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moderated Re: #owner email addressing #suggestion

Toby Kraft
 

Good grief.  It's only a suggestion.  Mark gets to weigh the merits of it and decide if he wants to implement it.
Toby


moderated Re: "mark as unread" function #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 08:21 AM, Lena wrote:
There is an extension for that:
https://addons.mozilla.org/ru/firefox/addon/remove-visited-link/
But perhaps not really viable for the "less IT- savvy", IMHO

However, I just spotted another way of achieving the desired goal. (I think!)

  • Identify the post that requires a "follow - up" rather than an immediate answer.
  • Click on "Reply".
  • Refresh the page.
    The "typing area" that appeared when clicking on Reply will disappear, and a "Drafts" tab will appear on the left hand side.
  • Go away and do something else; the Drafts tab will still be there later when you come back, whenever that happens to be.
  • Open the draft (or the first of several) and complete the reply. When all the Drafts have been dealt with the tab will go away.

OK the flag is "Drafts" rather than "Follow - up" but it's a much more positive indication than reverting the thread topic to "blue".

Chris


moderated Re: "mark as unread" function #suggestion

 

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 09:24 PM, Chris Jones wrote:


Having had a quick look it would seem that Firefox won't allow individual
items to be cleared.
There is an extension for that:
https://addons.mozilla.org/ru/firefox/addon/remove-visited-link/


moderated Re: #owner email addressing #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Bob Bellizzi at 8/4/2018 09:40 PM UTC:

Sorry, I'm strongly against any changes too allow this. It's not a system problem but a personal problem in planning and management.
I concur. It's not Gio's problem that a group owner didn't record the email address used to create the group. They know the addresses they use... they should just attempt to sign in using each one until thefind the one they used... and then learn from the process.

Jim H


moderated Re: #owner email addressing #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

Toby,
Then, rather than change groups.io wouldn't it make more sense to encourage and possibly provide a process or other aid for those less experienced?
It seems to me that the obvious fix is for the one in this jam to pick a single ownership email address, invite/direct add it to every group, make it an owner in each group and they would essentially be done.
I don't believe that we should be encouraging group owners to continue bad practices especially when the cure is so simple
--

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: #owner email addressing #suggestion

Toby Kraft
 

Bob,
Uhh, it's already "allowed" and groups.io has no way to prevent it.  I agree that it makes no sense for someone to do that to their self but they do.
This suggestion will help them (and we more experienced managers on GMF) sort it out and hopefully lead them to merge their accounts if they wish.
Thanks
Toby


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Patty Sliney
 

Chris, this request is already on the wish list.  It is a feature we've had for as long as I can remember on Yahoo Groups.  If Mark can add a "mandatory" option, then, folks can either require a comment, or not.  For my groups back on Yahoo Groups, our group description stated that a membership request must have a comment included that relates to the purpose  function of our group.  If someone tried to submit a "filler" comment, like "hi", their request was rejected.  Worked fine for years on Yahoo Groups, don't see why this would have a "real problem".  In fact, Mark can even make a comments section visible or hidden for list mods/owners if he wished.


moderated Re: Calendar missing "Last" function for repeating events

 

Michael,

Would this work if the event was initially scheduled when the “Last”
was also the “Fourth”, rather than the “Fifth"?
No, then you get the fourth. To be shown my proposed option you'd need to start by creating the event on a fifth/last date.

I hadn't thought of it, but the idea could easily be extended to incorporate the fourth, simply by showing an option to select between fourth and last if the date happens to be a fourth. That way you're covered.

It just seems like the existing algorithm was designed for 28 day
months, ... doesn’t it make more sense to just to start with a 31 day
month in mind?
I don't know that there's a mindset issue involved. One benefit of the current scheme is that you can't create a logical problem by defining a repeat that doesn't include the start date (the date on which you created the event).

I'm not sure what the proper interaction is between choosing "fifth" and also a "Repeat Every" greater than one. The current behavior seems to be an intersection of the two (every nth month, unless there isn't a fifth that month). That's probably a sane choice.

Shal


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Victoria <dr.vcaesar@...> wrote:

 

concerning updates in privacy policy and compliance with GDPR, shouldn´t the date of last revision be July or August 2018 instead of still carrying the date of Sept. 15th, 2014?

 

https://groups.io/static/privacy

 


The new privacy policy, which you can see at https://groups.io/static/newprivacy doesn't go into effect until Monday (probably), so I haven't switched over the old policy yet. (It goes into effect when I send out emails to every existing user, which will probably start on Monday).

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: #owner email addressing #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

Sorry, I'm strongly against any changes too allow this.  
It's not a system problem but a personal problem in planning and management.
It's akin  to a programmer rewriting a commonly needed piece of code with at least one thing different a bunch of times instead of a closed subroutine.
How  tedious and unnecessary it must be to have to  constantly log out and in to manage different groups.
Seems to me that someone who puts themselves in this position should immediately correct it by inviting/direct installing a common owner email address into all of the groups they own.

--

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Calendar missing "Last" function for repeating events

Michael Pavan
 

On Aug 4, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

Michael,

4th, 5th, and Last are different, and should not be mixed up.
Indeed.

And in the very next paragraph I proposed a simple way to do that.
You suggested:

| So the other option is to, in that case, reveal a control (radio buttons) to select between "fifth" and "last", probably just below the control that selects between "day of the week" and "day of the month”

Would this work if the event was initially scheduled when the “Last” was also the “Fourth”, rather than the “Fifth"?

It just seems like the existing algorithm was designed for 28 day months, rather than try to correct its possible/probable mistakes, doesn’t it make more sense to just to start with a 31 day month in mind?


moderated Re: Calendar missing "Last" function for repeating events

Dave Wade
 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shal
Farley
Sent: 04 August 2018 19:27
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Calendar missing "Last" function for repeating events

Michael,

> 4th, 5th, and Last are different, and should not be mixed up.

Indeed.

And in the very next paragraph I proposed a simple way to do that.

Shal
Shal,
If I read the proposal correctly you need to find a month that has a fifth day of the one you wish to use. So for example if I want the last Tuesday, then I would need to start the event in October, other Tuesdays would come out as fourth.....
Dave




moderated Re: Calendar missing "Last" function for repeating events

 

Michael,

4th, 5th, and Last are different, and should not be mixed up.
Indeed.

And in the very next paragraph I proposed a simple way to do that.

Shal


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Chris Jones
 

Patti; I can see a real problem with your request but this is not the place to elaborate. I will put up a topic on GMF - please have a look once it has been moderated.

Chris


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Patty Sliney
 

Thanks, Mark.  Any chance adding a "Comment" field in the application for membership screen, and having the option as a list owner/mod, to make that field mandatory?  We've got this request on our Wish List, just hoping we can have that added in.  We've tried the work around, which is moderating all our list membership, then sending an email message to the prospective member, asking them to tell us why they wish to join our group, but we are getting less than a 10% response.  So, not really an option.  This is a very helpful screening tool, to keep ne'er do wells off our list.  Thanks for all you do!


moderated Re: #owner email addressing #suggestion

 

Oops. Toby Jim on prior message.


moderated Re: #owner email addressing #suggestion

 

Toby,

What I wouldn't like is for Groups.io to reveal the Owner's personal
email address to someone sending email to GROUP+owner.
I don't see any danger of that.

Well, maybe one - if an owner chooses to reply to such a message they might want to trim that footer if they're replying under a different address (say, spoofing the +owner address).

A slight catch to this approach is that the Owner/Recipient who has
forgotten which email address he used when creating his group has to
check mail at all the addresses he owns until he finds this email.
True, but I don't see a way around it.

I find it odd that a person can create a new group and then lose track of it. But this isn't the venue for puzzling that one out. Hopefully I'll learn something in GMF that sparks a suggestion for this group.

Shal


moderated Re: #owner email addressing #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Shal Farley at 8/4/2018 06:06 PM UTC:

Toby,

Or add a footer to the message showing the address it
was sent to like is now done for regular posts.
I like that choice.

So do I.

What I wouldn't like is for Groups.io to reveal the Owner's personal email address to someone sending email to GROUP+owner.

A slight catch to this approach is that the Owner/Recipient who has forgotten which email address he used when creating his group has to check mail at all the addresses he owns until he finds this email.

Jim H


moderated Re: "mark as unread" function #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 06:25 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
If you clear your browser history that will reset all messages to unread. Depending on your browser, it may be possible to remove just the one message's URL from your browser history and thereby revert its color.
Having had a quick look it would seem that Firefox won't allow individual items to be cleared.

However, having thought about this a bit more, there is no obvious reason to suppose that it is only Owners & Moderators that might find a "Follow - up" capability useful; individual members might find it helpful as well. So... I will withdraw my earlier suggestion of incorporating it into the facilities currently on trial on the -test page and suggest that consideration be given to adding it to the "More" tab on each individual message, with the "Follow - up Flag" being an additional tab on the left hand side in much the same way as Drafts do.

Chris


moderated Re: #owner email addressing #suggestion

 

Toby,

Or add a footer to the message showing the address it
was sent to like is now done for regular posts.
I like that choice.

Note: the approval email *is* addressed to the owner, perhaps it
should have a footer also that says "Login to <email address> to
administer your new group." or some such...
... or some such. Said that tersely the user might think it means to log in to their email service.

The wording needs to be clear that the user needs to log in to Groups.io, putting that email address in the Email Address box on the Login page.

Shal

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