Actually I've had a further thought that this may depend on whether or not the rejected member had confirmed at the time of group membership rejection. i have some "correct" cases where the member was rejected and everything shows up correctly. I'm going to try to ascertain whether the buggy case differs from the correct case in whether or not the member had confirmed. If so, this may be a (minor) design issue after all. 
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 09:52 am, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Neither applicant got past Pending status...but if they had, then "removed" would seem entirely appropriate, not "rejected."

Restricted membership group here, if that has any bearing on it

Of course this would never even arise in a non-restricted group.
This seems to be a bug, not a design issue, and I've already sent the example to Mark at support. The activity log shows only that the member was rejected, never approved. Yet the past member list shows them as having been removed.

 
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

One more datum on this:  My co-owner has rejected two membership applications since we paid for Premium access on 24APR. These rejections appear in the activity log but there are no corresponding entries in the Past Members list.

Neither applicant got past Pending status...but if they had, then "removed" would seem entirely appropriate, not "rejected."

Restricted membership group here, if that has any bearing on it.

Hope this helps,
Bruce 

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 09:53 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:

BUGFIX: In the transfer interface, improved handling of how we scrape Yahoo Groups in different languages.

Can you give more details?

Changes to the site this week:

• INTERNAL: Lots of optimization work on speeding up the creation of a new message search index.
• SYSADMIN: Built a new search cluster with additional needed capacity.
• BUGFIX: When exporting an event with RSVPs that allow additional guests, show the additional guest numbers.
• BUGFIX: Fixed a database connection error with the Elasticsearch importer that was waking me up at 3am the last couple of nights. Zzzzzz.
• CHANGE: Subscription Options and Muting & Following updates in the help (thanks Shal and J!).
• NEW: Treat 'Cvp:' as the same as Re: in message subjects (it's Turkish).
• CHANGE: Condensed HTML message footers.
• CHANGE: For groups not set to reply to group, display the receiver's email address in the footer.
• CHANGE: Do not permit group names that begin or end in dash.
• BUGFIX: The display of groups in the 'Your Groups' dropdown could sometimes be wrong on the home page, based on how you were sorting that page.
• BUGFIX: Use the subgroup direct add message for direct adds. Previously we were erroneously using the parent group direct add message and ignoring any subgroup direct add messages.
• CHANGE: For transfers of groups with more than 100,000 messages, we ask for a year's premium subscription. Otherwise, we'll transfer the 100,000 most recent messages.
• BUGFIX: In the transfer interface, improved handling of how we scrape Yahoo Groups in different languages.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark

Might be helpful if group data included the Member Notices. (I've put a few hours into composing and editing some of these, and, while I think I have copies, it would be reassuring to know they were included in a full group export.)

  - Mark

Whereas for those of us who read emails in plain text, as often as not (as with
this message) there are no footers. It seems to depend on the sender, which
presumably means it depends on how they send. Most of Shal's messages, for
example, do show all the footers, with clickable links.

Jim Fisher

--
http://jimellame.tumblr.com - My thoughts on freedom (needs updating)
http://jimella.wordpress.com - political snippets, especially economic policy
http://jimella.livejournal.com - misc. snippets, some political, some not
Forget Google! I search with https://duckduckgo.com which doesn't spy on you

Could the "past members" list indicate "rejected" instead of "removed" when the membership application was rejected?
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

I would like to request a feature that allows for the bulk import or bulk creation of calendar items. ICS or CSV are logical import formats

On 6/1/2018 11:42 AM, Sharon Villines wrote:

In “10 Jun 2018” there is no ambiguity and using the 3 letter month abb. it is only one more digit.

Unless you're a non-English speaker...

--
Bill

Hi,

I don´t know if my request was considered worthy to make it into the to-do-list. Here it is again:

Could the (moderator) notification list be extended by three more items (in bold)?

Notifications

• Email when there are messages needing approval.
• Email when there are members needing approval.
• Email when a member joins/leaves this group.
• Email when group storage limits are reached.
• Email when someone creates or deletes a subgroup.
• Email when someone reports a message.

Email when someone uploads a photo
Email when someone uploads a file
Email when someone uploads a database

----

All of them can be disabled by the moderator if he doesn´t want to be notified.

Victoria

On 6/1/2018 7:20 AM, David M wrote [quoting Chris V]:

format like 10-Jun-2018

This one is the least confusing. Many years ago, when I started a blog and an email discussion list with an international audience, I was confronted with the date problem. The day, spelled out month, and 4 digit year was the most unambiguous for everyone.

A friend who has been involved in world-wide activism for decades (aged 91) saw my dates on our organizations’s minutes, he said, “Finally we we have joined the world.” I even got it past a copyeditor this year in a book’s bibliography. Since I was consistent, and my book, she let it through.

or 2018-06-10.
The second one is of course the international date standard, as defined by the ISO

While 2018-06-10 can be logically deciphered, it is still a double take for people who are used to the day following the month. And the dashes are not necessary. In “10 Jun 2018” there is no ambiguity and using the 3 letter month abb. it is only one more digit.

I do use 2018-06-10 in file names when I want to sort by date automatically — as in photos and when looking at publication dates or messages chronologically.

Sharon
------
Sharon Villines, Washington, DC
"As long as you have two or fewer, your ducks are always in a row." The Covert Comic

On 6/1/2018 7:20 AM, David M wrote [quoting Chris V]:

I could not see these on the trello list so here are a couple of suggestions to improve the calendar options
Dates are all defined in US convention mm/dd/yyyy In the UK we find this very confusing as we always use dd/mm/yyyy

Yes, very confusing in Australia too. It would be nice to customise the layout for countries, but I would be happy with a non-ambiguous date format like 10-Jun-2018 or 2018-06-10.

The second one is of course the international date standard, as defined by the ISO:

https://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/iso-date

--
Bill

I could not see these on the trello list so here are a couple of suggestions to improve the calendar options
Dates are all defined in US convention mm/dd/yyyy In the UK we find this very confusing as we always use dd/mm/yyyy

Yes, very confusing in Australia too. It would be nice to customise the layout for countries, but I would be happy with a non-ambiguous date format like 10-Jun-2018 or 2018-06-10.

Our group is for members of a national charity and we have to check subscribes are actually members.
It would be very useful if it was possible to create custom fields in the membership/profile for each users.
For instance ability to add a membership number field that must be filled in.
It would need a setting so as to be viewable by either public, subscribers, moderators, or owner.

If these fields could then be included in the export option we would be able to correlate these records with membership records.

I could not see these on the trello list so here are a couple of suggestions to improve the calendar options

• Defining times - the drop down for defining the time of an event is rather difficult to use
• The display of times in the month, week, day and list excludes the m at then end, so 7:00pm is displayed as 7:30p
• A facility to view the next few calendar entries would be very useful for many. perhaps a search option that lists the next n entries with optional filter
• Dates are all defined in US convention mm/dd/yyyy In the UK we find this very confusing as we always use dd/mm/yyyy

I hope these thoughts are useful to you

Hi All,

I just tweaked the footers. For HTML footers, you'll see that the lines are more condensed now.

For groups that are not set to reply to group, the receiving person's email address is now displayed in the footer. Which will help me greatly for the support emails I receive that say "I'm not subscribed to this list and I keep getting emails, get me off this damn thing!!!".

Thanks, Mark

I too have been confused by these messages, and these changes will, I'm sure, help. Is it actually necessary to delete members though? Could it not be made possible to set their preferences to "no email" (or perhaps a new status of "suspended email") in this circumstance, until the member and or admin can resolve the issue, so at least they could still access via the web interface.

Just a thought.
Regards,
Martyn