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moderated Re: Database export as CSV #suggestion

 

Toby,

Suggest that the button generate a file with a .csv extension and send that with the headers as a download so that users get a file they can open in a spreadsheet program easily.

I prefer it as it is. Usually I copy/paste it into Excel
  o In the browser window select all then copy (Ctrl+A, Ctrl+C)
  o In the Excel window paste (Ctrl+V)

Being forced to download and open a .csv file seems like more steps to me. If I want to save the .csv file instead of copy/paste it is simple to use the browser's Save As command to write the window to a file.

Shal


moderated Feature request -- Set or keep the message display option preferred by the user #suggestion

Al Ludwick / NN4ZZ
 

Background:  When moving among forums the MESSAGE or TOPIC display preference is maintained.  See snapshot.  However when moving from the overview page to a group it is RESET to TOPICs.

Request:  Provide a method to maintain the user preference in all cases.

Regards,  Al / NN4ZZ  
al (at) nn4zz (dot) com



moderated Database export as CSV #suggestion

Toby Kraft
 

This has been discussed in older threads but the current Export button just displays the data in CSV format in the browser.
Suggest that the button generate a file with a .csv extension and send that with the headers as a download so that users get a file they can open in a spreadsheet program easily.
Thanks
Toby
PS - checked trello and did not see an item related to this.  


moderated Re: Trimming long threads

Bruce Bowman
 

In Y!G, I found myself resigned to dealing with all kinds of CSS and other markup stuff in quoted text. Now that was REALLY annoying. Not seeing that in GIO. I'm not sure what Mark has done to eliminate that, but it's really appreciated on my end.

Bruce


moderated order of sending welcome message and group guidelines #suggestion

 

There seem to be some anomalies between the relative chronologies of member confirmation, sending of the Welcome Notice, and sending of the Group Guidelines (if set to be sent on join).

I have already emailed Mark at support about a frequent situation wherein group moderators are not informed of an application for membership in a restricted group until AFTER the requesting member has confirmed. (Person requests membership, receives confirmation email but not Pending Subscription notice, moderators are not informed. Only AFTER the person confirms is the Pending Subscription notice sent out and the group mods informed that there is a pending member request.) I am now writing to suggest that the Group Guidelines not be sent until after a member is confirmed - which essentially seems to be the opposite situation. Here is what happens, or happened:

Person requests membership, receives Pending Subscription Notice, returns the questionnaire within the notice, and has their membership approved.
Person is still unconfirmed, BUT is showing in their email delivery history that they received the Group Guidelines.

Since we are a premium group, we were able to confirm the member without the process of re-sending the confirmation email. However, this chronology says to me that the person received the Guidelines before they were confirmed. And that, in turn, implies (as I understand it) that they received the Guidelines before receiving the Welcome Notice. This is not good. I want to suggest that the Guidelines not be sent until the person is a bona fide member of the group and has received the Welcome notice.

More generally, I think that the process, the events in it and their relative chronologies, needs to be analyzed and possibly revamped overall.
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Suggestion for easier usage

 

On 15 Mar 2018 at 7:50, Dale Gloer wrote:

When I select a topic and am finsihed reading it I usually want to return to the
list of topics in the group.  If the topic is many screens long, that means
that I have to scroll back to the top of the topic text so I can select the
button that returns me to the list of topics.  It would be very convenient if
that button was also placed at teh end of the topic page thus avoiding have to
scroll to the top to find it.  Or have I missed something?

Dale Gloer
In most browsers you can jump to the top of the page by pressing the "Home" key
while holding down the "Ctrl" key.

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moderated Re: Suggestion for easier usage

Tom H
 

For keyboard users, the Home button should jump the page to the top.


moderated Re: Suggestion for easier usage

Dale Gloer <dale.gloer@...>
 

Thanks Gerald, Duane and toby - three suggestions that I never thought of.  Some days the brain is foggy I guess.

Dale


moderated Re: Trimming long threads

Marv Waschke
 

I used to fret over each email recapitulating the thread from the beginning of time, but with storage measured in yottabytes and multi-gigabit networks, I don't get so worked up about it anymore. The groups.io compromise concentrates on usability rather resource conservation, which is practical for 2018.
Best, Marv


moderated Re: Suggestion for easier usage

Toby Kraft
 

There is also a button on the bottom right corner to return to the Top of the page.


moderated Re: Suggestion for easier usage

Duane
 

I usually read online, so use the browser Back button to return to the Topic list.

Duane


moderated Re: Suggestion for easier usage

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

I don't see this problem as I leave my Topic sort order with the newest on the top. I only go down as far as the last messages I haven't already read and read my way back to the newest at the top, which conveniently, is where the back to Topics button is.

--
Gerald


moderated Suggestion for easier usage

Dale Gloer <dale.gloer@...>
 

When I select a topic and am finsihed reading it I usually want to return to the list of topics in the group.  If the topic is many screens long, that means that I have to scroll back to the top of the topic text so I can select the button that returns me to the list of topics.  It would be very convenient if that button was also placed at teh end of the topic page thus avoiding have to scroll to the top to find it.  Or have I missed something?

Dale Gloer


moderated Re: Trimming long threads

Arno Martens
 

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 04:04 am, ro-esp wrote:
But then I like the "old-fashioned" clarity of the http://www.learn.to/quote style (interspersing) , and think top-posting (TOFU) should be banned....
Firefox doesn't like that link but you just pointed out the difficulty with arbitrarily deleting particular length..

Guess there are not many of we nostalgic people left who only top quoted after trimming everything not essential to the reply.
Arno


moderated Re: Trimming long threads

ro-esp
 

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 02:17 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
There was a lot of discussion here in beta, way back when, about
auto-trimming of bottom quote tails. That led to the current handling:

- hidden under a button when viewed in the group's Messages pages,
- trimmed entirely from digests, but
- left intact in individual messages.
Back then I said I would prefer to have it (=everything under the last unindented line) trimmed from individual messages too.
But then I like the "old-fashioned" clarity of the http://www.learn.to/quote style (interspersing) , and think top-posting (TOFU) should be banned....

groetjes, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Trimming long threads

 

Martyn,

Is it possible (or could it be made possible) to provide an optional group facility to admins that will automatically trim all replies to, say the first five lines?

There was a lot of discussion here in beta, way back when, about auto-trimming of bottom quote tails. That led to the current handling:
  • hidden under a button when viewed in the group's Messages pages,
  • trimmed entirely from digests, but
  • left intact in individual messages.

I don't recall if trimming to a particular length (characters or lines) was ever discussed, but could be a useful compromise between no context and arbitrary long trailing quotes. If the count is to be in lines one will have to decide what a "line" is - in email paragraphs are often allowed word-wrap to whatever the recipient's current display width is.
 
I have in the past tried trimming posts manually in moderated, but frankly, life is really too short!
 
I feel your pain.

Shal


moderated Trimming long threads

 

One problem with forum and group posts (Yahoo as well as groups.io) is the reluctance of posters replying to a post to delete or at least trim the original. Further replies are often the same, leading to much more data traffic than needed, and some difficulty in following threads consecutively. Is it possible (or could it be made possible) to provide an optional group facility to admins that will automatically trim all replies to, say the first five lines?

I have in the past tried trimming posts manually in moderated, but frankly, life is really too short!

Just a thought...
Martyn
 


moderated Re: FTP interface to Files, Photos? #suggestion

Tom H
 

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 01:54 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
an unscrupulous group owner leveraging Groups.io as generic web file storage - for free.
Is that not possible now? Regardless,  how would FTP  make it worse?


moderated Re: FTP interface to Files, Photos? #suggestion

Mark Irving
 

I like the idea of FTP access to Files and Photos. A speed limit could be applied to uploads and downloads, such as a 10 files/minute maximum, and it would still be a valuable additional management tool in addition to the current individual-files-only user interface.

It might be a good idea to add a sentence to the group owners' terms and conditions, to make it clear that misuse of Groups.io as a file server for things not related to the group and to being a mailing list is not welcome. Rewrite that a little less politely and provide some sort of enforcement, perhaps.

Mark


moderated Re: Filename sort order is odd

Tom H
 

alphabetization has become largely irrelevant in the retrieval of search result lists of library holdings for decades
Your example of the list of types of search results belies your conclusion from a tangential argument. Alphabetically sorted lists are essential to and are the foundation of information management. The sorting algorithm for human use should be easily recognized. This one in G.io is not.

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