On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 06:14 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

and that's why I'm asking Mark

...what the algorithm is. If it's just Elastisearch, then that implies there's nothing about group population, creation date, last activity date, etc. And that seems wrong.
 
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Thanks but I still don't understand the example. Hopefully Mark will explain. It seems that my group is appearing lower and lower in the ordering (and is now on page 2) for groups containing the word "feline," despite having more activity than some others appearing closer to the top, more members, etc. It seemed to me for awhile that maybe the newer groups are displaying first despite less activity (etc) but that does not seem to be the case, either. It seemed that maybe groups with the word "feline" appearing in the title, rather than in just the description, are displaying first, but that also does not seem to be the case. I cannot discern any criterion and that's why I'm asking Mark.
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On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 07:53 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

No comprendo. What’s the search term in that?

It was a hypothetical example.  If all of the group descriptions contained the word FUN, and those were the only groups that did, that's the order they'd show up, top to bottom.  It would include the other information normally found with a group listing.  The results page shows as Publicly Listed Groups (by Name).  For an actual example, use the word GIFT (upper or lower case is fine.)  The sort order is probably a function of the way Elasticsearch finds things.

Duane

Duane,

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On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:20 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

In "Find or Create a Group," if you enter a search term, what is the algorithm for the display order? I can't discern any pattern.

I believe the default is descending lower case, followed by descending upper case, according to group name.  For example:
water
balloon
Water
Balloon

Duane

Mark,
In "Find or Create a Group," if you enter a search term, what is the algorithm for the display order? I can't discern any pattern. Thanks.
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On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 05:24 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:

Or perhaps a prompt to confirm the Discard like we see on so many other Groups.io actions.

This would work for me, too...and already exists for bulk deletion of drafts from the Drafts tab.

Bruce

On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:02 AM, Terry Slattery wrote:

If Display Name is not set, would the member not appear in the Directory?

It is currently possible to share your profile without populating Display Name. I am proposing a change to eliminate that, forcing the person to populate it before sharing the profile with others.

If that's the case, what name would be displayed in a posting by that member?

The current mechanism uses the email frag as a proxy for the Display Name for some functions...

Correct.

If Display Name is not populated, a posting (or Directory entry) is tagged with that person's system-wide @Username, if they have one. If they have neither a group Display Name nor a system-wide @Username, the post is labeled with the obfuscated email address myaddress@....

Forcing a person to populate Display Name before sharing their profile would eliminate your searching concerns...other subscribers can then search on the Display Name without having to know anything about that person's email address. It would also help to address concerns expressed by others about the security of displaying the fragmentary email address.

Regards,
Bruce

An "Are you sure?" gate protects against fat brains as well as fat fingers, which is a bigger problem for me than fat fingers.  Best, Marv

If Display Name is not set, would the member not appear in the Directory? If that's the case, what name would be displayed in a posting by that member?

The current mechanism uses the email frag as a proxy for the Display Name for some functions, like the name in a posting and in the Directory if manually searched. It came up because I was going to recommend that Member1 search for Member2 to send a private email instead of asking on the list. Member2 only had an email frag for the Display Name, which wouldn't match in a search, but could be found by manually paging through the Directory. Thus, the email frag is not truly hidden, creating inconsistency and false security for anyone who thought that not setting a Display Name would keep them hidden.

Adding a line space or two at end of each individual email message as it goes out, before footer.
Will make it easier to read message.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 04:21 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

It would be nice if the Discard button was on the opposite side of the page instead of immediately adjacent to Send.

Or perhaps a prompt to confirm the Discard like we see on so many other Groups.io actions.

Andy

Lol, yeah; even if I'm a dog person, I do talk like a cat sometimes.

Thanks for fixing this Mark!

Haha! You mean as in "9 lves," or the Cheshire Cat? ;)
I honestly don't remember what was in there. There may have been photos. It was eons ago.
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J,

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 11:29 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

Our group used to have a Cats database and we eventually got rid of it.

That's what you get for having(had) a cat db, you have to try several times to delete it before it actually does.

But seriously, were there originally any images or similar external file uploaded in any of those db fields?  If yes, that could explain it, the db deletion process cleaned everything but not the "embedded" (linked) images, probably stored at the same place uploaded wiki images go to, and this is a bug after all.  (I presume one can have (embedded/linked) images in the db fields, I admit I haven't looked at the Database functionality a lot as we are not using it in our groups)

Cheers,
Christos

The [partial] email address is displayed to other members in the Directory only if the Display Name field is unpopulated.

It would make sense to me to force people to put something in Display Name before they can share their group profile. This will provide something to search on, and if they want to remain anonymous they can still put Captain Beefheart or Howdy Doody or something like that in there.

Just a thought,
Bruce

I agree that the email address should not be visible.

However, it seems that search should match the fragment that's displayed in the member directory, which *is* visible to anyone. In this case: 'tcs'.

Mark -- Just got done composing a fairly lengthy message, and went to click the Send button...but I fat-fingered it and hit Discard instead.

Oops. Not the first time, either.

It would be nice if the Discard button was on the opposite side of the page instead of immediately adjacent to Send.

Thanks for your consideration,
Bruce

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 10:22 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 10:03 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

No need to do that.  If/when it becomes a priority, it will be looked into.  Allow up to 4 years (!) for action to be taken. ;>)

Hey, I resemble that remark! :-) (and in all seriousness, that lag time isn't something I'm exactly proud of...)

To be fair to Mark, I don't ever recall a bug taking more than a week or so to be squashed, even the more complicated ones.  In some cases, if we had included more details, it would have been resolved sooner, but there are so many options for each account and group that it's easy to overlook one.  The lag is more for suggested features that are implemented as time allows, based on usefulness.

Duane