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moderated Messages, Oldest First?

Sharon Villines
 

My lists are appearing with the oldest messages first. I have a vague memory of a setting for this but can’t find it. Showing messages from 2000 first and have to scroll through almost 18 years of messages is not good.

Sharon

On Jun 21, 2018, at 9:21 PM, bruce.bowman@tds.net wrote:

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 06:16 pm, Sharon Villines wrote:
What about saving the time the message was sent in all the messages?
It's already there. Just hover your mouse cursor over the displayed date/time at upper right.

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moderated Re: Configurable date and time format options

Sharon Villines
 

What about saving the time the message was sent in all the messages?
It's already there. Just hover your mouse cursor over the displayed date/time at upper right.
It isn’t on any of my lists.

Sharon


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moderated Re: Configurable date and time format options

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 06:16 pm, Sharon Villines wrote:
What about saving the time the message was sent in all the messages?
It's already there. Just hover your mouse cursor over the displayed date/time at upper right.

Bruce


moderated Re: Configurable date and time format options

Sharon Villines
 

What about saving the time the message was sent in all the messages? I’ve already had an instance of having to prove the times of of messages. That’s how I discovered that they were not saved past the day of the message.

Sharon

From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
Reply: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io>
Date: June 21, 2018 at 7:39:11 PM
To: beta@groups.io <beta@groups.io>
Subject:  [beta] Configurable date and time format options

Hi All,

In your account, on the Preferences page, the Relative/Absolute time preference has been removed. In its place are two new preferences, for how dates and times are displayed. You can display times either in standard format, or in military (24 hour) time. And dates you can display either MM/DD/YYYY or DD-MM-YYYY.

Dates formatted this way only shows up for dates that are older than this year. Otherwise, we continue to use 'Month Day' or, for something that happened on the current day, just the hour and minute (the complete date/time is available by hovering over the date). The calendar does respect the new date preferences.

At some point I will also add these preferences to the default sub settings for groups, but this was already a big change, and I wanted to wait and let the dust settle before I do that.

These changes touched every part of the website. I think I got all instances of dates and times, but there's a chance I missed some. Please let me know if you see any incorrectly formatted dates/times, and please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Mark
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moderated Configurable date and time format options

 

Hi All,

In your account, on the Preferences page, the Relative/Absolute time preference has been removed. In its place are two new preferences, for how dates and times are displayed. You can display times either in standard format, or in military (24 hour) time. And dates you can display either MM/DD/YYYY or DD-MM-YYYY.

Dates formatted this way only shows up for dates that are older than this year. Otherwise, we continue to use 'Month Day' or, for something that happened on the current day, just the hour and minute (the complete date/time is available by hovering over the date). The calendar does respect the new date preferences.

At some point I will also add these preferences to the default sub settings for groups, but this was already a big change, and I wanted to wait and let the dust settle before I do that.

These changes touched every part of the website. I think I got all instances of dates and times, but there's a chance I missed some. Please let me know if you see any incorrectly formatted dates/times, and please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Event: Data center power loss #outage - Wednesday, 20 June 2018 #cal-invite #outage

Mark Irving
 

I found the web site not working this morning, too, and checked the useful status page to see what had happened. As a recent immigrant from Y! Groups! I continue to be pleasantly surprised by Groups.io. It's not that it never goes wrong, although it's far more reliable than Y!, but that the level of information available is far better. This seems the right moment to say Thank you to Mark Fletcher for his dedication and competence.

  - Mark, Cambridgeshire, UK


moderated Re: Event: Data center power loss #outage - Wednesday, 20 June 2018 #cal-invite #outage

Dave Sergeant
 

On 21 Jun 2018 at 9:52, main@beta.groups.io Calendar wrote:

"Data center power loss #outage" Event
Thanks Mark. Yes we noticed this here in the UK - I realised a message
I posted on a group hadn't gone through then since I needed to check
bouncing status on one of our members found the website was off line.
But it was up again soon after breakfast so most of our members weren't
even aware.

As you say, it is so rare that you probably don't need to address it.
But I imagined you would be having a rather disturbed night's sleep
over there in the States...

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moderated Re: Event: Data center power loss #outage - Wednesday, 20 June 2018 #cal-invite #outage

William Finn
 

Thanks for the update Mark.

Have you considered a resiliency product to replicate into the cloud so it auto fails over your systems .


On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 12:53 PM main@beta.groups.io Calendar <main@beta.groups.io> wrote:

Data center power loss #outage

When:
Wednesday, 20 June 2018 9:30pm to
Thursday, 21 June 2018 12:39am
(GMT-07:00) America/Los Angeles

Description:

Summary

On June 20 at approximately 9:30pm, Linode's Fremont datacenter lost Internet connectivity, effectively taking the site off-line. Connectivity was restored after midnight, and the site was brought back on-line around 12:39am on June 21. Linode says that a power outage was responsible, but that's all the information they've given. More than half of the machines in the Groups.io cluster were rebooted during this process. All machines came back up without issues.

Action Items

I was not paged when the site went down; I happened to notice it at about 10pm. The system I use to check whether the entire site is reachable failed to notify me in this instance. I need to fix that.

Groups.io is hosted in only one datacenter. To avoid this type of downtime in the future, a multi-datacenter setup will be needed. I have a technical path to get there, but it greatly complicates the system. Given that this is only the second time in four years that the datacenter has gone down, moving to a multi-datacenter setup is low priority right now.

Thanks, Mark

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moderated Re: Event: Data center power loss #outage - Wednesday, 20 June 2018 #cal-invite #outage

 

Mark,
Thanks for the invite to this outage. Darn, I missed it! ;p
Seriously: as long as no data was lost, I agree with the low priority.
Thanks for the info!
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moderated Event: Data center power loss #outage - Wednesday, 20 June 2018 #cal-invite #outage

main@beta.groups.io Calendar <main@...>
 

Data center power loss #outage

When:
Wednesday, 20 June 2018 9:30pm to
Thursday, 21 June 2018 12:39am
(GMT-07:00) America/Los Angeles

Description:

Summary

On June 20 at approximately 9:30pm, Linode's Fremont datacenter lost Internet connectivity, effectively taking the site off-line. Connectivity was restored after midnight, and the site was brought back on-line around 12:39am on June 21. Linode says that a power outage was responsible, but that's all the information they've given. More than half of the machines in the Groups.io cluster were rebooted during this process. All machines came back up without issues.

Action Items

I was not paged when the site went down; I happened to notice it at about 10pm. The system I use to check whether the entire site is reachable failed to notify me in this instance. I need to fix that.

Groups.io is hosted in only one datacenter. To avoid this type of downtime in the future, a multi-datacenter setup will be needed. I have a technical path to get there, but it greatly complicates the system. Given that this is only the second time in four years that the datacenter has gone down, moving to a multi-datacenter setup is low priority right now.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: Testing separate message footers

 

Reading in plain text with Pegasus Mail no footers show in the actual message
but they are in an attachment named "Plain text", where they would tend to be
missed by anyone not looking for them there. It's what I'd expect if they're in
a separate mime section.

Jim Fisher

On 19 Jun 2018 at 18:07, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi All,

Last week I added a new feature that, when enabled, puts the message
footers into a separate mime chunk, instead of appending them to the
message. This was done because the other way breaks PGP message signing,
which is important for some Enterprise groups.

I'm curious as to how well this type of message is supported by popular
email clients, so I have turned it on for beta@. Please let me know if you
notice a difference with the footers, and which email client you're using.

Thanks,
Mark
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moderated Re: Feature Request - control over where previous message is pasted in #suggestion

Carol B.
 

Thank you, Duane.

Carol B.


On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 03:04 pm, Duane wrote:
This is on the TODO list, https://trello.com/c/04Jml9FD/188

There are several items there that have been implemented, so you'll need to look them over if it's something you'd like to see.

Duane


moderated Re: Feature Request - control over where previous message is pasted in #suggestion

Duane
 

This is on the TODO list, https://trello.com/c/04Jml9FD/188

There are several items there that have been implemented, so you'll need to look them over if it's something you'd like to see.

Duane


moderated Feature Request - control over where previous message is pasted in #suggestion

Carol B.
 

My groups have a convention of typing a new message above the previous message.  I like the new ability to create an automatic signature, but it appears at the bottom of the text field.  If I click the word bubble button to quote the previous message, it is pasted above my signature.  I then have to cut my signature out and pasted it back in above the quote.

Would it be possible to change the feature so that the quote is added wherever the cursor is placed at the time we click the quote button?  This would please everyone, because we'd have the choice of whether to put it above or below our new message, depending on the conventions of our groups.

Thank you for your consideration.


moderated Problem with the way Groups.io sends group messages

Chris V
 

See
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/22405820#9379


I have just set up a group of some 300 and been hit by this 'feature'
This is MORE than just a spam issue. People sign up to talk to others of similar interested.
BUT they do not sign up to have everyone know their email address.

Because of this and the EU GDPR regulations I have had to close the group I just set up (lasted a couple of days)

For me to set up more groups larger than a handful of people this MUST be changed to send emails from only a groups.io email address


moderated Re: Testing separate message footers

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 
Edited

Hi Mark, I’ve seen no real change here. The footer still looks the same. This is speaking in the voice overs perspective. Using Apple mail on an iPhone 7.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:07 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,
 
Last week I added a new feature that, when enabled, puts the message footers into a separate mime chunk, instead of appending them to the message. This was done because the other way breaks PGP message signing, which is important for some Enterprise groups.
 
I'm curious as to how well this type of message is supported by popular email clients, so I have turned it on for beta@. Please let me know if you notice a difference with the footers, and which email client you're using.
 
Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Testing separate message footers

 

Through Outlook, the footer comes as an attachment.  At least in my group, I have many folks who are afraid of attachments and won't open emails that include them....worried about viruses, etc.  Janet

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:07 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Testing separate message footers

 

Hi All,

 

Last week I added a new feature that, when enabled, puts the message footers into a separate mime chunk, instead of appending them to the message. This was done because the other way breaks PGP message signing, which is important for some Enterprise groups.

 

I'm curious as to how well this type of message is supported by popular email clients, so I have turned it on for beta@. Please let me know if you notice a difference with the footers, and which email client you're using.

 

Thanks,

Mark


moderated Re: Testing separate message footers

Sharon Villines
 

It is okay in Apple Mail set to text only.

On Jun 20, 2018, at 12:07 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

Last week I added a new feature that, when enabled, puts the message footers into a separate mime chunk, instead of appending them to the message. This was done because the other way breaks PGP message signing, which is important for some Enterprise groups.

I'm curious as to how well this type of message is supported by popular email clients, so I have turned it on for beta@. Please let me know if you notice a difference with the footers, and which email client you're using.

Thanks,
Mark
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moderated Re: Testing separate message footers

Dale Smith
 

I see the same differences in Thunderbird compared to the footer in other groups, except "mute this topic" is available on the second line.

Dale Smith



On 6/19/2018 10:59 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
The differences I’m seeing (using Gmail) are (1) a few options are missing in the beta footer that are there in the other footers (reply to group, reply to sender, mute this topic, new topic) and (2) the beta footer gives a text description for each option (lacking in the old version) followed by the URL, instead of just a named link as in the old footer. Otherwise it doesn’t visually appear to be any different in terms of being part of the message or not. ???

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 19, 2018, at 9:07 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

Last week I added a new feature that, when enabled, puts the message footers into a separate mime chunk, instead of appending them to the message. This was done because the other way breaks PGP message signing, which is important for some Enterprise groups.

I'm curious as to how well this type of message is supported by popular email clients, so I have turned it on for beta@. Please let me know if you notice a difference with the footers, and which email client you're using.

Thanks,
Mark
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moderated Re: Testing separate message footers

Sue
 

In Pegasus Mail no footers visible when viewed as either plain text or
html. You can see the footer as a text attachment in the attachment pane

Likewise in Outlook both on laptop and android phone. (Outlook not
Outlook.com).

Sue

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