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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Hi Ro, I think your group settings won't be over-ridden unless you specifically sent a hashtag accordingly and apply it to a topic. This does not cause any loss of group control. (Caveat: I still haven't read through it for the interactions and the nuances but am planning to do that soon.)
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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Ro
 

This really annoys me.  I dont WANT my group settings over ridden!  Why, every time there is a change, do we have to fight and discuss endlessly for there to be a group setting to control this stuff, and allow those group owners who dont want it, to be able to shut it off.   Instead there is endless discussion and back an forth every single time.   Please install a control for owners,,, over ride group member sending emails from the profile or private.  

Ro


moderated Re: Upload Progress Bar

Ken Schweizer
 

Duane,

 

I agree, that would be a good enhancement. Until it works itself to the top of the "to do" list I have been using the "Ethernet" graph in Window's Task Manager to ensure data is being transferred.

 

Ken

 

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." God

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Duane
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:08 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Upload Progress Bar

 

I would also like to see this.  While doing some testing yesterday, I was uploading some really big files, 270-500 MB.  During the upload, all I saw was a box in my browser saying "Sending request to groupname".  Having a connection that's not the best in the world, I kept wondering if the files were actually being uploaded or if the connection was even good.  I eventually hovered on my Network Activity icon on my task bar and could see that they were doing something, albeit slowly.

Duane


moderated Re: Upload Progress Bar

Duane
 

I would also like to see this.  While doing some testing yesterday, I was uploading some really big files, 270-500 MB.  During the upload, all I saw was a box in my browser saying "Sending request to groupname".  Having a connection that's not the best in the world, I kept wondering if the files were actually being uploaded or if the connection was even good.  I eventually hovered on my Network Activity icon on my task bar and could see that they were doing something, albeit slowly.

Duane


moderated Starting separate thread on new "email" feature

 

I think there are some serious problems with this feature. First, the one that has already been mentioned: the feature basically undoes the "disable other reply options" in groups that have that set. My group is set to reply-to-group and has other reply options disabled. But with the email feature, all someone has to do to reply to the sender is click on their profile (assuming they have one) and then on "email."

Second, as Bruce has noted, the email feature can be used to send someone email only if they have their profile set to be accessible to group members, and that is how it should be. However, the converse is not true - that is, there is no possibility for someone to have their profile set to be accessible to group members and NOT make themselves available to anyone who wants to PM them. I am really opposed to this. I dislike getting offlist emails from people and don't want to have to make my profile invisible just in order to avoid it.

So I think some controls are in order: (1) create a way for a group to disable the feature altogether (e.g., as Bruce has suggested, tie it to the directory being visible or not to members); and (2) create an option for an individual member to disable the feature as it applies to others sending them emails.
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moderated Re: Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

Lots of luck on training members
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moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • NEW: Topics can have a reply to setting that overrides the group's reply to (and any associated hash tags).
  • NEW: Replaced the Reply To Sender Only checkbox on hashtags with a dropdown, allowing you to override the group's reply to setting.
  • NEW: When a subscriber is viewing a member's profile, display the Email button to send them an email.
  • CHANGE: You can now like messages in topics that are closed (matches email behavior now)
  • BUGFIX: Crash fix for database map view when geocoding cannot find a proper lat/long for an address.
  • BUGFIX: Crash fix when exporting event responses.
  • INTERNAL: Updated logrus logging package and fixed the logging when running a web server in development.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Hashtag and Topic reply to overrides

 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 04:15 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
This is a bit complicated, I know. Please let me know if you see any bugs or have suggestions for improvements.
I'll get back to you next week on it! :-)
 
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moderated Re: Suggestion: Ability to send PM from a member's profile page #suggestion

 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 06:43 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
If I understand correctly, other group subscribers (and the Public) cannot see a profile unless this setting is changed, whether the Directory is enabled or not.
I think that's correct, but it does nothing to solve the problem of groups that want to prohibit (or minimize, because you can't completely prohibit) offlist conversation, since it's under the individual members' (rather than the moderator's) control. I would go with tying the PM function to accessibility of the directory.
 
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moderated Re: Suggestion: Ability to send PM from a member's profile page #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 08:02 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I'm not sure. Of course if the user has not established a profile, the profile would not be available to anyone (I'm not sure what you mean by "shared profile"?). However, I don't think it has anything to do with the directory. I think you can just click on a member's profile at the bottom of the member's message, whether or not the directory has been disabled.
Each profile has a Profile Privacy setting. The default is Moderators and Owners. If I understand correctly, other group subscribers (and the Public) cannot see a profile unless this setting is changed, whether the Directory is enabled or not.

At least that's the way things appear when I log on with a Subscriber account in my own group. If someone were to do the same in a different group and verify this behavior, I would appreciate the sanity check.

Making profiles unavailable if the directory is disabled (assuming that's not already the case) would solve the problem, though.
I agree and would support that.

Bruce


moderated Re: Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

ro-esp
 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 08:15 PM, Chris Jones wrote:

If a thread has been highjacked , rather than drifted off - topic, then
perhaps the *Delete* function might be more appropriate.
Yes, members need to be taught to not use the reply-button when they are not replying, and to change the subjectline

groetjes, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

ro-esp
 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 08:01 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:

Also, many may find it more helpful if terminology was consistent across the
platform and between menus and help/instructions, e.g., is it a *Topic* or
a *Thread?* (etc.)
A topic is something you talk about. A thread is a bunch of messages that belong together because they are replies to eachother (and have the same subjectline).


groetjes, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Hashtag and Topic reply to overrides

Bruce Bowman
 

Wow, Mark. I read this three times and it still left me pretty bewildered! So I've been clicking around a bit and...

On hashtags, I've removed the Reply Only To Sender checkbox and replaced it with a dropdown featuring all possible reply to options (all hashtags with the existing Reply Only To Sender were converted to the new scheme). Also, I've made it so that you can override the group's reply to on a topic by topic basis.
Okay, it's been a struggle, but I think I've finally gotten this part.

If a topic has a hashtag that overrides the group reply to and the topic is also set to override the group reply to, the topic setting takes priority.
That strikes me as sensible.

If there are multiple hashtags for a topic that override the reply to, it is not defined which one 'wins out'.
This is cause for concern, is it not? Can't we make the first hashtag win, or something? Any order of precedence is better than none.

In the /topics page, the dropdown displays the 'effective' reply to, as either set by a hashtag or on the topic itself.
From what I'm seeing, the "effective" reply-to for the topic displays in italics, right?

This can lead to some weird behavior: if you have a hashtag with a reply to, setting 'Use Group Reply To Setting' with the dropdown will never 'stick', because the hashtag is forcing a reply to change in the absence of a topic reply to setting. (You can go to the Edit Topics page and remove the offending hashtag if you wish).
I haven't actually tested this, but if an option from the dropdown isn't going to work, wouldn't it make sense to grey it out or something like that?

If you go to the Edit Topic page, the Reply To setting there is the setting for the topic itself, not modified by any applicable hashtags (ie this is different than the dropdown on the /topics page).
I am confused as to how this drop-down setting is different from the drop-down "override" selections in Topics view. Whatever changes we make to the topic reply-to setting via this page will also override any hashtags, right? 

This is a bit complicated, I know. Please let me know if you see any bugs or have suggestions for improvements.
You bet. I kinda like this but am curious as to where the notion came from (i.e.: I haven't seen any topics on it here in beta). Good luck writing the documentation! 

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Suggestion: Ability to send PM from a member's profile page #suggestion

 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 04:45 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
, it seems that the member profile is not available to regular Subscribers (i.e.: there is no link to their profile) if the "receiving" subscriber hasn't yet established a shared profile and/or the group owner has disabled the Directory in the Settings
I'm not sure. Of course if the user has not established a profile, the profile would not be available to anyone (I'm not sure what you mean by "shared profile"?). However, I don't think it has anything to do with the directory. I think you can just click on a member's profile at the bottom of the member's message, whether or not the directory has been disabled. Making profiles unavailable if the directory is disabled (assuming that's not already the case) would solve the problem, though.
 
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moderated Re: Suggestion: Ability to send PM from a member's profile page #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:39 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
However, since then the "disable other reply options" was implemented, which I find very useful in preventing (or minimizing) offlist conversations. How will the new PM feature interact, if at all, in groups set to reply-to-group with other reply methods disabled? It seems to water it down.
J,

From what I've observed so far, it seems that the member profile is not available to regular Subscribers (i.e.: there is no link to their profile) if the "receiving" subscriber hasn't yet established a shared profile and/or the group owner has disabled the Directory in the Settings. To that end, I don't [yet] believe this new feature is any more objectionable than the Direct Mail functionality that was added back in April (ref: https://groups.io/g/updates/message/39).

Please let me know if I'm mistaken.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Hashtag and Topic reply to overrides

 

Hi All,

On hashtags, I've removed the Reply Only To Sender checkbox and replaced it with a dropdown featuring all possible reply to options (all hashtags with the existing Reply Only To Sender were converted to the new scheme). Also, I've made it so that you can override the group's reply to on a topic by topic basis.

If a topic has a hashtag that overrides the group reply to and the topic is also set to override the group reply to, the topic setting takes priority.

If there are multiple hashtags for a topic that override the reply to, it is not defined which one 'wins out'.

In the /topics page, the dropdown displays the 'effective' reply to, as either set by a hashtag or on the topic itself. This can lead to some weird behavior: if you have a hashtag with a reply to, setting 'Use Group Reply To Setting' with the dropdown will never 'stick', because the hashtag is forcing a reply to change in the absence of a topic reply to setting. (You can go to the Edit Topics page and remove the offending hashtag if you wish).

If you go to the Edit Topic page, the Reply To setting there is the setting for the topic itself, not modified by any applicable hashtags (ie this is different than the dropdown on the /topics page).

This is a bit complicated, I know. Please let me know if you see any bugs or have suggestions for improvements.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 08:26 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Semantics. 
Ok. 'slightly, inadvertently, drifted off topic."
Ah... not so much a highjack as an "occupational hazard" then.

Chris


moderated Re: Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

On the topic here, I no longer use the split feature, having decided that its pitfalls overcome its advantages. This is because people still respond via email to the old-named email conversation thread and then I have to merge, and merge again, etc. I decided long ago that it wasn't worth it, and I no longer split or even rename threads. Er, topics. :)

Thx, J
That may be the end result (but hope not.)  In this case it's not that extensive and "re-replies" sh/w ould be minimal.

-k


moderated Re: Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

Semantics. 
Ok. 'slightly, inadvertently, drifted off topic."

-k

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moderated Re: Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

 

On the topic here, I no longer use the split feature, having decided that its pitfalls overcome its advantages. This is because people still respond via email to the old-named email conversation thread and then I have to merge, and merge again, etc. I decided long ago that it wasn't worth it, and I no longer split or even rename threads. Er, topics. :)
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