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moderated Re: Give group owners control over how subscriptions are processed #suggestion

Michael Chopra
 

 hi. First of all, I don’t want to be accused of hijacking a thread. But could you not also say that group owners/moderators should be able to control what the member has to give when they subscribe? Essentially, what I’m saying is the owner or Moderators  could configure it so that other options have to be required in order to gain approval to the group.
Thanks.
From Michael.  

 


From: main@beta.groups.io on behalf of Charles M. Register <charlie.register@...>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 10:33
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] Give group owners control over how subscriptions are processed #suggestion
 
Suggestion: Give group owners control over how subscriptions are processed

Background: When a person who is not already a Groups.io member sends a group subscription request via email (via groupname+subscribe@groups.io), they must confirm their email address before they are placed on the group's "pending approval" list.  This is typical listserv behavior expected by most owner/moderators.

However, if they subscribe through the "Apply for Membership" button on a group's web page, they are immediately placed on the group's "pending approval" list, and assigned a "NC" (not confirmed) tag.  This has caught some group owner/moderators unawares (myself included).

I understand from previous discussions that this process is by design.  I also understand that it is problematic for some group owner/moderators.  For one thing, it is too easy to approve an unconfirmed address, which is not good security practice.

Rather than reopen the debate about the merits of this process design, I suggest a possible enhancement that would serve as a workaround for those who find it problematic:

Specific Suggestion: Add a group configuration option that controls the "Apply for Membership" button.  This could have the following options:

1. Make the button work as it does now (default);
2. Make the button not show at all on the group's main page;
3. Make the button a "mailto" link directed to the groupname+subscribe address;
4. Make the button a link to an owner-supplied URL.

           -- Charlie


moderated Give group owners control over how subscriptions are processed #suggestion

Charlie McB
 

Suggestion: Give group owners control over how subscriptions are processed

Background: When a person who is not already a Groups.io member sends a group subscription request via email (via groupname+subscribe@groups.io), they must confirm their email address before they are placed on the group's "pending approval" list.  This is typical listserv behavior expected by most owner/moderators.

However, if they subscribe through the "Apply for Membership" button on a group's web page, they are immediately placed on the group's "pending approval" list, and assigned a "NC" (not confirmed) tag.  This has caught some group owner/moderators unawares (myself included).

I understand from previous discussions that this process is by design.  I also understand that it is problematic for some group owner/moderators.  For one thing, it is too easy to approve an unconfirmed address, which is not good security practice.

Rather than reopen the debate about the merits of this process design, I suggest a possible enhancement that would serve as a workaround for those who find it problematic:

Specific Suggestion: Add a group configuration option that controls the "Apply for Membership" button.  This could have the following options:

1. Make the button work as it does now (default);
2. Make the button not show at all on the group's main page;
3. Make the button a "mailto" link directed to the groupname+subscribe address;
4. Make the button a link to an owner-supplied URL.

           -- Charlie


moderated Caption for cover photo

 

Mark,

It would be nice to have a text box on the Cover Photo tab of the Settings page that would place a caption under the group's cover photo. E.g. a photo credit.

It could be an overlay on the photo, in the manner of the photo file names when looking at an album, but I wouldn't want it to be too prominent - the idea is a credit or caption, not a title.

Shal


moderated Re: Starting separate thread on new "email" feature

 

I want to add that I consider the PM shutoff option to be urgent. If a shutoff option can't be quickly installed, I am strongly requesting that the feature be turned off entirely for the time being. Thanks for the consideration.
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moderated Re: Starting separate thread on new "email" feature

 

Ro posted this comment in the updates thread, so I'm adding it here:
"Please install a control for owners,,, over ride group member sending emails from the profile or private." 
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/18813

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J

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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Ro wrote:
my post also refers to the email option when clicking on a profile. 
Yes, posts crossing, I was confused because you used the word "override." I totally agree with you on needing controls over PM'ing.
 
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J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 11:07 AM, Ro wrote:
Please install a control for owners,,, over ride group member sending emails from the profile or private.
Walking back, since you used the word "override" I assumed you were talking about the topic/hashtag change. I totally agree with you about the control over PMs and even started a separate thread about it.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Ro
 

my post also refers to the email option when clicking on a profile.   I dont have time to read all of beta and all the back and forth that goes on with every change.   I do agree that I dont want to make private emailing easier, and if it IS made easier, then I want a shut off.   If those are not the changes listed, then I will eventually get to the right thread,,, maybe.   Moving, intermittent internet,,, no time for multiple posts or corrections.

Ro


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Hi Ro, I think your group settings won't be over-ridden unless you specifically sent a hashtag accordingly and apply it to a topic. This does not cause any loss of group control. (Caveat: I still haven't read through it for the interactions and the nuances but am planning to do that soon.)
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Ro
 

This really annoys me.  I dont WANT my group settings over ridden!  Why, every time there is a change, do we have to fight and discuss endlessly for there to be a group setting to control this stuff, and allow those group owners who dont want it, to be able to shut it off.   Instead there is endless discussion and back an forth every single time.   Please install a control for owners,,, over ride group member sending emails from the profile or private.  

Ro


moderated Re: Upload Progress Bar

Ken Schweizer
 

Duane,

 

I agree, that would be a good enhancement. Until it works itself to the top of the "to do" list I have been using the "Ethernet" graph in Window's Task Manager to ensure data is being transferred.

 

Ken

 

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." God

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Duane
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:08 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Upload Progress Bar

 

I would also like to see this.  While doing some testing yesterday, I was uploading some really big files, 270-500 MB.  During the upload, all I saw was a box in my browser saying "Sending request to groupname".  Having a connection that's not the best in the world, I kept wondering if the files were actually being uploaded or if the connection was even good.  I eventually hovered on my Network Activity icon on my task bar and could see that they were doing something, albeit slowly.

Duane


moderated Re: Upload Progress Bar

Duane
 

I would also like to see this.  While doing some testing yesterday, I was uploading some really big files, 270-500 MB.  During the upload, all I saw was a box in my browser saying "Sending request to groupname".  Having a connection that's not the best in the world, I kept wondering if the files were actually being uploaded or if the connection was even good.  I eventually hovered on my Network Activity icon on my task bar and could see that they were doing something, albeit slowly.

Duane


moderated Starting separate thread on new "email" feature

 

I think there are some serious problems with this feature. First, the one that has already been mentioned: the feature basically undoes the "disable other reply options" in groups that have that set. My group is set to reply-to-group and has other reply options disabled. But with the email feature, all someone has to do to reply to the sender is click on their profile (assuming they have one) and then on "email."

Second, as Bruce has noted, the email feature can be used to send someone email only if they have their profile set to be accessible to group members, and that is how it should be. However, the converse is not true - that is, there is no possibility for someone to have their profile set to be accessible to group members and NOT make themselves available to anyone who wants to PM them. I am really opposed to this. I dislike getting offlist emails from people and don't want to have to make my profile invisible just in order to avoid it.

So I think some controls are in order: (1) create a way for a group to disable the feature altogether (e.g., as Bruce has suggested, tie it to the directory being visible or not to members); and (2) create an option for an individual member to disable the feature as it applies to others sending them emails.
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J

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moderated Re: Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

Lots of luck on training members
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • NEW: Topics can have a reply to setting that overrides the group's reply to (and any associated hash tags).
  • NEW: Replaced the Reply To Sender Only checkbox on hashtags with a dropdown, allowing you to override the group's reply to setting.
  • NEW: When a subscriber is viewing a member's profile, display the Email button to send them an email.
  • CHANGE: You can now like messages in topics that are closed (matches email behavior now)
  • BUGFIX: Crash fix for database map view when geocoding cannot find a proper lat/long for an address.
  • BUGFIX: Crash fix when exporting event responses.
  • INTERNAL: Updated logrus logging package and fixed the logging when running a web server in development.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Hashtag and Topic reply to overrides

 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 04:15 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
This is a bit complicated, I know. Please let me know if you see any bugs or have suggestions for improvements.
I'll get back to you next week on it! :-)
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Suggestion: Ability to send PM from a member's profile page #suggestion

 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 06:43 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
If I understand correctly, other group subscribers (and the Public) cannot see a profile unless this setting is changed, whether the Directory is enabled or not.
I think that's correct, but it does nothing to solve the problem of groups that want to prohibit (or minimize, because you can't completely prohibit) offlist conversation, since it's under the individual members' (rather than the moderator's) control. I would go with tying the PM function to accessibility of the directory.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Suggestion: Ability to send PM from a member's profile page #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 08:02 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I'm not sure. Of course if the user has not established a profile, the profile would not be available to anyone (I'm not sure what you mean by "shared profile"?). However, I don't think it has anything to do with the directory. I think you can just click on a member's profile at the bottom of the member's message, whether or not the directory has been disabled.
Each profile has a Profile Privacy setting. The default is Moderators and Owners. If I understand correctly, other group subscribers (and the Public) cannot see a profile unless this setting is changed, whether the Directory is enabled or not.

At least that's the way things appear when I log on with a Subscriber account in my own group. If someone were to do the same in a different group and verify this behavior, I would appreciate the sanity check.

Making profiles unavailable if the directory is disabled (assuming that's not already the case) would solve the problem, though.
I agree and would support that.

Bruce


moderated Re: Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

ro-esp
 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 08:15 PM, Chris Jones wrote:

If a thread has been highjacked , rather than drifted off - topic, then
perhaps the *Delete* function might be more appropriate.
Yes, members need to be taught to not use the reply-button when they are not replying, and to change the subjectline

groetjes, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

ro-esp
 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 08:01 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:

Also, many may find it more helpful if terminology was consistent across the
platform and between menus and help/instructions, e.g., is it a *Topic* or
a *Thread?* (etc.)
A topic is something you talk about. A thread is a bunch of messages that belong together because they are replies to eachother (and have the same subjectline).


groetjes, Ronaldo

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