The moderator UI and member experience for rejected messages is a bit crude:

o The rejection composition box does not show the subject line
o The rejection composition box does not show the rejected message
o The rejection composition box cannot be moved out of the way
o The rejection composition box has no formatting tools
o The rejection text is stripped of formatting even though the email is sent as formatted (multipart/mixed) and the Member Notice edit box has formatting tools.

If there's a reason to force a boilerplate surround you could model the UI on the Invite or Direct Add notices, but I don't see a compelling reason for the boilerplate. I'd prefer that both Subject line and message body be fully under the group owner/moderator's control.

One thing the current mechanism does correctly is that it has a drop-list to select one of the stored notices (of type Rejected Message) so that the initial Subject and text can be chosen ad-hoc. I would not want that functionality to be lost.

The designation of one of the Member Notices (of this type) as "Active" would then apply to rejection by email; and may be used as a default for the drop-list choice when rejecting by web. Either or both of these may already be true (I didn't test them).

Shal

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 09:26 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yep I do that all the time.

The issue being that very often the last thing I want to do is to lose all of the formatting I've done.  Something like this:
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Adding & Removing Scan Exclusions in Windows Defender Security Center

The following steps were created using the Windows 10 Version 1803 version of Windows Defender Security Center:

1. Open Windows Defender Security Center.
2. Navigate to Virus & threat protection pane then activate the Virus & threat protection settings link then activate the Add or remove exclusions link.
3. Select Add an exclusion.
4. Select File or Folder depending on what you wish to exclude.  Options for Process or a File type are also presented, but these are used relatively rarely.
5. Navigate to the file and/or folder where Defender is being told to skip scanning and press Enter.
6. When User Account Control appears, respond Yes to continue.

If you wish to remove something from the exclusions list, follow steps 1 thru 3, but then select an item in the exclusions list, then click Remove and respond Yes when UAC appears.

 

Temporarily Disabling Windows Defender

1.       Open Windows Defender Security Center.

2.       Navigate to the Virus & threat protection pane then activate the Virus & threat protection settings.

3.      Locate the Real-time protection toggle (it’s currently the first item as of this writing) and throw it to OFF.

4.      Respond Yes to the UAC prompt to allow changes.

5.      If you wish to turn Windows Defender back on manually before it would come back on automatically, repeat the above but throw the toggle back to ON in step three.  You will still receive a UAC prompt to allow that change to occur.

 

 

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Neither looks nor "reads" the same without the formatting that distinguishes response items from instructions.

If I wanted plain text I'd create in plain text.  I don't and I don't and I also don't want to have to redo the work of setting up bold, italic, etc., all over again after a paste.

Like I've said, I'm aware of virtually any workaround you can name, they just often involve compromises to the formatting that I just do not wish to make.
 
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     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Yep I do that all the time. In fact my professors still recommend  that at the university  where I went to school a few years ago.

An old trick is to copy and paste from complexly formatted documents into a text editor like notepad or Emacs, then recopy and paste from the text editor to strip out formatting.

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 06:10 am, Arno Martens wrote:

This may be a tad in the simplistic side but, why not save as txt, then copy an paste.

The issue here is not workarounds, which may or may not work (as I tried several proposed), but that WYSIWYG functionality is broken.

It's not that I don't appreciate the workaround proposals, because I do, but the two earlier ones did not work though this one might.   None should be necessary, but I've been around the block enough times to know that "being necessary" in theory and in practice are two distinctly different things.

The issue is, however, resolved.
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This may be a tad in the simplistic side but, why not save as txt, then copy an paste.
Arno

I found an old thread for 4/15 talking about the ability to create photo sub-albums.  Is that still something on the list of fun things to do?  It would get my vote as a great improvement.

Peace,
Tom

There is an option to make a photo folder "private" but there does not seem to be a corresponding feature for files, or am I missing something?  This would seem like a logical inclusion in file management.

Peace,

Tom

I did some further checking.  By inserting that one line without a number, it stopped the numbering and started over when the next paragraph was started.  It looks to me like the correct thing to do would have been allow it to be numbered, go to the beginning of that line, hit backspace to remove the number, and it should have resumed on the following paragraph.  At least that's what the manual says to do to get a temporary break.

One thing I've learned in my 4+ decades of computing is that you can't always believe what the software sellers tell you.  I've been doing html for years in notepad, so it's easier to catch those little glitches that can pop up.  It usually happens when you make an exception, such as you did here, to the expected flow.  Without that inserted italic line, there would have been no problem.

Duane

On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 04:12 pm, Duane wrote:

Where the 'error' occurred is where some text was inserted using a different font.  In viewing the source, it shows a span to yet another font, then closes without using it.  I suspect that without that section, it would have worked fine.

There is a reason WYSIWYG is supposed to be just that and most of us, including those such as myself with decades of computing experience, rely on it to be just that.

I don't read or write HTML and all web "coding" I've ever done was, a long time ago, using MS-Word to make simple webpages and later on using kompozer.
 
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On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 03:36 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:

expecting a cut and paste of formatted text from a word processor into a web compose window to work, at least in general.

It looks to me like it did work generally.  Where the 'error' occurred is where some text was inserted using a different font.  In viewing the source, it shows a span to yet another font, then closes without using it.  I suspect that without that section, it would have worked fine.

Duane

Well, tested elsewhere and am having the same issue.  Afterward I changed just one thing, the line break to separate out the italic phrase regarding returning to step 2. Now, inexplicably, when I cut and paste now straight out of the .docx, what I get is 100% correct.  So, while the cause of the original issue remains a mystery it's corrected now for future cut and pastes.
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If you have never used the groups.io website, you will need to follow the instructions just below to get a password so that you can log in to the site.  Otherwise jump straight on to the section, Advanced Preferences for Your Group Subscription, for the preferences that give you precise control over the messages you’ll receive from groups.io, and in what format, afterward review the section, Groups.io Message Reply and Other Options Sent In Individual Messages and Digests.   Note:  the easiest way to log out of the Groups.io web interface is simply to enter https://groups.io/logout in the address box of your browser and then navigate to that page.  You don’t need to locate the link showing your name, activating it to get the drop down menu, then choosing log out from that menu.

 

Getting a Password to Log in to the Groups.io Website

If you’ve subscribed via e-mail you have a Groups.io login id, your e-mail address, but you’ve never been assigned a password for the website.  To get one:

1.  In your web browser, go to the Groups.io main site login page:  https://groups.io/login

2.  Find the “Forgot your password?” link and activate it.

3.  A page with a single edit box, e-mail address will open.  Enter your e-mail address in it.

4. Navigate to the one and only button on the page, “Email Link to Log In,” and activate it.

5. Watch your e-mail, including your spam/junk box, for a message from Groups.io that will contain a link you need to activate that takes you to your Groups.io profile page where you set your password.  This is the password you’ll use to log in to any Groups.io group webpage where you wish to do something, such as changing your preferences, that requires you to be logged in to do.  You are, at this stage, actually logged in.

 

 

 

 

Advanced Preferences for Your Group Subscription

Adapted for Screen Reader Users by Timothy Wynn

 

These preferences allow you to get very precise control over what messages you will receive in e-mail from groups.io and the format in which you’ll receive them.  You can significantly decrease the amount of e-mail you receive from high-traffic groups while also being able to decide what's important enough to keep an eye on.

Once you get to the main Groups.io webpage, https://groups.io, you will need to navigate to the "Log In" (two words) link and activate it. Once you've entered your username, which is the e-mail address you've used to subscribe to the group(s) you routinely read, and password, activate the "Log In" button and you will be taken to the "Your Subscriptions" page.

1. If your browser window is not already maximized, do so now (keyboard shortcut is Alt+Space, then X or Windows+Up-arrow).
1. If the page is restored or minimized, then at the top of the page you'll see a button labeled "Toggle navigation", followed by a link with a graphic labeled "groups.io". This version of the interface will not allow you to edit any of the subscription preferences as far as I can tell.
2. If the page is maximized, then the top of the page should have a link with a graphic labeled "groups.io", followed by a link labeled "Your Groups".
2. Use your screen reader's table navigation commands to move to the first table found on this page. The columns should read "Group", "# Members", "Latest Message", and "Delivery". Move to the row for the group for which you wish to set up your advanced preferences, navigate over to the Delivery column, and activate the link found there.  This will bring up the Subscription page which contains the advanced email preferences.  You will have to start back at this step for each group for which you wish to set up the advanced mail preferences.
3. Just so you're aware these are on the Subscription page, there is a radio button cluster for the Email Delivery options: All Messages, Full Featured Digest, Plain Digest, Daily Summary, Special Notices Only, No email. This is immediately followed by two checkboxes related to using a signature: Use signature for web posting and Use signature for e-mail posting. These are followed by the signature edit box, should you wish to set up a signature that goes on to all your messages if you check one of the previously mentioned checkboxes.
4. Use your screen reader quick navigation command to find and activate the "Advanced Preferences" heading level 3 link.
5. There are three major sections to the advanced preferences:
1. Message Selection. There are two radio buttons: All Messages and Following Only. If the first is selected then every message sent to the group will be sent to you in the format you selected for e-mail delivery. If you select Following Only then the only messages you will receive are messages you've chosen to follow. There is a checkbox associated with "Following Only," "First Message Also." If this checkbox is checked it serves as a selective override such that the first message in any new topic is sent to you so that you can see it and elect to follow it with the link at the end of the message if you wish to keep monitoring this topic.
2. Replies. There is a checkbox, "Auto follow replies," which will make any topic that you start yourself, or any topic in which you reply to a message, followed. This checkbox is generally only used if you have elected to use the "Following Only" feature for message selection.
3. Max Attachment Size (only for groups that allow attachments). This is followed by a dropdown box that allows you to choose from four different maximum sizes for attachments to be delivered to you via e-mail. The default is unlimited size. If you're using an internet service with data caps you may wish to change this. If you choose the zero option it means that all attachments will be stripped before a message is sent to you.
6. Find the "Save" button and activate it to save these settings.

As you can see, if you choose a setup where you have elected to get messages with the "Following Only" option combined with the "First message also" checkbox this will greatly decrease the flow of e-mail you receive while allowing you to decide for each topic whether you wish to follow it to receive further messages or not. If you do nothing then you will not receive any additional messages for that particular topic unless you hit the link to follow it at the end of the message or reply to it, if the "auto follow replies" option was checked.

 

Groups.io Message Reply and Other Options Sent In Individual Messages and Digests

At the end of each individual  message is this collection of links:

1.       View/Reply Online followed by the Groups.io message number assigned to that message.

2.       Reply to Group (which you’ll probably never use since a straight e-mail Reply does the same thing)

3.      Reply to Sender.  This is how to send a private message to the person who sent the message you’re currently reading.  Activating this link will fire up a new message in your e-mail client of choice, including web based ones if you have that set up, and will put the e-mail address of the digest snippet’s sender in the “To:” field and put “Private:” followed by the actual topic’s “Subject” line after it. 

4.      Mute this Topic.   If you wish to stop receiving any further messages related to this topic, whether in the digest or as individual messages if you switch to that mode, activate this link. 

5.      New Topic (which you’ll probably never use because it throws you into the web interface for the group to compose a new message for a new topic.  Most will do this just by e-mailing the group posting address.

6.      A number of additional links related to the specific group, which can vary somewhat by group.

7.      A fixed collection of links:

a.      Change Your Subscription – which will take you to the Groups.io page where you can change your basic subscription options or tweak the advanced options for message delivery that I’ve written about separately.

b.      Group Home – which will take you to the Groups.io home page for the group this message originated from.

c.       Contact group owner -  uses the mailto command to cause a new, blank e-mail message to be created with the group owner address of the group already filled in.

d.      Terms of Service

e.      Unsubscribe from this Group – which throws you into the Groups.io web interface for unsubscribing from the group where this message originated.

At the end of each digest message is a collection of links:

1.       View/Reply Online followed by a count of messages in that topic already.

2.       Reply to Group (which you’ll probably never use since a straight e-mail Reply does the same thing)

3.      Reply to Sender.  This is how to send a private message to the person who sent the message in question to the group.  Activating this link will fire up a new message in your e-mail client of choice, including web based ones if you have that set up, and will put the e-mail address of the digest snippet’s sender in the “To:” field and put “Private:” followed by the actual topic’s “Subject” line after it. 

4.      Mute this Topic.   If you wish to stop receiving any further messages related to this topic, whether in the digest or as individual messages if you switch to that mode, activate this link. 

5.      Top ^, which shoots you back to the top of the e-mail message.

6.      New Topic (which you’ll probably never use because it throws you into the web interface for the group to compose a new message for a new topic.  Most will do this just by e-mailing the group posting address).

 

 

Groups.io Email Delivery & Other Control Commands That Can Be Issued by Sending an Email Message

You can send a blank email to the following email addresses (substituting your group name for GROUPNAME):

GROUPNAME+help@groups.io

To receive an automated help email containing a list of these commands plus additional information

GROUPNAME+subscribe@groups.io

To join a group

GROUPNAME+unsubscribe@groups.io

To unsubscribe from a group

GROUPNAME+owner@groups.io

To contact the owners of a group

GROUPNAME+digest@groups.io

To receive plain digests instead of individual messages

GROUPNAME+fulldigest@groups.io

To receive full featured digests instead of individual messages

GROUPNAME+summary@groups.io

To receive a daily summary instead of individual messages

GROUPNAME+single@groups.io

To receive individual messages instead of digests or a summary

GROUPNAME+special@groups.io

To only receive special messages

GROUPNAME+nomail@groups.io

To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages on the Web)

 

 

GROUPNAMEs include, but are by no means limited to:

            win10 for the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group

            jfw       for the JAWS for Windows Support Group

            nvda    for the NVDA Screen Reader Users Group

            blindtech        for the blind technology discussion group

 

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The behavior of the Groups.io compose is the same whether the source for the cut material is .docx, straight .htm., or filtered .html.

As far as I'm concerned it's just plain weird since all three show the same thing with a correctly numbered list with the visual break for the line, "You will have to start back at this step for each group for which you wish to set up the advanced mail preferences," between what should be item 2 followed by item 3, but is being rendered as item 2 followed by a new list, at the same indent level, starting with 1.

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     Knowledge consists of a collection of uninspired facts. Wisdom is their artful use.

Filtered HTML:
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[Last Update:  5/26/2018]

 

If you have never used the groups.io website, you will need to follow the instructions just below to get a password so that you can log in to the site.  Otherwise jump straight on to the section, Advanced Preferences for Your Group Subscription, for the preferences that give you precise control over the messages you’ll receive from groups.io, and in what format, afterward review the section, Groups.io Message Reply and Other Options Sent In Individual Messages and Digests.   Note:  the easiest way to log out of the Groups.io web interface is simply to enter https://groups.io/logout in the address box of your browser and then navigate to that page.  You don’t need to locate the link showing your name, activating it to get the drop down menu, then choosing log out from that menu.

 

Getting a Password to Log in to the Groups.io Website

If you’ve subscribed via e-mail you have a Groups.io login id, your e-mail address, but you’ve never been assigned a password for the website.  To get one:

1.  In your web browser, go to the Groups.io main site login page:  https://groups.io/login

2.  Find the “Forgot your password?” link and activate it.

3.  A page with a single edit box, e-mail address will open.  Enter your e-mail address in it.

4. Navigate to the one and only button on the page, “Email Link to Log In,” and activate it.

5. Watch your e-mail, including your spam/junk box, for a message from Groups.io that will contain a link you need to activate that takes you to your Groups.io profile page where you set your password.  This is the password you’ll use to log in to any Groups.io group webpage where you wish to do something, such as changing your preferences, that requires you to be logged in to do.  You are, at this stage, actually logged in.

 

 

 

 

Advanced Preferences for Your Group Subscription

Adapted for Screen Reader Users by Timothy Wynn

 

These preferences allow you to get very precise control over what messages you will receive in e-mail from groups.io and the format in which you’ll receive them.  You can significantly decrease the amount of e-mail you receive from high-traffic groups while also being able to decide what's important enough to keep an eye on.

Once you get to the main Groups.io webpage, https://groups.io, you will need to navigate to the "Log In" (two words) link and activate it. Once you've entered your username, which is the e-mail address you've used to subscribe to the group(s) you routinely read, and password, activate the "Log In" button and you will be taken to the "Your Subscriptions" page.

1. If your browser window is not already maximized, do so now (keyboard shortcut is Alt+Space, then X or Windows+Up-arrow).
1. If the page is restored or minimized, then at the top of the page you'll see a button labeled "Toggle navigation", followed by a link with a graphic labeled "groups.io". This version of the interface will not allow you to edit any of the subscription preferences as far as I can tell.
2. If the page is maximized, then the top of the page should have a link with a graphic labeled "groups.io", followed by a link labeled "Your Groups".
2. Use your screen reader's table navigation commands to move to the first table found on this page. The columns should read "Group", "# Members", "Latest Message", and "Delivery". Move to the row for the group for which you wish to set up your advanced preferences, navigate over to the Delivery column, and activate the link found there.  This will bring up the Subscription page which contains the advanced email preferences.

You will have to start back at this step for each group for which you wish to set up the advanced mail preferences.

1. Just so you're aware these are on the Subscription page, there is a radio button cluster for the Email Delivery options: All Messages, Full Featured Digest, Plain Digest, Daily Summary, Special Notices Only, No email. This is immediately followed by two checkboxes related to using a signature: Use signature for web posting and Use signature for e-mail posting. These are followed by the signature edit box, should you wish to set up a signature that goes on to all your messages if you check one of the previously mentioned checkboxes.
2. Use your screen reader quick navigation command to find and activate the "Advanced Preferences" heading level 3 link.
3. There are three major sections to the advanced preferences:
1. Message Selection. There are two radio buttons: All Messages and Following Only. If the first is selected then every message sent to the group will be sent to you in the format you selected for e-mail delivery. If you select Following Only then the only messages you will receive are messages you've chosen to follow. There is a checkbox associated with "Following Only," "First Message Also." If this checkbox is checked it serves as a selective override such that the first message in any new topic is sent to you so that you can see it and elect to follow it with the link at the end of the message if you wish to keep monitoring this topic.
2. Replies. There is a checkbox, "Auto follow replies," which will make any topic that you start yourself, or any topic in which you reply to a message, followed. This checkbox is generally only used if you have elected to use the "Following Only" feature for message selection.
3. Max Attachment Size (only for groups that allow attachments). This is followed by a dropdown box that allows you to choose from four different maximum sizes for attachments to be delivered to you via e-mail. The default is unlimited size. If you're using an internet service with data caps you may wish to change this. If you choose the zero option it means that all attachments will be stripped before a message is sent to you.
4. Find the "Save" button and activate it to save these settings.

As you can see, if you choose a setup where you have elected to get messages with the "Following Only" option combined with the "First message also" checkbox this will greatly decrease the flow of e-mail you receive while allowing you to decide for each topic whether you wish to follow it to receive further messages or not. If you do nothing then you will not receive any additional messages for that particular topic unless you hit the link to follow it at the end of the message or reply to it, if the "auto follow replies" option was checked.

 

Groups.io Message Reply and Other Options Sent In Individual Messages and Digests

At the end of each individual  message is this collection of links:

1.       View/Reply Online followed by the Groups.io message number assigned to that message.

2.       Reply to Group (which you’ll probably never use since a straight e-mail Reply does the same thing)

3.      Reply to Sender.  This is how to send a private message to the person who sent the message you’re currently reading.  Activating this link will fire up a new message in your e-mail client of choice, including web based ones if you have that set up, and will put the e-mail address of the digest snippet’s sender in the “To:” field and put “Private:” followed by the actual topic’s “Subject” line after it. 

4.      Mute this Topic.   If you wish to stop receiving any further messages related to this topic, whether in the digest or as individual messages if you switch to that mode, activate this link. 

5.      New Topic (which you’ll probably never use because it throws you into the web interface for the group to compose a new message for a new topic.  Most will do this just by e-mailing the group posting address.

6.      A number of additional links related to the specific group, which can vary somewhat by group.

7.      A fixed collection of links:

a.      Change Your Subscription – which will take you to the Groups.io page where you can change your basic subscription options or tweak the advanced options for message delivery that I’ve written about separately.

b.      Group Home – which will take you to the Groups.io home page for the group this message originated from.

c.       Contact group owner -  uses the mailto command to cause a new, blank e-mail message to be created with the group owner address of the group already filled in.

d.      Terms of Service

e.      Unsubscribe from this Group – which throws you into the Groups.io web interface for unsubscribing from the group where this message originated.

At the end of each digest message is a collection of links:

1.       View/Reply Online followed by a count of messages in that topic already.

2.       Reply to Group (which you’ll probably never use since a straight e-mail Reply does the same thing)

3.      Reply to Sender.  This is how to send a private message to the person who sent the message in question to the group.  Activating this link will fire up a new message in your e-mail client of choice, including web based ones if you have that set up, and will put the e-mail address of the digest snippet’s sender in the “To:” field and put “Private:” followed by the actual topic’s “Subject” line after it. 

4.      Mute this Topic.   If you wish to stop receiving any further messages related to this topic, whether in the digest or as individual messages if you switch to that mode, activate this link. 

5.      Top ^, which shoots you back to the top of the e-mail message.

6.      New Topic (which you’ll probably never use because it throws you into the web interface for the group to compose a new message for a new topic.  Most will do this just by e-mailing the group posting address).

 

 

Groups.io Email Delivery & Other Control Commands That Can Be Issued by Sending an Email Message

You can send a blank email to the following email addresses (substituting your group name for GROUPNAME):

GROUPNAME+help@groups.io

To receive an automated help email containing a list of these commands plus additional information

GROUPNAME+subscribe@groups.io

To join a group

GROUPNAME+unsubscribe@groups.io

To unsubscribe from a group

GROUPNAME+owner@groups.io

To contact the owners of a group

GROUPNAME+digest@groups.io

To receive plain digests instead of individual messages

GROUPNAME+fulldigest@groups.io

To receive full featured digests instead of individual messages

GROUPNAME+summary@groups.io

To receive a daily summary instead of individual messages

GROUPNAME+single@groups.io

To receive individual messages instead of digests or a summary

GROUPNAME+special@groups.io

To only receive special messages

GROUPNAME+nomail@groups.io

To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages on the Web)

 

 

GROUPNAMEs include, but are by no means limited to:

            win10 for the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group

            jfw       for the JAWS for Windows Support Group

            nvda    for the NVDA Screen Reader Users Group

            blindtech        for the blind technology discussion group

 

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 
     Knowledge consists of a collection of uninspired facts. Wisdom is their artful use.

Just for amusement, I opened that .docx and saved it as a Web Page, which is what follows.  I also did filtered, and will post that shortly.  On the screen the numbering remains unchanged in both of these formats:
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[Last Update:  5/26/2018]

 

If you have never used the groups.io website, you will need to follow the instructions just below to get a password so that you can log in to the site.  Otherwise jump straight on to the section, Advanced Preferences for Your Group Subscription, for the preferences that give you precise control over the messages you’ll receive from groups.io, and in what format, afterward review the section, Groups.io Message Reply and Other Options Sent In Individual Messages and Digests.   Note:  the easiest way to log out of the Groups.io web interface is simply to enter https://groups.io/logout in the address box of your browser and then navigate to that page.  You don’t need to locate the link showing your name, activating it to get the drop down menu, then choosing log out from that menu.

 

Getting a Password to Log in to the Groups.io Website

If you’ve subscribed via e-mail you have a Groups.io login id, your e-mail address, but you’ve never been assigned a password for the website.  To get one:

1.  In your web browser, go to the Groups.io main site login page:  https://groups.io/login

2.  Find the “Forgot your password?” link and activate it.

3.  A page with a single edit box, e-mail address will open.  Enter your e-mail address in it.

4. Navigate to the one and only button on the page, “Email Link to Log In,” and activate it.

5. Watch your e-mail, including your spam/junk box, for a message from Groups.io that will contain a link you need to activate that takes you to your Groups.io profile page where you set your password.  This is the password you’ll use to log in to any Groups.io group webpage where you wish to do something, such as changing your preferences, that requires you to be logged in to do.  You are, at this stage, actually logged in.

 

 

 

 

Advanced Preferences for Your Group Subscription

Adapted for Screen Reader Users by Timothy Wynn

 

These preferences allow you to get very precise control over what messages you will receive in e-mail from groups.io and the format in which you’ll receive them.  You can significantly decrease the amount of e-mail you receive from high-traffic groups while also being able to decide what's important enough to keep an eye on.

Once you get to the main Groups.io webpage, https://groups.io, you will need to navigate to the "Log In" (two words) link and activate it. Once you've entered your username, which is the e-mail address you've used to subscribe to the group(s) you routinely read, and password, activate the "Log In" button and you will be taken to the "Your Subscriptions" page.

1. If your browser window is not already maximized, do so now (keyboard shortcut is Alt+Space, then X or Windows+Up-arrow).
1. If the page is restored or minimized, then at the top of the page you'll see a button labeled "Toggle navigation", followed by a link with a graphic labeled "groups.io". This version of the interface will not allow you to edit any of the subscription preferences as far as I can tell.
2. If the page is maximized, then the top of the page should have a link with a graphic labeled "groups.io", followed by a link labeled "Your Groups".
2. Use your screen reader's table navigation commands to move to the first table found on this page. The columns should read "Group", "# Members", "Latest Message", and "Delivery". Move to the row for the group for which you wish to set up your advanced preferences, navigate over to the Delivery column, and activate the link found there.  This will bring up the Subscription page which contains the advanced email preferences.

You will have to start back at this step for each group for which you wish to set up the advanced mail preferences.

1. Just so you're aware these are on the Subscription page, there is a radio button cluster for the Email Delivery options: All Messages, Full Featured Digest, Plain Digest, Daily Summary, Special Notices Only, No email. This is immediately followed by two checkboxes related to using a signature: Use signature for web posting and Use signature for e-mail posting. These are followed by the signature edit box, should you wish to set up a signature that goes on to all your messages if you check one of the previously mentioned checkboxes.
2. Use your screen reader quick navigation command to find and activate the "Advanced Preferences" heading level 3 link.
3. There are three major sections to the advanced preferences:
1. Message Selection. There are two radio buttons: All Messages and Following Only. If the first is selected then every message sent to the group will be sent to you in the format you selected for e-mail delivery. If you select Following Only then the only messages you will receive are messages you've chosen to follow. There is a checkbox associated with "Following Only," "First Message Also." If this checkbox is checked it serves as a selective override such that the first message in any new topic is sent to you so that you can see it and elect to follow it with the link at the end of the message if you wish to keep monitoring this topic.
2. Replies. There is a checkbox, "Auto follow replies," which will make any topic that you start yourself, or any topic in which you reply to a message, followed. This checkbox is generally only used if you have elected to use the "Following Only" feature for message selection.
3. Max Attachment Size (only for groups that allow attachments). This is followed by a dropdown box that allows you to choose from four different maximum sizes for attachments to be delivered to you via e-mail. The default is unlimited size. If you're using an internet service with data caps you may wish to change this. If you choose the zero option it means that all attachments will be stripped before a message is sent to you.
4. Find the "Save" button and activate it to save these settings.

As you can see, if you choose a setup where you have elected to get messages with the "Following Only" option combined with the "First message also" checkbox this will greatly decrease the flow of e-mail you receive while allowing you to decide for each topic whether you wish to follow it to receive further messages or not. If you do nothing then you will not receive any additional messages for that particular topic unless you hit the link to follow it at the end of the message or reply to it, if the "auto follow replies" option was checked.

 

Groups.io Message Reply and Other Options Sent In Individual Messages and Digests

At the end of each individual  message is this collection of links:

1.       View/Reply Online followed by the Groups.io message number assigned to that message.

2.       Reply to Group (which you’ll probably never use since a straight e-mail Reply does the same thing)

3.      Reply to Sender.  This is how to send a private message to the person who sent the message you’re currently reading.  Activating this link will fire up a new message in your e-mail client of choice, including web based ones if you have that set up, and will put the e-mail address of the digest snippet’s sender in the “To:” field and put “Private:” followed by the actual topic’s “Subject” line after it. 

4.      Mute this Topic.   If you wish to stop receiving any further messages related to this topic, whether in the digest or as individual messages if you switch to that mode, activate this link. 

5.      New Topic (which you’ll probably never use because it throws you into the web interface for the group to compose a new message for a new topic.  Most will do this just by e-mailing the group posting address.

6.      A number of additional links related to the specific group, which can vary somewhat by group.

7.      A fixed collection of links:

a.      Change Your Subscription – which will take you to the Groups.io page where you can change your basic subscription options or tweak the advanced options for message delivery that I’ve written about separately.

b.      Group Home – which will take you to the Groups.io home page for the group this message originated from.

c.       Contact group owner -  uses the mailto command to cause a new, blank e-mail message to be created with the group owner address of the group already filled in.

d.      Terms of Service

e.      Unsubscribe from this Group – which throws you into the Groups.io web interface for unsubscribing from the group where this message originated.

At the end of each digest message is a collection of links:

1.       View/Reply Online followed by a count of messages in that topic already.

2.       Reply to Group (which you’ll probably never use since a straight e-mail Reply does the same thing)

3.      Reply to Sender.  This is how to send a private message to the person who sent the message in question to the group.  Activating this link will fire up a new message in your e-mail client of choice, including web based ones if you have that set up, and will put the e-mail address of the digest snippet’s sender in the “To:” field and put “Private:” followed by the actual topic’s “Subject” line after it. 

4.      Mute this Topic.   If you wish to stop receiving any further messages related to this topic, whether in the digest or as individual messages if you switch to that mode, activate this link. 

5.      Top ^, which shoots you back to the top of the e-mail message.

6.      New Topic (which you’ll probably never use because it throws you into the web interface for the group to compose a new message for a new topic.  Most will do this just by e-mailing the group posting address).

 

 

Groups.io Email Delivery & Other Control Commands That Can Be Issued by Sending an Email Message

You can send a blank email to the following email addresses (substituting your group name for GROUPNAME):

GROUPNAME+help@groups.io

To receive an automated help email containing a list of these commands plus additional information

GROUPNAME+subscribe@groups.io

To join a group

GROUPNAME+unsubscribe@groups.io

To unsubscribe from a group

GROUPNAME+owner@groups.io

To contact the owners of a group

GROUPNAME+digest@groups.io

To receive plain digests instead of individual messages

GROUPNAME+fulldigest@groups.io

To receive full featured digests instead of individual messages

GROUPNAME+summary@groups.io

To receive a daily summary instead of individual messages

GROUPNAME+single@groups.io

To receive individual messages instead of digests or a summary

GROUPNAME+special@groups.io

To only receive special messages

GROUPNAME+nomail@groups.io

To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages on the Web)

 

 

GROUPNAMEs include, but are by no means limited to:

            win10 for the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group

            jfw       for the JAWS for Windows Support Group

            nvda    for the NVDA Screen Reader Users Group

            blindtech        for the blind technology discussion group

 

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 
     Knowledge consists of a collection of uninspired facts. Wisdom is their artful use.

I can only report what my personal experience has been.

I cannot count the number of times I've done direct cut and paste operations for numbered or bulleted lists out of MS-Word and into the compose window of Groups.io (and BleepingComputer.com, too) without incident.

This behavior I experienced today is, for me, the clear exception, thus the reason for my post.  I doubt very much that I am alone in expecting a cut and paste of formatted text from a word processor into a web compose window to work, at least in general.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 
     Knowledge consists of a collection of uninspired facts. Wisdom is their artful use.