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moderated Re: Fixed Width Formatting

 

Bruce,

It's not just the width of the characters. By default, browsers collapse multiple spaces into a single space unless you use the HTML nbsp character.

Oops. I forgot that. So yes, something more than just a monospaced font selection is required.

My real objection to <pre> is the boxed style it has here. But maybe a simpler style could be used in the particular case of displaying a text/plain message monospaced.

The question of word-wrap could be left to the sender, as Alexis suggests.

Shal

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moderated Download Members only works on Members

Bob Bellizzi
 

Could we please have a bit of consistency in the allowable operations shown on the Members' (type) lists so we could work with them consistently?


It appears that no matter which group of members you are "in" Pending, Members, Moderated, etc
you can only download Members
I wanted to compile some figures on unsubscribes (Left vs Spam Left) and then compare to resubscribes and a couple of other things that I track in a database.
But I would have to copy/past each group of 20 separately and that isn't worth it.

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moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

 

Mark,

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:28 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
...
Anyone remember this guy?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shalf/6210313586/

Also my doing. :-)

Astounding. I thought he was new in 2011, long after your time...?
 
I had been meaning to update the maintenance page. It didn't even have the Groups.io logo.

I'd forgotten (haven't seen it in a while). So yes, putting at least the logo on it was needed.
 
So, I've made it a bit more serious, but it still has a link to the cats.

I'm all for cats front and center (says the guy who's employer is named for a literary cat).

Shal


moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

 

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 04:01 pm, Ginny T. wrote:
the cats just bring a grin and ease the antsies.
Absolutely agree! The cats are one of the best features! :-)
 
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moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

Ginny T.
 

I would venture that it is a group owner's responsibility to be aware, which means paying attention to the beta and GMF topics. That then allows the owner(s) to warn their members. I've done this since starting a Groups.io group (I now manage several) and there's never been a problem.  Likewise there is a status page (http://status.groups.io/) for problem times, and again I believe that it's a group owner's responsibility to be aware and update their members.

And, my people just love the cats when there is downtime...  many have commented that yes, there is frustration when they find that Groups.io might be down (which, thanks to Mark happens very infrequently), the cats just bring a grin and ease the antsies.

Just my 2 cents....
Ginny


On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 01:55 am, Chris Jones wrote:
Indeed it was, but to a limited audience on beta. Not all groups are represented on beta, or the GMF for that matter.

 
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moderated Re: Export group

 

I think there was an error with your request. It looks like there’s a limit I didn’t know about for the size of files uploaded to S3, and your archive was bigger than that. Unfortunately I probably won’t be able to fix it until Monday.

Thanks,
Mark


On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 1:29 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Submitted my request more than two hours ago...no response. I guess when you have 468 members in beta and all of them try to do this at the same time, it takes a little longer than 10 minutes. :-)

Bruce


moderated Re: Export group

Bruce Bowman
 

Submitted my request more than two hours ago...no response. I guess when you have 468 members in beta and all of them try to do this at the same time, it takes a little longer than 10 minutes. :-)

Bruce


moderated Re: Fixed Width Formatting

Alexis
 

Thanks for the info

On 11/05/2018 01:01, Shal Farley wrote:
Alexis,

> I was under the impression that all plain text emails had a max line
> length of 80 is it?
80 includes the ASCII CR and LF characters that terminate the line. So 78 message characters. But that's the original email standard.
In the current standard:
2.1.1.  Line Length Limits
   There are two limits that this specification places on the number of
   characters in a line.  Each line of characters MUST be no more than
   998 characters, and SHOULD be no more than 78 characters, excluding
   the CRLF.
   ...
                             Again, even though this limitation is put
   on messages, it is incumbent upon implementations that display
   messages to handle an arbitrarily large number of characters in a
   line (certainly at least up to the 998 character limit) for the sake
   of robustness.
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5322.txt

> As for HTML emails, well I think they are the anti christ and besides,
> any properly formatted HTML email SHOULD have a plain text version as
> well.
Heh, while I've often said something similar, a proposal to display the text/plain part instead of the text/HTML part in a Multipart/Alternative message body would be a separate option (I'd think) from just providing a fixed-pitch font option.

> What I missed out was that all my lists are set to plain text only, so
> html is not an issue....so your suggestion of adding it to a group's
> settings opposed to a user's settings, makes more sense.
No, I specifically did NOT suggest that it be a group setting. Rather a viewing option, more like forward or reverse date order when looking at a list of messages. Something you can change on the spot when you see that a message doesn't look the way you want it to.
Shal
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moderated Re: Fixed Width Formatting

Alexis
 

fair enough, but as this is already done when viewing the source code, it should just be a case of adding that existing coding elsewhere

On 11/05/2018 07:50, Bruce Bowman wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 06:28 pm, Alexis wrote:
If I create this on the website then the 'column' alignment disappears due
to the width of each character. But creating it, like i have now using
thunderbird, set to plain text, is appears fine.
It's not just the width of the characters. By default, browsers collapse
multiple spaces into a single space unless you use the HTML nbsp character.
Throw in proportional fonts and it's rare that things will line up. Overcoming
this will require both bracketing the desired text in <PRE> tags and using a
monospaced font (like Consolas or Courier).
Bruce


moderated Export group

 

Hi All,

I just pushed a new Export Group function to the site, accessible from the Group Settings page, replacing the archive export. You can now export all parts of your group (and subgroups), in a handy zip file. The one thing I'm not yet exporting are any wiki page images, but that'll happen. Also, I may tweak some of the json bits, especially around who uploaded what, to make things more clear.

Please let me know if you see anything buggy.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

Duane
 

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 08:15 pm, Steve wrote:


1. Send out an email to all group owners, letting them know of the start time
and estimated duration
If this notification is used, I'd like to have an option to turn it off. I really only use the site and prefer not to get any more email than I already do.

Duane


moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

 

Hi All,

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:28 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Steve,

> *1. Send out an email to all group owners, letting them know of the
> start time and estimated duration*

Perhaps group owners should have, or be offered, a default subscription to http://status.groups.io/

Hmm, that's an interesting idea. Except that I hope to at some point move that to something more self-hosted.

 
Of course the corollary to that is that the outage be listed there.

Fair point!

 

Anyone remember this guy?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shalf/6210313586/

Also my doing. :-)

I had been meaning to update the maintenance page. It didn't even have the Groups.io logo. So, I've made it a bit more serious, but it still has a link to the cats.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Fixed Width Formatting

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 06:28 pm, Alexis wrote:
If I create this on the website then the 'column' alignment disappears due to the width of each character. But creating it, like i have now using thunderbird, set to plain text, is appears fine.
It's not just the width of the characters. By default, browsers collapse multiple spaces into a single space unless you use the HTML nbsp character. Throw in proportional fonts and it's rare that things will line up. Overcoming this will require both bracketing the desired text in <PRE> tags and using a monospaced font (like Consolas or Courier).

Bruce


moderated Re: Email daily summary

Tom Vail
 

Okay, it is working now.  Seems it doesn't kick in until the next summary is sent out, which was this morning.

Thanks,
Tom


moderated Re: Email daily summary

Tom Vail
 

Aron,

If the screenshot I copy/pasted into the first post had remained in place (now it is just a.  I'll try again and attach) it would have shown that the daily summary button is already set.  And going back to it right now shows it still set, but I'm still getting every message?

Peace,
Tom


moderated Re: Email daily summary

Arno Martens
 

I already answered in your duplicate post.
Click on any message to open the web post, click Subscription right above the currently highlit Messages, click the radio button Daily Digest.
Arno


moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

Arno Martens
 

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 02:06 am, Dave Sergeant wrote:

My only gripe with the downtime announcements is that they should be
given directly in UTC rather than USA Pacific time (UTC-8) when we have
to do a mental calculation in our heads to work out when it is.
Agree with that, being at UTC-5 (well, UTC-4 now during Daylight Savings Time).
What I would really like to see is the elimination of the horrific AM and PM which, of course, will allow for simple calculation.


moderated Re: Email daily summary

Arno Martens
 

Click Subscription above and check the Daily Digest radio button.
Working well for me.
Arno


moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

Dave Sergeant
 

In this particular case the downtime was relatively short (but during
daytime in the UK) that most would not even have been aware of it.
Longer time outages should maybe be given more publicity but I am not
sure a blanket posting to all groups would really help.

My only gripe with the downtime announcements is that they should be
given directly in UTC rather than USA Pacific time (UTC-8) when we have
to do a mental calculation in our heads to work out when it is.

As for cats, I had not even noticed them in my plain text emails...

Dave

On 11 May 2018 at 1:55, Chris Jones via Groups.Io wrote:

Indeed it was, but to a limited audience on beta. Not all groups are
represented on beta, or the GMF for that matter. Not by a very wide
margin...

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 12:26 am, Ruthie Levi wrote:

the outage was announced well in advance

Indeed it was, but to a limited audience on beta. Not all groups are represented on beta, or the GMF for that matter. Not by a very wide margin...

 

there was a banner across the groups home page yesterday, well in advance

See my post on GMF yesterday; if my experience is in any way typical then most Groups.io users don't use the web access much, if at all.

 

mark’s playground, his rules, his cats

True for free groups, but I'm not sure that you can say that about "paid - for" ones.

Chris

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