Date   

moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

Michael Pavan
 

On Sep 20, 2018, at 10:06 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

I see no point in doing any extra work for "Reply to Group" as that's the default behavior when one replies to any message (not private, mind you) one receives from Groups.io.
“Reply to Group” may be the default setting,
however that is only 1 of 4 choices that can be set for a group in
Admin: Settings: Message Policies: Reply To:
“Group"
“Sender"
“Moderators"
“Group and Sender”

All 4 options should be fully functional and operate in the same manner.


moderated Settings, Preferences, Etc. #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

The recent discussion regarding the footer variations has driven home for me, again, just how "spread out"/disjoint the various preferences and settings for Groups.io are.

I realize that some of this cannot be changed due to the hybrid nature of the Groups.io e-mail/web forum setup.  What would be helpful, though, is a bit of, "If you're looking for," location pointer text on the various preferences/settings pages.  A good example of this is for the the format one wishes to send messages in.  This is found on the following webpage (I'm assuming one is logged in), https://groups.io/account?page=prefs, but I could not find that again to save my life until Lena mentioned it.  On that page the preference in relation to this is listed as "Post Preference," which I also think is not precisely clear as far as e-mail participants are concerned.  A label such as, "Send/Post messages in the following format," with the HTML/Markdown/Plain Text choices would be much clearer.

It would be helpful, if on the Group Subscription page, there were a one line note along the line of, "For additional settings related to posting/e-mailing messages, see your Account Preferences page."  Similar notes, as appropriate to the settings page in question, pointing people to the "other pages" where controls related to the category they're dealing with on the current page are located would be useful as well.  I had forgotten entirely about the checkbox for, "I always want copies of my own messages," that's on the Account Preferences page (and only really applies to the e-mail interface, so it might start with, "If participating by e-mail."  Someone on a group I participate in was asking why they didn't receive a copy of their own messages (which I found strange, as I certainly don't need a copy coming in to my inbox of my own material) but I had no recollection of this setting at all.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 
     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

Dave Sergeant
 

On 20 Sep 2018 at 7:06, Brian Vogel wrote:

Personally, and I know this is not going to happen, I would simply
eliminate the plain text e-mail option.  It's a hold-over from an era
long gone now.  Even screen readers were long ago updated to be able to
handle HTML e-mail messages once these became the norm rather than the
exception.  
You may suggest that. I for one never ever send HTML mail and try to
configure my own group preferences to receive in plain text. Yes, I can
handle HTML, but always view in plain text by preference. I just don't
want all the fancy coloured fonts and silly graphics some people
clutter their emails with. Not to mention the security issues with
dodgy html links and remote graphics.

But the plain text footer options, changed after much discussion on
here earlier in the year, are somewhat lacking. A 'reply to sender'
option is essential as some seem incapable of reading this in the
'from' line. Reply to group is unnecessary as a normal reply does just
that. And 'unsubscribe' is hardly something I want to do every day.

Dave

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:51 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I could do some work to emulate reply to sender/reply to group functionality through the website for plain text emails
I see no point in doing any extra work for "Reply to Group" as that's the default behavior when one replies to any message (not private, mind you) one receives from Groups.io.

It would be nice to have some way for plain text recipients to be able to do a direct reply to sender without having to post a, "Can you send me your e-mail address so I can contact you off-list?," message, which happens with some frequency.   I am not at all worried about the subject line being prepopulated such as it is when one uses the link in the HTML e-mail, as the vast majority of the cases I see is where people want to establish off-list contact but do not have any direct way to do so without asking for a member's e-mail address.

Personally, and I know this is not going to happen, I would simply eliminate the plain text e-mail option.  It's a hold-over from an era long gone now.  Even screen readers were long ago updated to be able to handle HTML e-mail messages once these became the norm rather than the exception.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 
     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


moderated Re: icon for private-reply topics #suggestion

 

Through a hashtag set to private reply.

But that actually brings up another idea: the ability to set topics to thst directky.

And possible other options: the ability to set other topic attributes directly thst you can now set only via hashtag.

On Sep 20, 2018, at 12:11 AM, Marina <moderatore@biblit.it> wrote:

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 07:33 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

But the
fact that a topic is private-reply only can't be seen until someone tries to
reply.
I didn't even know that it is possible to set a single topic as a private-reply only.
How do you do this?

Marina


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: icon for private-reply topics #suggestion

Marina
 

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 07:33 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

But the
fact that a topic is private-reply only can't be seen until someone tries to
reply.
I didn't even know that it is possible to set a single topic as a private-reply only.
How do you do this?

Marina


moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

 

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 06:42 AM, Steve Bass wrote:


In Account, Preferences, I'm set to Plain Text and I get the full footer
That preference is for sending messages from groups.io website,
not for receiving messages.


moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

 

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 6:01 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
In my specific case, I swore I remembered the "Reply to Sender" link, whether in full click-through "regalia" in HTML messages, or in label-link pair in plain text, was there.

Plain text messages by definition don't support links. The fact that some things are clickable in a plain text message is purely a function of the email client looking for things that look like URLs and then making them clickable. Mailto links do not work in plain text, which is why plain text footers are different from HTML footers. I could do some work to emulate reply to sender/reply to group functionality through the website for plain text emails, but it's never been the case that that functionality has been in plain text footers.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

Bob Bellizzi
 

My "collecter" is still operating.  I didn't start this topic until I had 1 message of each type from the same person to my test email address
I'm going to wait till I have one or more of each from the same originator to my test subscription before proceeding with this.

I don't think Mark really understands that it isn't the font it's the links that concern us
Links to a particular recipient should be consistent, not vary dependent on the message text format
--

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

Steve Bass
 

In Account, Preferences, I'm set to Plain Text and I get the full footer:

Groups.io Links:

You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Reply Online (#18375) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic

Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner | Unsubscribe

________________________________
In my specific case, I swore I remembered the "Reply to Sender" link, whether in full click-through "regalia" in HTML messages, or in label-link pair in plain text, was there.If Mark can give me a way to search my own mail for individual messages from groups.io by either HTML or plain text format I can check to see what I got "way back when," but I could have sworn that the standard link cluster for:  View/Reply Online, Reply to Group, Reply to Sender, Mute this Topic, New Topicwas always presented, whether the mail was in HTML format or Plain Text format.  Maybe I'm wrong, but if it isn't it could be.--


moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

In my specific case, I swore I remembered the "Reply to Sender" link, whether in full click-through "regalia" in HTML messages, or in label-link pair in plain text, was there.

If Mark can give me a way to search my own mail for individual messages from groups.io by either HTML or plain text format I can check to see what I got "way back when," but I could have sworn that the standard link cluster for:  View/Reply Online, Reply to Group, Reply to Sender, Mute this Topic, New Topic
was always presented, whether the mail was in HTML format or Plain Text format.  Maybe I'm wrong, but if it isn't it could be.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 
     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

Bob Bellizzi
 

Mark,
As Brian said, shouldn't the links be identical regardless of font, etc?
People who receive individual posts via email and don't wish to post via groups.io
should receive links appropriate to this method of receiving messages.
A Reply to that takes the pure email member to groups.io will only give them a screen with a bunch of links for logging in.
Confusion!
--

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

 

On second thought maybe I like Gerald's suggested change. It serves to contrast the two statuses very clearly. 

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 5:05 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 04:37 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
moderate all messages of every topic this person starts
Since a "moderated topic" is used elsewhere, I would keep it as is and not make this change.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Mark,

             Aren't all of the same links supposed to be in the plain text footer, but as label - link pairs, as you can't do click through?

             It makes no sense to me to do this for two of them but not the rest.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 
     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

 

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 04:37 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
moderate all messages of every topic this person starts
Since a "moderated topic" is used elsewhere, I would keep it as is and not make this change.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

 

Bob,

The 'good footer' email you sent is an HTML email and the 'bad footer' email you sent is a plain text email. If you always want the consistent footers, I suggest changing your group to Force HTML Emails, if you like the HTML footers, or PlainTextOnly if you want the plain text footers.


Mark

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 4:49 PM Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:
Brian, I just sent Mark at the support email address both the good and the wacky headers.
This time the two differing fonts held true so hopefully that will provide a clue.
 
--

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

Bob Bellizzi
 

Brian, I just sent Mark at the support email address both the good and the wacky headers.
This time the two differing fonts held true so hopefully that will provide a clue.
 
--

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

 

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 4:38 PM Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:
No Mark,
The links are different.  I can send a real copy to support@groups.io for you

Hmm. Can you send me the emails to my corp address? In Gmail, use 'Show Original' for each email to view the raw email. Copy that into a new email and send it to me.

Thanks!
Mark


moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

Bob Bellizzi
 

No Mark,
The links are different.  I can send a real copy to support@groups.io for you
--

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 06:35 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I've just added the following two post status overrides:

  • Override: moderate the first message of every topic this person starts
  • Override: moderate all topics started by this person
Assuming my interpretation is correct, might I suggest rewording the second override as follows.

  • Override: moderate the first message of every topic this person starts
  • Override: moderate all messages of every topic this person starts

--
Gerald

11521 - 11540 of 29729