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moderated Re: Lock Profile Display Names

RickGlaz <rickglaz4742435@...>
 

Verification of IDs is tough. It took me 4 months of kicking and screaming
and a re-write of the "ID.ME" requirements to get myself through electronically.
Then SheerID was still broken... (I finished up with them an easier way.)

The first one is (one of) the Federal Gov't Official Verification Contractors for Federal Sites.

If they have trouble, do we really think we can do better? Rhetorical...

Rick

On April 11, 2018 at 4:55 PM "Jeremy H via Groups.Io" <jeremygharrison=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:


I can understand the desirability of - and would support - an option that only group owners, and authorised moderators, can change display names - even if I wouldn't necessarily use it for my groups.

And I would say that it is down to each group owner to decide whether he has any standard for them, in including (or excluding) real (or fake) names, and whether he requires to know the real names (or any other details) of members. And that it is his privilege to do so, for his group. As it is my right to not provide them, and not be a member of his group.

Jeremy
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moderated Re: Allow subgroups to have subgroups

Tom H
 

I hesitated to comment on this, thinking that there are better informed members than I that would. Methinks this is a misuse of the concept of Groups and Sub-Groups and what you are really in need of is a structure for messages. You seem to be trying to structure content through Sub-Groups, a facility that is intended as a means of splitting up members of the mother Group into focus groups. But your content is seemingly of interest to all members of the main group so there is no reason to break the membership into sub-groups. 

Could you not achieve the structure you want through #hashtags, e.g.,
#meetings #2018 #april for all Topics related to the meetings in April, 2018
#meetings #2018 #may for all Topics related to the meetings in May, 2018

The number of hashtags is quite manageable:
months = 12
meetings = 1
years = 1 per

Well, maybe there is a reason for sub-groups - getting posters to practice the discipline of using the right hashtags. But then you will have the same problem getting them to post in the right subgroup. Fixing hashtags is probably a lot easier for the admin than moving posts between subgroups.

Searching for connections among different months will be much easier if all the messages are in the same group. You cannot search across all subgroups.

Now there might be some enhancement along the lines of Categories that would help structure your content but for both subgroups of subgroups and Categories you will have to wait. What you have to work with, in addition to hashtags, are Databases, Wiki pages and structured naming patterns for Topics. I think you should explore further what you can do with the current features - no waiting. 


moderated Change ownership on files and photos

William Finn
 

It would be nice to have the ability to change ownership on files, folders and photo albums as people change roles and if the data is for a specific role in an organization then assigning a new owner would mean we wont have to open up access to all members of a group

Liam


moderated Re: Lock Profile Display Names

Jeremy H
 

I can understand the desirability of - and would support - an option that only group owners, and authorised moderators, can change display names - even if I wouldn't necessarily use it for my groups.

And I would say that it is down to each group owner to decide whether he has any standard for them, in including (or excluding) real (or fake) names, and whether he requires to know the real names (or any other details) of members. And that it is his privilege to do so, for his group. As it is my right to not provide them, and not be a member of his group.

Jeremy 


moderated Re: Lock Profile Display Names

 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 01:22 pm, Barbara Byers wrote:
Trolls and fake profiles are a big reason for a lot of the messes going on right now.
This is not a way to solve that problem. What is your definition of a fake profile? I can, right now if I wanted to, create 10 groups.io accounts, based on 10 of my various gmail accounts, all of which have various first and last names, and use them to apply to various groups. Requiring posting of the names (even as a group option) won't do anything to alleviate my trolling if I care to be a troll. Group owners can and do have various requirements for entry into their groups, and can implement them in various ways. Requiring posting and/or display of first and last names is not even related to the troll or fake profile issue.

 Isn't there an option now for owners to to go in and edit display names?
Yes, there is.  
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Mobile App

Toby Kraft
 

I fail to see how navigating an app is fundamentally different than navigating the site presented by groups.io.  They would both have menus to access the different group areas.
In my opinion, it's way out of scope for groups.io, of little value, and very expensive. 

see -> https://savvyapps.com/blog/how-much-does-app-cost-massive-review-pricing-budget-considerations
  • Apps built by the largest app companies, the "big boys", likely cost anywhere between $500,000 to $1,000,000.
  • Apps built by agencies like savvy apps cost anywhere between $150,000 to $450,000.
  • Apps built by smaller shops, possibly with only 2-3 people, likely cost anywhere between $50,000 to $100,000.
And groups.io is essentially a one man shop.  But then again Mark might consider providing that as an option on Enterprise for extra fee... just a thought...

I added a shortcut on my home screen on my phone, 4 taps got me to the files section listing in one of my groups....  (no login necessary as that was cached)
Toby


moderated Re: Lock Profile Display Names

Barbara Byers
 

I would agree with allowing it as an option by an owner for their group, at least requiring one or the other (display name or email).  Trolls and fake profiles are a big reason for a lot of the messes going on right now.  Isn't there an option now for owners to to go in and edit display names?  That seems pretty intrusive to me, yet if you want it as an option for your group, fine.  This seems like a reasonable option as well.

Also just my .02,

Barb B

 


On 2018-04-11 02:37 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 08:00 am, J_Catlady wrote:

I have mixed feelings about forcing users to display their first and last names (Facebook, anyone?).
Liam didn't ask for that...he asked for the option to do so with his own group.

We have a restricted-membership group for our non-profit. As people let their membership to the parent organization lapse, I'd like to be able to go into the listing and delete them from the group. If I don't know their email address and they're also allowed to obfuscate their display name, this can make subscriber maintenance challenging.

My $0.02,
Bruce


moderated Re: Mobile App

William Finn
 

An always on system where you have access without the need to log into the page.

Access to the wiki, photos and files without having to navigate with a browser to find them

Maybe the option to sync files and photos 

Liam 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 3:09 PM Tom H <ve3meo@...> wrote:
Given that the server provides a version optimised for mobile browsers, what would they expect from an app that goes above and beyond the browser interface?


moderated Re: Mobile App

Tom H
 

Given that the server provides a version optimised for mobile browsers, what would they expect from an app that goes above and beyond the browser interface?


moderated Re: Lock Profile Display Names

 

I'm not opposed to options in general but I am opposed to this one.
I am also opposed to the (required, non-optional?) first and last name fields that he is now suggesting.
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Lock Profile Display Names

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 08:00 am, J_Catlady wrote:
I have mixed feelings about forcing users to display their first and last names (Facebook, anyone?).
Liam didn't ask for that...he asked for the option to do so with his own group.

We have a restricted-membership group for our non-profit. As people let their membership to the parent organization lapse, I'd like to be able to go into the listing and delete them from the group. If I don't know their email address and they're also allowed to obfuscate their display name, this can make subscriber maintenance challenging.

My $0.02,
Bruce


moderated Re: Lock Profile Display Names

 

If your group requires first and last names, you can simply require it in your approval questionnaire, and then slap it into the member's Notes page.
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Lock Profile Display Names

 

Same privacy problem. I don’t give ANYONE in any group my last name and in a public group, as here, not even my first name. There are other users like me. I think requiring rhis would be a dealbreaker for the business, similar to FB’s ridiculous requirement about ‘real names.’


On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:56 AM, William Finn <liam@...> wrote:

Seeing as there is resistance to this, how about putting in first name last name fields that are available only to moderators or owners that way then we can link them back to the person but for everybody else they see the user created display name.

Then we can restrict modification to the first and last name fields so I can maintain my directory of the person's name linked to their email address and they still have the display name which they can modify to whatever they wish which is what is seen by everyone else

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 1:53 PM D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:
Like J, I am hesitant to restrict a member's control over their own accounts. Having said that, I have a group that at one time had a big problem with anonymous trolls. The solution I use is to require a full name somewhere in the message or email address for all posts. (There are a few exceptions we allow where a person's name might bring problems should a quote show up outside the group.)

Members are set to unlimited moderation and stay that way until I know they're going to follow that rule. I'm very upfront about that rule and with treating people on the group with the same decency we would use for a person on the street. It's a little more work for me, but it seems to work itself out right away. I remind them that they're adults and have a few responsibilities to the group, and the privilege of not being moderated is tied to those.

Dano

----- Original Message -----

I have mixed feelings about forcing users to display their first and last names (Facebook, anyone?). I, too, routinely set members' display names - in my group's case, to their first name plus their cat's name. However, I think the user should maintain control over their display name. If they don't like what I've set it to for any reason, they can change it and I would not want to disallow that.
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J





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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Lock Profile Display Names

William Finn
 

Seeing as there is resistance to this, how about putting in first name last name fields that are available only to moderators or owners that way then we can link them back to the person but for everybody else they see the user created display name.

Then we can restrict modification to the first and last name fields so I can maintain my directory of the person's name linked to their email address and they still have the display name which they can modify to whatever they wish which is what is seen by everyone else

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 1:53 PM D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:
Like J, I am hesitant to restrict a member's control over their own accounts. Having said that, I have a group that at one time had a big problem with anonymous trolls. The solution I use is to require a full name somewhere in the message or email address for all posts. (There are a few exceptions we allow where a person's name might bring problems should a quote show up outside the group.)

Members are set to unlimited moderation and stay that way until I know they're going to follow that rule. I'm very upfront about that rule and with treating people on the group with the same decency we would use for a person on the street. It's a little more work for me, but it seems to work itself out right away. I remind them that they're adults and have a few responsibilities to the group, and the privilege of not being moderated is tied to those.

Dano

----- Original Message -----

I have mixed feelings about forcing users to display their first and last names (Facebook, anyone?). I, too, routinely set members' display names - in my group's case, to their first name plus their cat's name. However, I think the user should maintain control over their display name. If they don't like what I've set it to for any reason, they can change it and I would not want to disallow that.
--
J





moderated Re: Lock Profile Display Names

 

Like J, I am hesitant to restrict a member's control over their own accounts. Having said that, I have a group that at one time had a big problem with anonymous trolls. The solution I use is to require a full name somewhere in the message or email address for all posts. (There are a few exceptions we allow where a person's name might bring problems should a quote show up outside the group.)

Members are set to unlimited moderation and stay that way until I know they're going to follow that rule. I'm very upfront about that rule and with treating people on the group with the same decency we would use for a person on the street. It's a little more work for me, but it seems to work itself out right away. I remind them that they're adults and have a few responsibilities to the group, and the privilege of not being moderated is tied to those.

Dano

----- Original Message -----

I have mixed feelings about forcing users to display their first and last names (Facebook, anyone?). I, too, routinely set members' display names - in my group's case, to their first name plus their cat's name. However, I think the user should maintain control over their display name. If they don't like what I've set it to for any reason, they can change it and I would not want to disallow that.
--
J


moderated Re: Lock Profile Display Names

 

I have mixed feelings about forcing users to display their first and last names (Facebook, anyone?). I, too, routinely set members' display names - in my group's case, to their first name plus their cat's name. However, I think the user should maintain control over their display name. If they don't like what I've set it to for any reason, they can change it and I would not want to disallow that.

--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Lock Profile Display Names

William Finn
 

A suggestion on profiles.

Adding an option to restrict a User from Modifying their display name.

I have a group and want to preserve first and last names as the display name in the group. Users have a different idea and want to use nondescript display names.

It would be nice if the display name modification could be restricted so a Moderator or Owner can set the name and the user cant change it .

Liam


moderated Mobile App

William Finn
 

I was wondering if there was any plans to build a groups.io app for Android and iPhone.

I have been asked by some of my users so I told them I would pose the question

Thanks

Liam


moderated Re: Suggestion - Access to databases be set at the database level

Jeremy H
 

Another change that is perhaps desirable is that for tables, 'moderator' and 'owner' authority should be separable, to give extra options for 'Owner only'.

But there may be a limit over management, beyond which Mark/Groups.io has to say: 'this is a simple database feature for an e-mail list system: if you want more, you to need to look for something else, this is beyond our scope'

Jeremy


moderated Separate Posting Privileges for E-mail and via Website #suggestion

Jeremy H
 

Coming form the 'Strip Out Embedded images', and other topics, it appears to me that it it might be desirable to make posting privileges (allow/moderate/not) differentiable based on whether the posting is be done by e-mail or through the web site, both as group default and member override.

So a group may be set, e.g. to allow posting only via the website; or that e-mail postings are moderated.

Thought needs to given to 'New member moderator' status - my thought is that the 'countdown' (after which it no longer applies) be based on all postings.

Jeremy
 

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