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moderated Re: plain text footers

 

I recently tweaked the footers inserted in HTML messages to
try to make them smaller. I'd like to do something similar to
the footers inserted in plain text messages, because the
current version is something like 17 lines long on its own.
Here's a proposed version:
. . . . . .
Kind of dense. Are there any items that don't need to be there?
Any suggestions for format improvements?
I like what you have, Mark. One of the things for people to keep in mind is that plain text footers are going to look different from one machine to another depending on the preferred font and size chosen by the user. Personally I like them grouped together like this.

Footers are something of a necessary evil. The information needs to be there, but most of the time we don't want it to intrude, By keeping it in a block like this, I feel it does that. I also prefer links to show where their destination are. Links that hide their true destination make some people uncomfortable, and what you have done here recognizes that.

Thanks for remembering the plain text users. My groups use plain text so as to allow individual users to set the font they see, regardless of the sender's preferences.

Dano


moderated Re: plain text footers

Sharon Villines
 

I think this is great.

Sharon

On Jun 6, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

I recently tweaked the footers inserted in HTML messages to try to make them smaller. I'd like to do something similar to the footers inserted in plain text messages, because the current version is something like 17 lines long on its own. Here's a proposed version:


Kind of dense. Are there any items that don't need to be there? Any suggestions for format improvements?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: plain text footers

Drew
 

As far as I'm concerned all of the following links could be removed and replaced with a single link:

View/Reply Online
View All Messages In Topic
New Topic
Terms of Service
Group Home
Change Your Subscription

All of the above options are clearly available when you go to the "View/Reply Online" link. I would just change its description to something like "Access This Message Thread and Your Subscription Options Online".

That will leave only four links vs the current nine:

Access This Message Thread and Your Subscripton Options Online
Mute This Topic
Contact Group Owner
Unsubscribe

Of course, still permit group owners to include their own optional links as we can do now.


Drew

On 06/06/18 16:06, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hi All,
I recently tweaked the footers inserted in HTML messages to try to make
them smaller. I'd like to do something similar to the footers inserted in
plain text messages, because the current version is something like 17 lines
long on its own. Here's a proposed version:
Kind of dense. Are there any items that don't need to be there? Any
suggestions for format improvements?
Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: plain text footers

Bill Burns <ftldny@...>
 

On 6/6/2018 4:30 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
LOL. I included the separators, which meant that the example footer was automatically stripped. Here it is again:
Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group.
View/Reply Online (#145): https://groups.io/g/main/message/145
View All Messages In Topic (1): https://groups.io/g/main/topic/63856
Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/63856/3 | New Topic: https://groups.io/g/main/post
Change Your Sub: https://groups.io/g/main/editsub/3 | Group Home: https://groups.io/g/main
Contact Group Owner: main+owner@groups.io <mailto:main%2Bowner@groups.io> | Terms of Service: https://groups.io/static/tos
Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/main/unsub | Email sent to: EMAILADDRESS
Thanks,
Mark
I'm getting ugly linewrap as above - also see attached screencap.

It would take more lines, but would you consider putting each link on a new line?

--
Bill


moderated Re: plain text footers

Toby Kraft
 

Looks okay to me.  I don't use plain text but it matches the html footer closely.  Not sure what else you could do to improve it.


moderated Re: plain text footers

 

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Toby Kraft <toby@...> wrote:
So dense I couldn't see it...
I think you forgot to paste it in... :)
_._,_._,_
LOL. I included the separators, which meant that the example footer was automatically stripped. Here it is again:

Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Reply Online (#145): https://groups.io/g/main/message/145
View All Messages In Topic (1): https://groups.io/g/main/topic/63856
Contact Group Owner: main+owner@groups.io | Terms of Service: https://groups.io/static/tos
Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/main/unsub | Email sent to: EMAILADDRESS


Thanks,
Mark
 


moderated Re: plain text footers

Toby Kraft
 

So dense I couldn't see it...
I think you forgot to paste it in... :)


moderated Re: plain text footers

Dave Sergeant
 

As commented earlier, and your post is a good example, the footer in
multipart HTML/plain text messages only appears in the HTML part. Many
of us have our email clients configured to only show the plain text
part of such messages so don't see the footer. It should be in both
parts.

Dave

On 6 Jun 2018 at 13:06, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I recently tweaked the footers inserted in HTML messages to try to make
them smaller. I'd like to do something similar to the footers inserted
in plain text messages, because the current version is something like 17
lines long on its own. Here's a proposed version:

http://davesergeant.com


moderated plain text footers

 

Hi All,

I recently tweaked the footers inserted in HTML messages to try to make them smaller. I'd like to do something similar to the footers inserted in plain text messages, because the current version is something like 17 lines long on its own. Here's a proposed version:


Kind of dense. Are there any items that don't need to be there? Any suggestions for format improvements?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Times on Messages

Arno Martens
 

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 04:04 pm, Jeremy H wrote:
I find I will see a date and time popup if I hover over just the right point
I get the posts as a digest. When I look at them in the morning I cannot find the time at all.

My thought is - ideally - there should be a full date & time stamp, with time
zone, visible against every message.
Yes, but please without the archaic AM and PM. Make it the 24 hour clock with +/- UTC hours.
Arno


moderated Re: Times on Messages

Jeremy H
 

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 08:05 am, J_Catlady wrote:
Hover over the date and you'll see the time.
--
J

 

I find I will see a date and time popup if I hover over just the right point (and only that point) on the date - not at all easy to get right, I don't always manage it.

My thought is - ideally - there should be a full date & time stamp, with time zone, visible against every message. (Incidently, the pop on your message says '4:05pm', on quoting, it gives '8:05am' - which I'm sure are actually the same time allowing for zone difference (and whether either is when you thought you were writing it is another question))

Jeremy 
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moderated Re: gavel icon leads group members to think topic is locked #suggestion

 

Woo hoo! Thanks, Mark! 🐈


On Jun 5, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 7:41 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I think a scale would be great! Much better than the gavel. :)

Ok, it's a scale now.

Thanks,
Mark 

--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: gavel icon leads group members to think topic is locked #suggestion

 

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 7:41 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I think a scale would be great! Much better than the gavel. :)

Ok, it's a scale now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Times on Messages

Arno Martens
 

Hover over the date and you'll see the time.
Not on yours.
Arno


moderated Re: gavel icon leads group members to think topic is locked #suggestion

 

I think a scale would be great! Much better than the gavel. :)
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: gavel icon leads group members to think topic is locked #suggestion

 

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 2:34 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I don't remember whether this was discussed at the time moderating topics was implemented, or was ever discussed, but the gavel icon seems to be very misleading to users (including, to be honest, myself, whenever I see it). Time and time again, people assume the thread is locked when they see it. Was a different icon ever considered? Could it be? Is there something like a scale, for example? 

It was the only thing I could think of at the time to represent moderated. I'm happy to change the icon to something better. Font Awesome has some scales now: 


Or if another Font Awesome icon works better, I'd be happy to change it.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: User and group export updates

 

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Mark Irving <m-pfaff@...> wrote:
Might be helpful if group data included the Member Notices. (I've put a few hours into composing and editing some of these, and, while I think I have copies, it would be reassuring to know they were included in a full group export.)


Group export now exports member notices. It now also exports past subscriber data for premium/enterprise groups. And the member export has been changed to export a json formatted file, with a bunch of extra data that was missing before.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated gavel icon leads group members to think topic is locked #suggestion

 

I don't remember whether this was discussed at the time moderating topics was implemented, or was ever discussed, but the gavel icon seems to be very misleading to users (including, to be honest, myself, whenever I see it). Time and time again, people assume the thread is locked when they see it. Was a different icon ever considered? Could it be? Is there something like a scale, for example? 
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 12:38 AM, Benoît Dumeaux <benoit.dumeaux@...> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 09:53 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
BUGFIX: In the transfer interface, improved handling of how we scrape Yahoo Groups in different languages.
Can you give more details?

When you set up a transfer, through https://groups.io/yahootransfer, we scrape a few pages off the Yahoo Groups site, to make sure that the Yahoo group exists, to see if you've made transfer@groups.io a moderator yet, etc. That didn't work for groups that were not in English, because the Yahoo Group URLs are on a different domain. That's what was fixed.

Mark 


moderated Re: remove "The groups.io team" signature from rejected message #suggestion

 

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 7:59 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
The current "rejected message" format is as below:

... 

I would prefer that the sig just be dropped. I don't know what a suitable replacement might be, but I don't think any sig is necessary in this notification.

I've deleted the sig.

Cheers,
Mark 

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