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moderated Re: Fixed Width Formatting

Alexis
 

fair enough, but as this is already done when viewing the source code, it should just be a case of adding that existing coding elsewhere

On 11/05/2018 07:50, Bruce Bowman wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 06:28 pm, Alexis wrote:
If I create this on the website then the 'column' alignment disappears due
to the width of each character. But creating it, like i have now using
thunderbird, set to plain text, is appears fine.
It's not just the width of the characters. By default, browsers collapse
multiple spaces into a single space unless you use the HTML nbsp character.
Throw in proportional fonts and it's rare that things will line up. Overcoming
this will require both bracketing the desired text in <PRE> tags and using a
monospaced font (like Consolas or Courier).
Bruce


moderated Export group

 

Hi All,

I just pushed a new Export Group function to the site, accessible from the Group Settings page, replacing the archive export. You can now export all parts of your group (and subgroups), in a handy zip file. The one thing I'm not yet exporting are any wiki page images, but that'll happen. Also, I may tweak some of the json bits, especially around who uploaded what, to make things more clear.

Please let me know if you see anything buggy.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

Duane
 

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 08:15 pm, Steve wrote:


1. Send out an email to all group owners, letting them know of the start time
and estimated duration
If this notification is used, I'd like to have an option to turn it off. I really only use the site and prefer not to get any more email than I already do.

Duane


moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

 

Hi All,

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:28 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Steve,

> *1. Send out an email to all group owners, letting them know of the
> start time and estimated duration*

Perhaps group owners should have, or be offered, a default subscription to http://status.groups.io/

Hmm, that's an interesting idea. Except that I hope to at some point move that to something more self-hosted.

 
Of course the corollary to that is that the outage be listed there.

Fair point!

 

Anyone remember this guy?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shalf/6210313586/

Also my doing. :-)

I had been meaning to update the maintenance page. It didn't even have the Groups.io logo. So, I've made it a bit more serious, but it still has a link to the cats.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Fixed Width Formatting

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 06:28 pm, Alexis wrote:
If I create this on the website then the 'column' alignment disappears due to the width of each character. But creating it, like i have now using thunderbird, set to plain text, is appears fine.
It's not just the width of the characters. By default, browsers collapse multiple spaces into a single space unless you use the HTML nbsp character. Throw in proportional fonts and it's rare that things will line up. Overcoming this will require both bracketing the desired text in <PRE> tags and using a monospaced font (like Consolas or Courier).

Bruce


moderated Re: Email daily summary

Tom Vail
 

Okay, it is working now.  Seems it doesn't kick in until the next summary is sent out, which was this morning.

Thanks,
Tom


moderated Re: Email daily summary

Tom Vail
 

Aron,

If the screenshot I copy/pasted into the first post had remained in place (now it is just a.  I'll try again and attach) it would have shown that the daily summary button is already set.  And going back to it right now shows it still set, but I'm still getting every message?

Peace,
Tom


moderated Re: Email daily summary

Arno Martens
 

I already answered in your duplicate post.
Click on any message to open the web post, click Subscription right above the currently highlit Messages, click the radio button Daily Digest.
Arno


moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

Arno Martens
 

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 02:06 am, Dave Sergeant wrote:

My only gripe with the downtime announcements is that they should be
given directly in UTC rather than USA Pacific time (UTC-8) when we have
to do a mental calculation in our heads to work out when it is.
Agree with that, being at UTC-5 (well, UTC-4 now during Daylight Savings Time).
What I would really like to see is the elimination of the horrific AM and PM which, of course, will allow for simple calculation.


moderated Re: Email daily summary

Arno Martens
 

Click Subscription above and check the Daily Digest radio button.
Working well for me.
Arno


moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

Dave Sergeant
 

In this particular case the downtime was relatively short (but during
daytime in the UK) that most would not even have been aware of it.
Longer time outages should maybe be given more publicity but I am not
sure a blanket posting to all groups would really help.

My only gripe with the downtime announcements is that they should be
given directly in UTC rather than USA Pacific time (UTC-8) when we have
to do a mental calculation in our heads to work out when it is.

As for cats, I had not even noticed them in my plain text emails...

Dave

On 11 May 2018 at 1:55, Chris Jones via Groups.Io wrote:

Indeed it was, but to a limited audience on beta. Not all groups are
represented on beta, or the GMF for that matter. Not by a very wide
margin...

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 12:26 am, Ruthie Levi wrote:

the outage was announced well in advance

Indeed it was, but to a limited audience on beta. Not all groups are represented on beta, or the GMF for that matter. Not by a very wide margin...

 

there was a banner across the groups home page yesterday, well in advance

See my post on GMF yesterday; if my experience is in any way typical then most Groups.io users don't use the web access much, if at all.

 

mark’s playground, his rules, his cats

True for free groups, but I'm not sure that you can say that about "paid - for" ones.

Chris


moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

Ruthie Levi
 

the outage was announced well in advance

there was a banner across the groups home page yesterday, well in advance

mark’s playground, his rules, his cats

& how long was the outage for???

 

sheesh, in the realm of what to complain about & considering from where most of us came(yahoogroups), this outage was so well handled, my group mods were incredibly pleased. but hey, my group is only the most active & most popular on IO, so what do we know?! 😊

 

peace out, people,

 

ruthie levi

 

original msg:

"Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...
From: Steve
Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 20:15:12 PDT

When you have advance notice that the groups.io site needs to be turned off for maintenance, etc.

1. Send out an email to all group owners, letting them know of the start time and estimated duration

2. Do #1 with as much advance notice as you can provide, so owners can alert their members

3. Can the cat pictures.
  It may have been cute when groups.io started, but it's time to "grow up" and put up a professional message of the site's status, so that any member who didn't get a heads up from their group owner, knows what's going on.

Seriously, please.

 

 


moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:28 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
I see nothing wrong with this bit of whimsy. Growing up is optional, even with the largest of tech companies.
I have to agree with that, though I agree that the planned downtime could have been better announced, particularly for paid - for groups.

Chris


moderated Re: Fixed Width Formatting

 

Alexis,

I was under the impression that all plain text emails had a max line
length of 80 is it?
80 includes the ASCII CR and LF characters that terminate the line. So 78 message characters. But that's the original email standard.

In the current standard:

2.1.1. Line Length Limits

There are two limits that this specification places on the number of
characters in a line. Each line of characters MUST be no more than
998 characters, and SHOULD be no more than 78 characters, excluding
the CRLF.
...
Again, even though this limitation is put
on messages, it is incumbent upon implementations that display
messages to handle an arbitrarily large number of characters in a
line (certainly at least up to the 998 character limit) for the sake
of robustness.
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5322.txt

As for HTML emails, well I think they are the anti christ and besides,
any properly formatted HTML email SHOULD have a plain text version as
well.
Heh, while I've often said something similar, a proposal to display the text/plain part instead of the text/HTML part in a Multipart/Alternative message body would be a separate option (I'd think) from just providing a fixed-pitch font option.

What I missed out was that all my lists are set to plain text only, so
html is not an issue....so your suggestion of adding it to a group's
settings opposed to a user's settings, makes more sense.
No, I specifically did NOT suggest that it be a group setting. Rather a viewing option, more like forward or reverse date order when looking at a list of messages. Something you can change on the spot when you see that a message doesn't look the way you want it to.

Shal

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moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

 

Steve,

*1. Send out an email to all group owners, letting them know of the
start time and estimated duration*
Perhaps group owners should have, or be offered, a default subscription to http://status.groups.io/

Of course the corollary to that is that the outage be listed there.

*3. /Can the cat pictures/. It may have been cute when groups.io
started, but it's time to "grow up" and put up a professional message
of the site's status, ...
I see nothing wrong with this bit of whimsy. Growing up is optional, even with the largest of tech companies.
https://www.google.com/doodles

Anyone remember this guy?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shalf/6210313586/

Shal


moderated Re: Fixed Width Formatting

Alexis
 

I was under the impression that all plain text emails had a max line length of 80 is it? Can't remember exactly offhand. Anyways, with that, there should be no issues with the line being too long for the display window. Unless of course the email has not been properly formatted.

As for HTML emails, well I think they are the anti christ and besides, any properly formatted HTML email SHOULD have a plain text version as well.

What I missed out was that all my lists are set to plain text only, so html is not an issue....so your suggestion of adding it to a group's settings opposed to a user's settings, makes more sense.

Alexis

On 10/05/2018 23:49, Shal Farley wrote:
Alexis,

> So that is all I am asking, that we have the option to 'add' the <pre>
> tag to all messages we view online
I'd recommend against <pre>, as it has the primary effect of eliminating word-wrap and replacing it with a horizontal scroll (when the source line is too long for the display window).
Rather I'd suggest what you started with: use a fixed pitch font.
I think it makes sense to apply to messages that have only a text/plain message body. I'm not sure if it would be useful or just annoying to apply it as a default font for text/HTML message bodies.
Shal


moderated Re: Fixed Width Formatting

 

Alexis,

So that is all I am asking, that we have the option to 'add' the <pre>
tag to all messages we view online
I'd recommend against <pre>, as it has the primary effect of eliminating word-wrap and replacing it with a horizontal scroll (when the source line is too long for the display window).

Rather I'd suggest what you started with: use a fixed pitch font.

I think it makes sense to apply to messages that have only a text/plain message body. I'm not sure if it would be useful or just annoying to apply it as a default font for text/HTML message bodies.

Shal


moderated Re: Fixed Width Formatting

 

Alexis,

Might it be possible to have a 'fixed width formatting' option when
viewing messages on the web front end.
I second that motion.

If it is possible, might you be able to make a setting in each
member's profile so they view all messages in this format, or if not,
how about within each group's setting's details.
I'd rather have it be handy, as a view option when looking at messages. I'd have it apply to all the text/plain message bodies being displayed on the current page. I'd like to have it remembered as you navigate the site.

That is, I'd rather not have it tucked away in my profile where I have to go find it to change it, nor would I (as a member) want to have to pester the group admins to change it on a group-wide basis.

Shal


moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

 

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 08:15 pm, Steve wrote:
Can the cat pictures.
That would be unacceptable! >_<
 
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J

 

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