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moderated Re: add mod choices "reply and lock topic" or "reply and moderate topic" #suggestion

dave w
 

No.
Understand that I read so many of these and create a reply, that I subsequently do not send.

In this case, I'd say the request for this level of automation is unwarranted. I'd say laziness but it's more than that.
Is it that critical that 'instant' suspension of access/ reply to some thread is so urgently manifest, and that 'action' is so important that everyone must be instatly aware?
Do you sit watching every thread on every group every second of the day waiting for a runaway?
Was this activity available under the previous provider? I think not.
Take the easy way out and place the group on moderated, then nothing of a concerning nature will ever get thru.
For a free service, I see far too many demands and far too many attempts at locking down of freedom of people to use the service. What the US likes to refer to as their freedom of speech- when that speech suits others of course.
dave


moderated Re: Message edit menu missing picture and attach file option

 

This is a different but related(?) issue: I would also like the "reason for edit" line to be editable when the edited message is in pending.
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moderated Re: Starting separate thread on new "email" feature

 

p.s. As a slight enhancement, it might make the most sense to always allow moderators to email group members, even if the directory is not visible to non-mods, and even (in case this is eventually implemented) if the individual has opted out of emails. It can be more convenient than using the "send message" feature.
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moderated Re: Starting separate thread on new "email" feature

 

Mark,

Thank you. That's great.

Would you also consider allowing individual members (in a group with directory viewable by subscribers) to opt out of the email feature, in case they prefer not to be contacted but don't want to make their profile invisible? I think that would be more complicated to implement, since it would require a new subscription setting, and it is not as urgent as the other issue. But I think it would be highly desirable to allow users to control whether or not they can be contacted offlist.
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J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Message edit menu missing picture and attach file option

KWKloeber
 

DITTO on that question?

Can the photo AND file attachment functionality be added to the Edit function? 
Not attaching a photo or file is likely one of the key reasons for needing to edit a message.

Thx


moderated Re: Starting separate thread on new "email" feature

 

Hello,

I have changed it so that the Email link in a member's group profile is not displayed if the group's member directory is set to something other than "Subscribers".

Thanks,
Mark


On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 3:38 PM Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:
I echo J's last.
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Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Give group owners control over how subscriptions are processed #suggestion

Charlie McB
 

I'm not exactly sure I entirely understand the question.  If you're suggesting a feature whereby that owner could establish additional group-specific subscriber requirements (a web-based questionnaire, perhaps), that would be beyond what I was suggesting, and still may not address the issue at hand.

Along those lines I have found the "Pending Subscription" notice option to be very helpful.  For a neighborhood group, I use it to ask a potential subscriber to provide their full name and local street address.  When a person subscribes via email, they receive this message after they confirm their email address with GIO.  I like that process because it keeps it simple -- one step at a time.  However, the "subscribe via web" applicant sees a more complicated process, with the "please confirm" and "pending subscription" notices arriving at the same time, possibly creating confusion where it otherwise might be averted.  (Please forgive if I am creeping into the realm of design intent, which I was hoping to avoid.)

Based on recent comments to the GMF group there appear to be some owner/moderators who would like the "subscription via web" process to work the same way as "subscription via email" does now.  Personally, I'd prefer that a would-be subscriber be confirmed before they appear in my "pending" list.  At that point I'm happy to help them through the requirements of my own particular group.  Other owner/moderators may prefer the current design.  Hence the suggestion to provide a choice.

Thanks,

                     -- Charlie

On 10/21/18 5:40 PM, Michael Chopra wrote:
 hi. First of all, I don’t want to be accused of hijacking a thread. But could you not also say that group owners/moderators should be able to control what the member has to give when they subscribe? Essentially, what I’m saying is the owner or Moderators  could configure it so that other options have to be required in order to gain approval to the group.
Thanks.
From Michael.  

 

From: main@beta.groups.io on behalf of Charles M. Register <charlie.register@...>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 10:33
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] Give group owners control over how subscriptions are processed #suggestion
 
Suggestion: Give group owners control over how subscriptions are processed

Background: When a person who is not already a Groups.io member sends a group subscription request via email (via groupname+subscribe@groups.io), they must confirm their email address before they are placed on the group's "pending approval" list.  This is typical listserv behavior expected by most owner/moderators.

However, if they subscribe through the "Apply for Membership" button on a group's web page, they are immediately placed on the group's "pending approval" list, and assigned a "NC" (not confirmed) tag.  This has caught some group owner/moderators unawares (myself included).

I understand from previous discussions that this process is by design.  I also understand that it is problematic for some group owner/moderators.  For one thing, it is too easy to approve an unconfirmed address, which is not good security practice.

Rather than reopen the debate about the merits of this process design, I suggest a possible enhancement that would serve as a workaround for those who find it problematic:

Specific Suggestion: Add a group configuration option that controls the "Apply for Membership" button.  This could have the following options:

1. Make the button work as it does now (default);
2. Make the button not show at all on the group's main page;
3. Make the button a "mailto" link directed to the groupname+subscribe address;
4. Make the button a link to an owner-supplied URL.

           -- Charlie



moderated Re: Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

 

Ken,

Suggest adding/modifying for better functionality in moving/splitting messages.

Have you seen this topic about a test version of better functionality?

Give that a try and see if it suits your needs.

Shal


moderated Re: Give group owners control over how subscriptions are processed #suggestion

 

I think having these options would be confusing to people trying to join groups. Why does one group have a join button and another one not? etc. However, I agree that the current method causes confusion and I haven't thought about a solution.
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J

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moderated Re: Caption for cover photo

Walter Underwood
 

Captions are readable by screen readers, so are accessible. Pictures of text are about the least accessible thing.

I’d be delighted to have captions. I’d use it in most of my groups. For example, the cover photo for the Philmont group was taken by my son, so I’d like to credit him.

wunder
Walter Underwood
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http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)

On Oct 21, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:

Shal,
Why not use a photo editor (e.g. photoshop or other) to generate the text overlay on the photo prior to uploading it.
I did that to set up a big red cover photo on our Yahoo grooup with "We've moved to groups,io and other info there.
It's usually pretty easy to do and even if you don't have a resident photo editor there are lots of them online.
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation



moderated Re: Starting separate thread on new "email" feature

Bob Bellizzi
 

I echo J's last.
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Caption for cover photo

Bob Bellizzi
 

Shal,
Why not use a photo editor (e.g. photoshop or other) to generate the text overlay on the photo prior to uploading it.
I did that to set up a big red cover photo on our Yahoo grooup with "We've moved to groups,io and other info there.
It's usually pretty easy to do and even if you don't have a resident photo editor there are lots of them online.
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Give group owners control over how subscriptions are processed #suggestion

Michael Chopra
 

 hi. First of all, I don’t want to be accused of hijacking a thread. But could you not also say that group owners/moderators should be able to control what the member has to give when they subscribe? Essentially, what I’m saying is the owner or Moderators  could configure it so that other options have to be required in order to gain approval to the group.
Thanks.
From Michael.  

 


From: main@beta.groups.io on behalf of Charles M. Register <charlie.register@...>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 10:33
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] Give group owners control over how subscriptions are processed #suggestion
 
Suggestion: Give group owners control over how subscriptions are processed

Background: When a person who is not already a Groups.io member sends a group subscription request via email (via groupname+subscribe@groups.io), they must confirm their email address before they are placed on the group's "pending approval" list.  This is typical listserv behavior expected by most owner/moderators.

However, if they subscribe through the "Apply for Membership" button on a group's web page, they are immediately placed on the group's "pending approval" list, and assigned a "NC" (not confirmed) tag.  This has caught some group owner/moderators unawares (myself included).

I understand from previous discussions that this process is by design.  I also understand that it is problematic for some group owner/moderators.  For one thing, it is too easy to approve an unconfirmed address, which is not good security practice.

Rather than reopen the debate about the merits of this process design, I suggest a possible enhancement that would serve as a workaround for those who find it problematic:

Specific Suggestion: Add a group configuration option that controls the "Apply for Membership" button.  This could have the following options:

1. Make the button work as it does now (default);
2. Make the button not show at all on the group's main page;
3. Make the button a "mailto" link directed to the groupname+subscribe address;
4. Make the button a link to an owner-supplied URL.

           -- Charlie


moderated Give group owners control over how subscriptions are processed #suggestion

Charlie McB
 

Suggestion: Give group owners control over how subscriptions are processed

Background: When a person who is not already a Groups.io member sends a group subscription request via email (via groupname+subscribe@groups.io), they must confirm their email address before they are placed on the group's "pending approval" list.  This is typical listserv behavior expected by most owner/moderators.

However, if they subscribe through the "Apply for Membership" button on a group's web page, they are immediately placed on the group's "pending approval" list, and assigned a "NC" (not confirmed) tag.  This has caught some group owner/moderators unawares (myself included).

I understand from previous discussions that this process is by design.  I also understand that it is problematic for some group owner/moderators.  For one thing, it is too easy to approve an unconfirmed address, which is not good security practice.

Rather than reopen the debate about the merits of this process design, I suggest a possible enhancement that would serve as a workaround for those who find it problematic:

Specific Suggestion: Add a group configuration option that controls the "Apply for Membership" button.  This could have the following options:

1. Make the button work as it does now (default);
2. Make the button not show at all on the group's main page;
3. Make the button a "mailto" link directed to the groupname+subscribe address;
4. Make the button a link to an owner-supplied URL.

           -- Charlie


moderated Caption for cover photo

 

Mark,

It would be nice to have a text box on the Cover Photo tab of the Settings page that would place a caption under the group's cover photo. E.g. a photo credit.

It could be an overlay on the photo, in the manner of the photo file names when looking at an album, but I wouldn't want it to be too prominent - the idea is a credit or caption, not a title.

Shal


moderated Re: Starting separate thread on new "email" feature

 

I want to add that I consider the PM shutoff option to be urgent. If a shutoff option can't be quickly installed, I am strongly requesting that the feature be turned off entirely for the time being. Thanks for the consideration.
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moderated Re: Starting separate thread on new "email" feature

 

Ro posted this comment in the updates thread, so I'm adding it here:
"Please install a control for owners,,, over ride group member sending emails from the profile or private." 
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/18813

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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Ro wrote:
my post also refers to the email option when clicking on a profile. 
Yes, posts crossing, I was confused because you used the word "override." I totally agree with you on needing controls over PM'ing.
 
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J

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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 11:07 AM, Ro wrote:
Please install a control for owners,,, over ride group member sending emails from the profile or private.
Walking back, since you used the word "override" I assumed you were talking about the topic/hashtag change. I totally agree with you about the control over PMs and even started a separate thread about it.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Ro
 

my post also refers to the email option when clicking on a profile.   I dont have time to read all of beta and all the back and forth that goes on with every change.   I do agree that I dont want to make private emailing easier, and if it IS made easier, then I want a shut off.   If those are not the changes listed, then I will eventually get to the right thread,,, maybe.   Moving, intermittent internet,,, no time for multiple posts or corrections.

Ro

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