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moderated Comma separated addresses for Invite

Walter Underwood
 

I just edited an email “To” line with 28 addresses to be one address per line so I could send invitations. I probably should have done that with query-replace in Emacs, but it would be even better if the Invite box also accepted comma-separated addresses.

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Walter Underwood
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moderated Re: Suggestion: Ability to send PM from a member's profile page #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

And when you add in the figleafing of e-mail addresses in the forum interface, it becomes a real nightmare.

I cannot count the number of times where someone has, through the e-mail interface, offered an e-mail address that I still have no access to since I have the "No email" option set for all groups I am on, except when testing.  And it does no good at all to switch to e-mail delivery after the fact and then have to ask for it to be repeated again, as that gets annoying to the group at large and the person who's already given the information.

Not that I'm expecting it will change, ever, but I will go on record again that I despise the figleafing of e-mail addresses on the web interface.  We all have spam trapping and it's a myth that any e-mail address is private in any meaningful sense of the word private.  Once it's drifted through cyberspace just by being used to send e-mail it can be sniffed out by anyone wanting to do so.
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moderated Calander

David Haun
 

I am extremely happy with groups.io and think the CALENDAR the best around.  There was a comment a few months ago about the option of having the first day of the week being Monday.  Is that still under consideration?
David


moderated Re: Approval link ABOVE pending message? #suggestion

Max H.
 

Awesome, I can't believe how fast that was! Thanks, Mark!


moderated Re: Approval link ABOVE pending message? #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 10:25 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I've removed that text.
The "new format" notification is definitely a Marked improvement over the old.

Pun entirely deliberate.

Chris.


moderated Re: Suggestion: Ability to send PM from a member's profile page #suggestion

 

Brian,

An additional factor, unless I'm just inventing this from
the whole cloth, is that group owners can choose to have private
directories, in which case there's no way to establish off-group
contact with a member who is not averse to same with ease.
Correct. The Directory can be limited to Moderators and Owners, or may be disabled entirely.

Shal


moderated Re: Language Definition of Spam

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 10:29 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
The proper instruct would be to list what one CAN DO.
Neither a "permitted" or "forbidden list," alone, is sufficient.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 
     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


moderated Re: Language Definition of Spam

KWKloeber
 

If one keeps going down the rabbit hole on topics/actions that one CAN’T do, you’ll end up in China.  It’s a never-ending/ever-expansive list one could generate.  And then it requires narrowly defining each item so there’s no end-around possible. 

The proper instruct would be to list what one CAN DO. The rest is, by exclusion, not allowed.  eg, messages directly related to the topic; or related to the stated purpose of the particular group; or whatever would pass the censor’s muster; not what wouldn’t get past the 6-second delay. 


moderated Re: Approval link ABOVE pending message? #suggestion

 

Excellent, thank you!

Helen


moderated Re: Approval link ABOVE pending message? #suggestion

 

Hi,

I've removed that text.

Thanks,
Mark

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:51 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:50 PM, Helen wrote:
even if I didn't, the above wording would not narrow it down in any way
Great point. 
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Approval link ABOVE pending message? #suggestion

 

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:50 PM, Helen wrote:
even if I didn't, the above wording would not narrow it down in any way
Great point. 
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Approval link ABOVE pending message? #suggestion

 

I can live with that, but do we really also have to have this bit?

A message was sent to the group https://groupname.io/g/groupname from a@ that needs to be approved. This action requires your approval for one of the following reasons:

Your group is set to moderate all activity from this user, OR
Your group is set to moderate activity from all users, OR
This is a reply to a thread that is moderated

This fills my entire preview panel, meaning I have to scroll down to see the actual pendingmessage, which is not good if I'm in a hurry and trying to see what needs my attention before I go out..

I also don't see what value the three things above add. I already know this is a moderated message, that's why it's landed in my inbox. I usually remember why people are moderated, but even if I didn't, the above wording would not narrow it down in any way.

If we must have this additional wording, could it be placed below the pending message please.

Thanks.

Helen


moderated Re: Language Definition of Spam

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I know you weren't responding to me, but I want to say I couldn't agree more.

That being said, I would say that most people, and I do mean the vast majority, recognize spam on sight, and would not consider an off-topic post as spam, because it isn't.  I found the inclusion of off-topic messages with spam a bit muddled myself.  An off topic message or even thread is not spam, though different groups have different cultures surrounding whether or not same is tolerated.

The definition of SPAM has expanded as `new and improved` versions appear.  It really is a category, somewhat like obscenity, in that most people know it when they see it, though some are a bit more sensitive than others as to what might meet either category.  But off-topic post(s) by otherwise valued members isn't.

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          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


moderated Re: Suggestion: Ability to send PM from a member's profile page #suggestion

 

Actually now that I think about it, that's the same as being able to mark a topic "reply to sender," which I suggested in a previous thread should be an option and which Mark said he now wants to implement.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Suggestion: Ability to send PM from a member's profile page #suggestion

 

An alternative (although not very aesthetic) that would solve this particular problem is to have an option "lock topic except for private replies" (which would be disabled in a group that disallows private replies). However, you'd then run into the problem - discussed here aeons ago - that in the current UI, you have to first click "reply" and only after that, click "private."
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Language Definition of Spam

Sharon Villines
 

Off topic is off topic. Some topics are broad and whether something is off topic may be in the eye of the beholder.

Spam is a much more specifically defined kind of email that attempts, usually, to produce financial gain. An off topic post sent to one list, no matter the size of the list, it isn’t SPAM. It’s just unwanted email.

From the University of Indiana knowledge base:
https://kb.iu.edu/d/afne

The term "spam" is internet slang that refers to unsolicited commercial email (UCE) or unsolicited bulk email (UBE). Some people refer to this kind of communication as junk email to equate it with the paper junk mail that comes through the US Mail. Unsolicited email most often contains advertisements for services or products, but very few reputable marketers use UCE to advertise. The most commonly seen spam includes the following:

• Phishing scams, a very popular and dangerous form of email fraud
• Foreign bank scams or advance fee fraud schemes
• Pyramid schemes, including multilevel marketing (MLM)
• Other "Get Rich Quick" or "Make Money Fast" (MMF) schemes
• Quack health products and remedies
• Ads for pornographic websites
• Offers of software for collecting email addresses and sending UCE
• Offers of bulk emailing services for sending UCE
• Chain letters (see About chain mail)
• Illegally pirated software ("Warez”)
Calling off topic posts SPAM muddles the meanings of both SPAM and off topic. Labelling an innocent list member a junk mail scammer can’t be an advantage that merits changing the definition of SPAM.

Wikipedia expands the definition to also include infected emails spreading viruses. worms, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_spam

Some off-topic posters may be just bugging the moderator and other members — but it still isn’t spam by any definition I can find.

Sharon
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moderated Re: Suggestion: Ability to send PM from a member's profile page #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Shal,

           An additional factor, unless I'm just inventing this from the whole cloth, is that group owners can choose to have private directories, in which case there's no way to establish off-group contact with a member who is not averse to same with ease.

           And before anyone jumps in and says, "But we don't want people talking outside the group," the ability to make a group have a private directory or to disable even access to member profiles appears to be built in to Groups.io, so you can set things up already to prevent this.  I'm talking about groups where its entirely reasonable that one might wish to contact another member privately about something, whether group related or not.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 
     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


moderated Re: Approval link ABOVE pending message? #suggestion

 

Hi All,

I just added a 'View this message online" link at the top of pending message notification emails.

Cheers,
Mark

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:37 PM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
This could tie in with the TODO item to put other buttons at the top of messages, https://trello.com/c/R256nFIk/180

Duane


moderated Re: Suggestion: Ability to send PM from a member's profile page #suggestion

 

Brian,


I clicked through to his profile thinking, "Oh, I'll just send a PM, as what I'd like to tell him really isn't support related," but that option does not exist.

Agreed, the Email button (available on member entries in the Directory) ought to be duplicated in the actual profile page.

That's bugged me before, especially since there's no way to easily get to the entry in the Directory if one got to the profile from a message.
Shal


moderated Re: icon for private-reply topics #suggestion

 

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 9:15 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
This is a related, but IMO extremely important, oversight: A topic tagged with a locked hashtag is clearly marked as locked. But a topic tagged with a moderated hashtag is NOT shown as moderated. Several times in a row, I thought a moderated hashtag was not working as expected because the icon didn't show up. But it always turns out that the thread IS moderated. You just can't see that it is.

Topics with a tag that is moderated will now display a moderated icon in the Topics view.

I agree with the rest of this topic about adding the hashtag settings to topics themselves. But that involves a bit more coding.

Thanks,
Mark 

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