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moderated Event: Meltdown/Spectre patching #downtime - Thursday, 10 May 2018 #downtime #cal-invite

main@beta.groups.io Calendar <main@...>
 

Meltdown/Spectre patching #downtime

When:
Thursday, 10 May 2018
5:00am to 7:00am
(GMT-07:00) America/Los Angeles

Description:

The final patching required to protect against the Meltdown and Spectre vulnerabilities will require downtime on May 10th, starting at 5AM Pacific Time. Two hours are allocated for the downtime, but hopefully it should be completed in much less time than that.

Email sent during the downtime will be queued and sent when the site is back up.


moderated Message History table

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Message history table is for me the first part of stats about groups.
I like to see:
  1. Number of topic by months
  2. Total numbers messages or topics by year
  3. Number and graph of message "+x message this week (+xx %)" " +x this yesterday (+x%)


moderated Re: Change ownership on files and photos

Arno Martens
 

On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 08:07 am, toki wrote:


On 04/14/2018 12:57 PM, Arno Martens wrote:

What if the TOS spells out that by posting anything in an IO group the
creator explicitly consents to sharing the content on a non exclusive, non
commercial basis?
GDPR requires explicit consent. Putting statements as above into Terms
and Conditions is not explicit consent.
jonathon

If users are permitted to upload Files and Photos maybe somewhere a request could be made to send a message to the group+owner, giving explicit consent to sharing the content on a non exclusive, non commercial basis, before being allowed to upload.

This would require an administrator setting, similar to he moderation permission.


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • CHANGE: Change the URL sort for database tables to sort by title first, then URL, then description.
  • INTERNAL: Upgraded to Font Awesome 5.
  • NEW: For premium groups, you can now lock groups/subgroups, making them read-only.
  • INTERNAL: Updated the Stripe API library.
  • CHANGE: Instead of changing the Message-ID for all recipients, we now only change the Message-ID for the original sender.
  • CHANGE: Formatting changes to the view event page for events with RSVPs.
  • BUGFIX: We didn't recognize RSS feeds that were served to us in non UTF-8 format. We now fetch feeds and specifically convert them to UTF-8 before passing them off to the feed parser.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated netzero tags

 

Mark, I think you missed one. Netzero emails contain a lot of spam at the bottom. Thanks.
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Change ownership on files and photos

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 06:12 am, William Finn wrote:
But you are missing the main reason this is being added .... content migrated from Yahoo is assigned to the migrator as the owner so reassignment of ownership is needed.
Is that so? If it is then why did your post which started this Topic read as follows:

It would be nice to have the ability to change ownership on files, folders and photo albums as people change roles and if the data is for a specific role in an organization then assigning a new owner would mean we wont have to open up access to all members of a group.

Please tell because you have got me a bit confused, and others might feel the same.

Chris


moderated Re: Change ownership on files and photos

Drew
 

Maybe there should be something in the TOS similar to the restrictions for minors. To wit, people in jurisdictions where the relationship of the government to its subjects is essentially that of parent to child should be prohibited from subscribing.

Drew

On 04/14/18 11:07, toki wrote:
On 04/14/2018 12:57 PM, Arno Martens wrote:

What if the TOS spells out that by posting anything in an IO group the creator explicitly consents to sharing the content on a non exclusive, non commercial basis?
GDPR requires explicit consent. Putting statements as above into Terms
and Conditions is not explicit consent.
jonathon


moderated Re: Change ownership on files and photos

toki
 

On 04/14/2018 12:57 PM, Arno Martens wrote:

What if the TOS spells out that by posting anything in an IO group the creator explicitly consents to sharing the content on a non exclusive, non commercial basis?
GDPR requires explicit consent. Putting statements as above into Terms
and Conditions is not explicit consent.

jonathon


moderated Re: Change ownership on files and photos

William Finn
 

But you are missing the main reason this is being added .... content migrated from Yahoo is assigned to the migrator as the owner so reassignment of ownership is needed.



On Sat, Apr 14, 2018, 12:42 AM toki <toki.kantoor@...> wrote:
On 04/13/2018 11:19 PM, William Finn wrote:

> You must also consider that context t stored on here are not official
> versions of the documents and that they are published on here as a convince
> copy of the items posted to be generally shared.

Official or not doesn't matter. Incorrect attribution is, at best, a
copyright violation. If somebody requests all content relating to them
to be deleted, and something is incorrectly attributed, resulting in it
not being deleted, you just broke both GDPR and Copyright Law.

> Mark has plans to meet with his legal team to identify the effects of such regulations on groups.io.

He's got just on forty days to get Groups.IO in full compliance with
GDPR.  Might be a bit late to do so.

> Also if such regulations does prevent such sharing then Yahoo, Google and
> every other forum, group service will have to shut down.  This we know wont
> happen.

GDPR doesn't prohibit sharing content, provided the creator explicitly
consented to sharing the content, and the content is correctly attributed.

I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

jonathon




moderated Re: Change ownership on files and photos

Arno Martens
 

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 09:42 pm, toki wrote:

GDPR doesn't prohibit sharing content, provided the creator explicitly
consented to sharing the content, and the content is correctly attributed.

I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

What if the TOS spells out that by posting anything in an IO group the creator explicitly
consents to sharing the content on a non exclusive, non commercial basis?
Arno


moderated Notification of Changes Pending or Done #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

Mark; we often come up with suggestions for changes on this forum, and it isn't always clear if those suggestions or requests are going to go on the "to do" list or not.

Can I ask that there be "Moderators Only" Hashtags showing #Pending & #Done that can be added to a topic once its merit has been assessed; this would give us clear sight of something that is now "on the list" and something that isn't. (I suppose there might also need to be a #No_Chance tag as well!)

Obviously some proposals are more important than others, some more urgent, some easy and some difficult and time - consuming, and of course others right down (say) pointless.

If this could be done we would know that action was in hand, even if a completion date might be some time into the future. It would prevent good ideas and suggestions disappearing into a sort of black hole

Regards,

Chris

(Sent in Hope...)


moderated Re: Change ownership on files and photos

toki
 

On 04/13/2018 11:19 PM, William Finn wrote:

You must also consider that context t stored on here are not official
versions of the documents and that they are published on here as a convince
copy of the items posted to be generally shared.
Official or not doesn't matter. Incorrect attribution is, at best, a
copyright violation. If somebody requests all content relating to them
to be deleted, and something is incorrectly attributed, resulting in it
not being deleted, you just broke both GDPR and Copyright Law.

Mark has plans to meet with his legal team to identify the effects of such regulations on groups.io.
He's got just on forty days to get Groups.IO in full compliance with
GDPR. Might be a bit late to do so.

Also if such regulations does prevent such sharing then Yahoo, Google and
every other forum, group service will have to shut down. This we know wont
happen.
GDPR doesn't prohibit sharing content, provided the creator explicitly
consented to sharing the content, and the content is correctly attributed.

I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

jonathon


moderated Re: Change ownership on files and photos

William Finn
 

I see your point but the jury is still out on weather a public group/forum falls under this knowing that the user shares their data on here with knowledge that others can access it.

You must also consider that context t stored on here are not official versions of the documents and that they are published on here as a convince copy of the items posted to be generally shared.

Mark has plans to meet with his legal team to identify the effects of such regulations on groups.io

The main application of these regulations is copyright law and data protection.

The legal team may seem that content shared on a public group service does not apply as the user shared the data knowing it can be accessed by others

Also if such regulations does prevent such sharing then Yahoo, Google and every other forum, group service will have to shut down.  This we know wont happen.




On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 6:38 PM toki <toki.kantoor@...> wrote:
On 04/13/2018 10:24 PM, William Finn wrote:

> How about doing it at a folder level and the rights propagate to all containing files and sub folders

_Right of Attribution_, which is part of EU law on copyright, comes into
play here. You can't arbitrarily remove the name of a creator, from
their work. The definition of "work" is intentionally broad, and vague.

As a second point, GPDR compliance requires that changes be done within
five working days (Estonia). Ireland, with thirty days to comply,
appears to be an outlier.

If done at the folder level, the only legally acceptable solution I can
see, is that an individual can only upload material into a folder they
own. Two immediate consequences are:
* No more shared folders;
* No content outside of a folder;

Both _Right of Attribution_ and GPDR apply, regardless of the format of
the content/data in question.

I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

jonathon





moderated Re: Change ownership on files and photos

toki
 

On 04/13/2018 10:24 PM, William Finn wrote:

How about doing it at a folder level and the rights propagate to all containing files and sub folders
_Right of Attribution_, which is part of EU law on copyright, comes into
play here. You can't arbitrarily remove the name of a creator, from
their work. The definition of "work" is intentionally broad, and vague.

As a second point, GPDR compliance requires that changes be done within
five working days (Estonia). Ireland, with thirty days to comply,
appears to be an outlier.

If done at the folder level, the only legally acceptable solution I can
see, is that an individual can only upload material into a folder they
own. Two immediate consequences are:
* No more shared folders;
* No content outside of a folder;

Both _Right of Attribution_ and GPDR apply, regardless of the format of
the content/data in question.

I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

jonathon


moderated Re: Change ownership on files and photos

William Finn
 

How about doing it at a folder level and the rights propagate to all containing files and sub folders 

A check box lost of users would be the easiest way so you can grant more than one user access if needed.

The idea of more than one user is if you have a folder for board members, then picking all board members at once using a list with check boxes beside each user.  That way you do it once.

Also any time you modify you can uncheck to remove and check to add members .

Liam 

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 4:43 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:25 PM, William Finn <liam@...> wrote:
It would be nice to have the ability to change ownership on files, folders and photo albums as people change roles and if the data is for a specific role in an organization then assigning a new owner would mean we wont have to open up access to all members of a group

I do need to add this to help people who have moved from Yahoo. I'm just not sure how the user interface would work. A pop-up list of all members? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Change ownership on files and photos

 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:25 PM, William Finn <liam@...> wrote:
It would be nice to have the ability to change ownership on files, folders and photo albums as people change roles and if the data is for a specific role in an organization then assigning a new owner would mean we wont have to open up access to all members of a group

I do need to add this to help people who have moved from Yahoo. I'm just not sure how the user interface would work. A pop-up list of all members? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Icon upgrades

 

Hi J,

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 11:30 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
My group just got a question mark for a photo. Not sure whether the photo was attached or included in the message. It looks like this:


Can you send the URL to support, and I'll check it out?

Thanks!
Mark 


moderated Re: Icon upgrades

 

My group just got a question mark for a photo. Not sure whether the photo was attached or included in the message. It looks like this:

This is him enjoying the sun :-) 

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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Lock Profile Display Names

Cacky B
 

I would have 0 members if I asked for a last name. There are many reasons this is not feasible for everyone.
Cacky


moderated Re: Mobile App

 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 6:24 AM, William Finn <liam@...> wrote:
I was wondering if there was any plans to build a groups.io app for Android and iPhone.

I have been asked by some of my users so I told them I would pose the question


It's on the TODO list, and I had hoped to work on it the first half of this year, but it's slipped.

I do hope to improve the mobile website a bit soon now that iOS supports some parts of the progressive web app spec. 

Thanks,
Mark

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