it’s being worked on now?).

 

I can get to Groups.io in Chrome on my Android phone.

 

- Nina

 


Phishing warnings
From: Mark Fletcher
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:20:53 EST

[moving this to a separate thread]

 

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 1:14 PM, LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@...> wrote:

 

Think my last message got lost. 
Not sure if this has anything to do with this thread but mods and members are getting blocked by dangerous site
  and malewar warnings when trying to access groups.io.

 

I've gotten one other support email about this. I don't know why this would happen, as nothing's changed except for the downtime this morning.

 

Any additional information you can get me (what the warning say specifically, any URLs, etc) would be of great help.

 

Thanks,

Mark


moderated Re: Phishing warnings

 


Shal,

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

I get a nice green padlock (Verified by: Gandi) from Firefox, but Edge thinks it is unsafe:

Inline image 2


Never seen that before with Groups.io from Edge, but it has been at least a couple days since I tried it.

I don't have an edge browser set up at the moment. Can you go through the 'Report that this site does not contain threats' process?

 
I wonder "reported" by whom? Possibly confused or disgruntled transferees from a Yahoo Group? There have been mentions of distrust in the Y!Groups moderator groups.

I am baffled. I did a lot of Y! Group transfers over the past two days, working through the backlog. Maybe that was it?

If I go https://www.virustotal.com/#/home/url and input groups.io, I get a phishing warning from a place called PhishLabs, which I've never heard of.

Hmmm. What a day.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Phishing warnings

Douglas Swearingen
 

I just logged out and back in with Firefox. Neither time did I get a warning of any type.

Doug


moderated Re: Phishing warnings

 

Mark,

Any additional information you can get me (what the warning say specifically, any URLs, etc) would be of great help.
 
And this, a report from AVG claiming an infection with URL:Mal - whatever that is.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/5053

Shal


moderated Re: Phishing warnings

LeeAnne
 

My groups.io stuff is still working - was on it all day and never closed it.
Mods and members can't get on the site. 
From one mod:



From another:
I can’t access the group at all right now as my security software has suddenly blocked Groups i.o. as a known malicious site.


Also the member who can't access says all links to groups.io bring up warnings from Outlook about maleware (even the old digests) 

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