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moderated Re: spamcop.net blocking groups.io? #misc

 

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 10:37 AM, Alexis wrote:
Bizarre thing is that it is not rejecting all messages.
That's probably because only one of the two mail servers was blocked. The same happened to my group member who was bouncing.
 
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moderated Re: spamcop.net blocking groups.io? #misc

Alexis
 

I too have been having this happen to two of my email addresses, both using the same domain.
First one started over a week ago, the other yesterday,

Bizarre thing is that it is not rejecting all messages. The bulk that are rejected are emails containing lots of 'non-words', which is understandable, but some of those messages get through.

Then again, other 'normal' messages are sometimes being rejected but not always.

I have tested this by sending messages direct to those addresses, as well as via groups.io, so I presume my email provider uses spambot, which is a pain in the arse.

For what it may be worth, I think ALL server side spam filters are a bad idea. What one person may think is spam, another does not, and once you get on these blacklists it can be a pain to get off them, plus nothing is to stop you getting black listed again.
Personally I think all spam filtering should be done by the user.
As for groups.io, well it is a mailing group, and whilst I realise a lot of people read and post via a browser, it a MAILING group after all, so I am sure the majority of people read and post using their email software, so local spam filtering comes into play.

Just my penny's worth
Alexis


moderated Re: spamcop.net blocking groups.io? #misc

 

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 9:55 PM D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:
I don't know if this will help or not. I had 15 blocked messages that were reported to me today. The information on them was all the same. This was the last one:

And clicking the link doesn't provide any information.

Fortunately (I suppose), Spamcop sent a report to Linode, our hosting provider, with more information. It was a completely legitimate digest message sent to someone who was on a list that had moved from Yahoo last year. They've been on that list since 2011. I've disabled their account.

Mark


moderated Re: spamcop.net blocking groups.io? #misc

 

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 10:45 PM Dave Sergeant <dave@...> wrote:

I commented earlier that I thought using Spamcop was a bad idea and we
can now see why.

We're trialing Spamhaus, not Spamcop.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: spamcop.net blocking groups.io? #misc

Dave Sergeant
 

Which is the big problem with Spamcop. They are the ones who decide
what servers get put on their blocklists and they not only are
unwilling to tell you why but impossible to communicate with to get
blocks removed. It happens with my 1&1 SMP servers and my mail is
blocked for no fault of my own and no way to resolve it myself.

I commented earlier that I thought using Spamcop was a bad idea and we
can now see why.

Dave

On 7 Mar 2021 at 20:46, Mark Fletcher wrote:

We were apparently on the Spamcop blocklist earlier today for one of our
two mail servers. But we are not on it right now, and apparently there's
no way for me to get any information on why we were on it.

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: spamcop.net blocking groups.io? #misc

 

I don't know if this will help or not. I had 15 blocked messages that were reported to me today. The information on them was all the same. This was the last one:

When       Message        Reason
6:26pm   Digest #135    mail.bluetie.com: 554 inbound007.nyc1.bluetie.com cmsmtp BL0002:
                                          Mail Refused - IP Address <66.175.222.108> Blacklisted - Please see
                                          http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=66.175.222.108

Dano

----- Original Message -----
 
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 8:33 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
One of my group members is bouncing, with this message:
"neocat.org: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [66.175.222.108] blocked using bl.spamcop.net; Blocked - see https://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?66.175.222.108"
This happened to the same member once a couple of months ago, just for one message, but he's now completely blocked. He thinks his spamblocker has blacklisted groups.io, which sounds right ... ??

We were apparently on the Spamcop blocklist earlier today for one of our two mail servers. But we are not on it right now, and apparently there's no way for me to get any information on why we were on it.

Thanks,
Mark 

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moderated Re: spamcop.net blocking groups.io? #misc

 

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 8:33 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
One of my group members is bouncing, with this message:
"neocat.org: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [66.175.222.108] blocked using bl.spamcop.net; Blocked - see https://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?66.175.222.108"
This happened to the same member once a couple of months ago, just for one message, but he's now completely blocked. He thinks his spamblocker has blacklisted groups.io, which sounds right ... ??

We were apparently on the Spamcop blocklist earlier today for one of our two mail servers. But we are not on it right now, and apparently there's no way for me to get any information on why we were on it.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Need a notice type for Moderated Topics #suggestion

Drew
 

Currently when someone posts a followup to a moderated topic they receive a notice saying:

"Your message will be sent when it's approved by the moderators."

Typically this results in the poster assuming that they have been placed under moderation for some reason. It would be useful if the notice was more specific, indicating that the thread topic is under moderation, not the individual subscriber. Better yet would be a new Moderated Topic notice type which owners could customize and make active.

Drew


moderated spamcop.net blocking groups.io? #misc

 

One of my group members is bouncing, with this message:
"neocat.org: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [66.175.222.108] blocked using bl.spamcop.net; Blocked - see https://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?66.175.222.108"
This happened to the same member once a couple of months ago, just for one message, but he's now completely blocked. He thinks his spamblocker has blacklisted groups.io, which sounds right ... ??
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "First Message Also" in "Following Only" now not working #bug

 

Unfortunately, though, No Emsil members won’t receive the warnings. And there’s nothing they can do to fix their No Email setting anyway, since the only place they can set it is in their subscription page and it looks like it is set correctly there to Individusl Email. I’m assuming that toggling it back and forth would work because the changes would then kick in, but I haven’t tried this yet in my own settings because I want to preserve the bug to show Mark.


On Mar 6, 2021, at 5:31 AM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Yes to all by Duane and Andy. There are hacks we can make and warnings we can give out until the bug - member-list email delivery does not match member-page email delivery - is fixed.


On Mar 6, 2021, at 4:52 AM, Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 02:09 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
What does a mod do when they find a member who is No Email in the Member List but Individual Email in thei member page? And that’s sssuming they could even find all of them, which is not practical in large groups.
For your own groups I'd be inclined to send a message direct to all those on the membership list who have No Email set to get them to verify their settings. If you have alerted them to the possibility of an issue then it's up to them to check and be responsible for their own settings.

I still find it odd that there would be more than one location in the Groups.io database where the member delivery settings are held and that the subscription page would take information from one source and the membership list from another.  If that is the case, then it would also bring into question the validity of the data returned by the member info object in the API

Regards,
Andy

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "First Message Also" in "Following Only" now not working #bug

 

Yes to all by Duane and Andy. There are hacks we can make and warnings we can give out until the bug - member-list email delivery does not match member-page email delivery - is fixed.


On Mar 6, 2021, at 4:52 AM, Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 02:09 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
What does a mod do when they find a member who is No Email in the Member List but Individual Email in thei member page? And that’s sssuming they could even find all of them, which is not practical in large groups.
For your own groups I'd be inclined to send a message direct to all those on the membership list who have No Email set to get them to verify their settings. If you have alerted them to the possibility of an issue then it's up to them to check and be responsible for their own settings.

I still find it odd that there would be more than one location in the Groups.io database where the member delivery settings are held and that the subscription page would take information from one source and the membership list from another.  If that is the case, then it would also bring into question the validity of the data returned by the member info object in the API

Regards,
Andy

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: "First Message Also" in "Following Only" now not working #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 02:09 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
What does a mod do when they find a member who is No Email in the Member List but Individual Email in thei member page? And that’s sssuming they could even find all of them, which is not practical in large groups.
For your own groups I'd be inclined to send a message direct to all those on the membership list who have No Email set to get them to verify their settings. If you have alerted them to the possibility of an issue then it's up to them to check and be responsible for their own settings.

I still find it odd that there would be more than one location in the Groups.io database where the member delivery settings are held and that the subscription page would take information from one source and the membership list from another.  If that is the case, then it would also bring into question the validity of the data returned by the member info object in the API

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: "First Message Also" in "Following Only" now not working #bug

Duane
 

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 08:09 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
it’s not realistic (or even possible) for mods to go through member lists and find the disconnecting variables and change them. What does a mod do when they find a member who is No Email in the Member List but Individual Email in thei member page?
If/when a member has a question about messages/delivery, I'll look into it and/or coach them.  Otherwise, I leave it up to the members to decide what settings they want.  With the fix in place, they won't be able to select conflicting settings, so there shouldn't be many questions/complaints.

Duane


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

March 5, 2021

  • BUGFIX: Updated the invite and join group pages to reflect recent changes in the subscription settings. Discussion.

March 3, 2021

  • CHANGE: Changed the color of the Owner link in the header of the photo album page to be white.
  • BUGFIX: Fixed pricing displays for legacy groups in the Change Plan/Upgrade page. Discussion.
  • NEW: Clicking on an Unsubscribe link for an email sent to an account that has been banned by Groups.io now displays a message saying the account has been disabled and explaining how the person may have received the unwanted email.

March 2, 2021

  • CHANGE: In the Group Activity and Member Activity pages, changed the Today date range to Past 24 Hours, Within 7 Days to Past 7 Days, and Within 30 Days to Past 30 Days. Discussion.
  • CHANGE: Recognize Réf: as a subject reply indicator. Discussion.
  • BUGFIX: Don't use the word Update when viewing an event RSVP if the event doesn't allow additional guests. Discussion.
  • BUGFIX: Button formatting fix. Discussion.
  • CHANGE: Changed wording of email delivery and post status activity log entries. Discussion.
  • BUGFIX: Don't convert parentheses to underscores in the preview slug in the uploader dialog. Discussion.
  • CHANGE: Don't include the via Support tag in Banned by system activity messages. Discussion.
  • CHANGE: Include the group subject tag in +owner subject lines. Discussion.

March 1, 2021

  • CHANGE: In the edit photo album page, sort the members by email address.
  • BUGFIX: Removed async/await references in Javascript so that older browsers will work again.

February 27, 2021

  • BUGFIX: Fix some styling issues with the chat screen.
  • CHANGE: Reverted the text field font size to standard Bootstrap sizes, removing a workaround for iOS mobile automatic text field zooming.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: "First Message Also" in "Following Only" now not working #bug

 

Not to mention, as I said before, it’s not realistic (or even possible) for mods to go through member lists and find the disconnecting variables and change them. What does a mod do when they find a member who is No Email in the Member List but Individual Email in thei member page? And that’s sssuming they could even find all of them, which is not practical in large groups.


On Mar 5, 2021, at 5:59 PM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

It’s not me. It’s the whole system, including mods who don’t have a clue about the problem.


On Mar 5, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 05:54 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I think the changes may need to be made retroactive.
In that case, all you have to do is wait for Mark to get his round tuit working.  https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/28503  If you don't want to wait, make the changes as Andy did.

Duane

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "First Message Also" in "Following Only" now not working #bug

 

It’s not me. It’s the whole system, including mods who don’t have a clue about the problem.


On Mar 5, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 05:54 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I think the changes may need to be made retroactive.
In that case, all you have to do is wait for Mark to get his round tuit working.  https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/28503  If you don't want to wait, make the changes as Andy did.

Duane

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "First Message Also" in "Following Only" now not working #bug

Duane
 

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 05:54 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I think the changes may need to be made retroactive.
In that case, all you have to do is wait for Mark to get his round tuit working.  https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/28503  If you don't want to wait, make the changes as Andy did.

Duane


moderated Re: "First Message Also" in "Following Only" now not working #bug

 

The non-retroactivity is the problem. I posted the chronology already. I haven’t touched my settings since the changes. I think the changes may need to be made retroactive.


On Mar 5, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 04:51 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I think, regardless of the changes and the non-retroactivity of them, that there's a real problem if someone double- and triple-checks their subscription page, finds Individual Messages, finds Following Only, and finds a topic in their Followed Topics list, and still gets no email because three months ago they set themselves to No Email but forgot.
It sounds like the non-retroactivity is where your problem is.  Have you changed it to something else and back since the changes were made?  I believe that's why it works for Andy, but not for you.

Duane

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: "First Message Also" in "Following Only" now not working #bug

Duane
 

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 04:51 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I think, regardless of the changes and the non-retroactivity of them, that there's a real problem if someone double- and triple-checks their subscription page, finds Individual Messages, finds Following Only, and finds a topic in their Followed Topics list, and still gets no email because three months ago they set themselves to No Email but forgot.
It sounds like the non-retroactivity is where your problem is.  Have you changed it to something else and back since the changes were made?  I believe that's why it works for Andy, but not for you.

Duane


moderated Re: "First Message Also" in "Following Only" now not working #bug

 

Right, it doesn't match for anyone for whom the non-retroactive changes would have applied if they had been retractive. :)


On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 2:57 PM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 10:51 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
The issue is actually exactly the same as before. I am showing as "Individual Messages" in my subscription page, checking it over and over again, I explicitly marked the topic as Followed, etc. etc etc. but I am *actualy* "No Email," which shows only in the Members List.
So, if the underlying issue is that the subscription options page doesn't always agree with the delivery option shown on the membership list, I can see why that may cause a bit of confusion. I would have thought that both pages would take their info from the same source.

Andy


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