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moderated Re: Gmail.com From re-writing

 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 09:42 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
We don't re-write the From line of the BCC messages right now
Mark,

It was odd that the BCC problem stopped right around the time of the From line change - which, of course, fixed the other (worse) problem, but seemed to exacerbate this one. It might have been my imagination.
 
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moderated Some Database Bugs? #bug

 

We can use the search option for search a term in "single line text" or maybe in paragraph area?
1. Why can we not search a "date" or "time" in databases? (in "type" field)

2. Most of our members use "24 Our Clock " as time display. When I search a data in database, all time data's turn to "00.00".



greetings
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moderated Re: Gmail.com From re-writing

 

J,

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 7:44 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I've started to get the banners again, but only from "bcc me"s in moderator messages to group members. That used to happen before the bad problem started with every one of my own messages, but had stopped at that point. Now it is back, and occurs every time I send a "bcc me" message. 

We don't re-write the From line of the BCC messages right now, so I'm not surprised you're getting the warning. I should look into that.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Gmail.com From re-writing

 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 7:21 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Just wanted to report that I got three of "the big, yellow banners" this morning in Gmail for Group_Help messages (which is one of those low-traffic groups that I actually have set to deliver e-mail to me).  Two of those three were my own responses.
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Ugh, for reals? Sigh. Can you verify that the ones that were your own responses had the From line re-written to be from the groups.io domain? Also, the one that was not your response, was that written by a Gmail user?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

 

Are you sure the groups.io signature is not simply being swept into the ellipses, below the prior message? That has been a "feature" since the beginning, and I used to report it as a problem but gave up since realizing (?) that nothing could be done about it. It occurs, of course, only when someone replies via email.


On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 7:35 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
I have discovered something that could be a bug or could be a feature.  Since I use the e-mail interface almost never this is the first time I've run into it.

In this case, the forum is Group_Help.  I have a signature defined on the Subscription page, and if I post from the web interface it appears exactly as expected.  I have both checkboxes checked as far as using it for either web or e-mail posts.  If, however, I send a reply back to an e-mail message from Groups.io, the signature from my e-mail client appears rather than my Groups.io group signature.

In this instance, I had suspected that if a Groups.io group signature was defined it would supplant anything that came in along with the e-mail message, but the opposite is happening.  Either could make perfect sense, but without knowing what the design intent was it's impossible to know whether this is a bug or not.
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moderated Re: Gmail.com From re-writing

 

I've started to get the banners again, but only from "bcc me"s in moderator messages to group members. That used to happen before the bad problem started with every one of my own messages, but had stopped at that point. Now it is back, and occurs every time I send a "bcc me" message. 

It is not as bad a problem as the other one, so I've ignored it for now.

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 7:21 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Just wanted to report that I got three of "the big, yellow banners" this morning in Gmail for Group_Help messages (which is one of those low-traffic groups that I actually have set to deliver e-mail to me).  Two of those three were my own responses.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


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moderated Signatures & the e-mail interface

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I have discovered something that could be a bug or could be a feature.  Since I use the e-mail interface almost never this is the first time I've run into it.

In this case, the forum is Group_Help.  I have a signature defined on the Subscription page, and if I post from the web interface it appears exactly as expected.  I have both checkboxes checked as far as using it for either web or e-mail posts.  If, however, I send a reply back to an e-mail message from Groups.io, the signature from my e-mail client appears rather than my Groups.io group signature.

In this instance, I had suspected that if a Groups.io group signature was defined it would supplant anything that came in along with the e-mail message, but the opposite is happening.  Either could make perfect sense, but without knowing what the design intent was it's impossible to know whether this is a bug or not.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: Gmail.com From re-writing

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Just wanted to report that I got three of "the big, yellow banners" this morning in Gmail for Group_Help messages (which is one of those low-traffic groups that I actually have set to deliver e-mail to me).  Two of those three were my own responses.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: members column for date of last post #suggestion

 

<Pops head up from working on the app and other stuff>

This horse has been beaten. Topic's going on moderation.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: members column for date of last post #suggestion

 

Unclear on the concept.


On Dec 6, 2018, at 11:01 AM, "magicalkingdomgroups@..." <magicalkingdomgroups@...> wrote:

I wrote about the activity section prior to Frances' email
She wrote what she wrote after I did so I had no way of knowing what she was going to write.
Sorry.
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 12/6/2018 12:51:31 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion
 
Aw c'mon! What's available in the Member Activity section is NOTHING like
Frances' suggestion below. What you get with your approach isn't information;
it's DATA. It becomes information only when it's presented USEFULLY as
Frances suggests.
 
Via your approach you see the name and date for every single posting, one
line per posting, with many lines showing for the more active members... vs
Frances' suggestion below that simply adds the date of most recent posting to
the member listing... one line per member... sortable by date of last posting.
 
So... how hard might it be to find the 50 most recent or 50 least recent
posters (out of 1,000 subscribers) via your approach vs Frances' approach? A
few seconds via Frances' approach... so long via your approach that no one
would ever try.
 
Jim H
 
 
 
Received from magicalkingdomgroups@... at 12/6/2018 05:55 PM UTC:
 
>Most of that is available in the activity section
>Click on Member Activity
>Then you can click on the individual you want to look up
>And see when the posted or how much the posted
>And then go on to the next one
>
>
>
>-------Original Message-------
>>From: Frances
>>Date: 12/6/2018 10:59:39 AM
>>Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion
>>
>>I think it would be interesting to see how many members post and how many
>>don't. If last posted date was added, and the column was clickable so I
>>could view it by date order, I could scroll down and get a rough estimate
>>of activity by members. I could see the join date of those who are reading
>>but not participating, for example.Frances
 
 
 

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moderated Re: members column for date of last post #suggestion

 

Jim is exactly right. (And Frances’s approach is my original suggestion in this thread.) This is a matter of someone being unclear on the concept.

On Dec 6, 2018, at 10:45 AM, Jim Higgins <HigginsJ@sc.rr.com> wrote:


Aw c'mon! What's available in the Member Activity section is NOTHING like Frances' suggestion below. What you get with your approach isn't information; it's DATA. It becomes information only when it's presented USEFULLY as Frances suggests.

Via your approach you see the name and date for every single posting, one line per posting, with many lines showing for the more active members... vs Frances' suggestion below that simply adds the date of most recent posting to the member listing... one line per member... sortable by date of last posting.

So... how hard might it be to find the 50 most recent or 50 least recent posters (out of 1,000 subscribers) via your approach vs Frances' approach? A few seconds via Frances' approach... so long via your approach that no one would ever try.

Jim H



Received from magicalkingdomgroups@gmail.com at 12/6/2018 05:55 PM UTC:

Most of that is available in the activity section
Click on Member Activity
Then you can click on the individual you want to look up
And see when the posted or how much the posted
And then go on to the next one



-------Original Message-------
From: Frances
Date: 12/6/2018 10:59:39 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion

I think it would be interesting to see how many members post and how many don't. If last posted date was added, and the column was clickable so I could view it by date order, I could scroll down and get a rough estimate of activity by members. I could see the join date of those who are reading but not participating, for example.Frances


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moderated Re: members column for date of last post #suggestion

Leeni
 

I wrote about the activity section prior to Frances' email
She wrote what she wrote after I did so I had no way of knowing what she was going to write.
Sorry.
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 12/6/2018 12:51:31 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion
 
Aw c'mon! What's available in the Member Activity section is NOTHING like
Frances' suggestion below. What you get with your approach isn't information;
it's DATA. It becomes information only when it's presented USEFULLY as
Frances suggests.
 
Via your approach you see the name and date for every single posting, one
line per posting, with many lines showing for the more active members... vs
Frances' suggestion below that simply adds the date of most recent posting to
the member listing... one line per member... sortable by date of last posting.
 
So... how hard might it be to find the 50 most recent or 50 least recent
posters (out of 1,000 subscribers) via your approach vs Frances' approach? A
few seconds via Frances' approach... so long via your approach that no one
would ever try.
 
Jim H
 
 
 
Received from magicalkingdomgroups@... at 12/6/2018 05:55 PM UTC:
 
>Most of that is available in the activity section
>Click on Member Activity
>Then you can click on the individual you want to look up
>And see when the posted or how much the posted
>And then go on to the next one
>
>
>
>-------Original Message-------
>>From: Frances
>>Date: 12/6/2018 10:59:39 AM
>>Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion
>>
>>I think it would be interesting to see how many members post and how many
>>don't. If last posted date was added, and the column was clickable so I
>>could view it by date order, I could scroll down and get a rough estimate
>>of activity by members. I could see the join date of those who are reading
>>but not participating, for example.Frances
 
 
 


moderated Re: members column for date of last post #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

That wouldn't capture reads (likes) by people who receive individual messages at their home email address... where there's no "like" button. Nor would it capture reads via the web by those who don't bother to click "like."

I'm not sure of the value of this even if the read data were accurate... but with it being as inaccurate as it will be I see almost no utility.

Jim H



Received from Toby Kraft at 12/6/2018 06:05 PM UTC:

Frances,
Just want to mention there is no way to know who is 'reading' the posts, as there is no tracking of who 'opened' the email message (or viewed on the web either as far as I know).
That got me thinking that we can add a last post date for the most recent post/reply. But what about "Like"? Members could read posts and "Like" them so they are interacting with the group but not necessarily posting. Perhaps another data field of 'most recent Like' would be useful?
Toby


moderated Re: members column for date of last post #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Aw c'mon! What's available in the Member Activity section is NOTHING like Frances' suggestion below. What you get with your approach isn't information; it's DATA. It becomes information only when it's presented USEFULLY as Frances suggests.

Via your approach you see the name and date for every single posting, one line per posting, with many lines showing for the more active members... vs Frances' suggestion below that simply adds the date of most recent posting to the member listing... one line per member... sortable by date of last posting.

So... how hard might it be to find the 50 most recent or 50 least recent posters (out of 1,000 subscribers) via your approach vs Frances' approach? A few seconds via Frances' approach... so long via your approach that no one would ever try.

Jim H



Received from magicalkingdomgroups@gmail.com at 12/6/2018 05:55 PM UTC:

Most of that is available in the activity section
Click on Member Activity
Then you can click on the individual you want to look up
And see when the posted or how much the posted
And then go on to the next one



-------Original Message-------
From: Frances
Date: 12/6/2018 10:59:39 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion

I think it would be interesting to see how many members post and how many don't. If last posted date was added, and the column was clickable so I could view it by date order, I could scroll down and get a rough estimate of activity by members. I could see the join date of those who are reading but not participating, for example.Frances


moderated Re: members column for date of last post #suggestion

 

Frances, again, home run. That’s precisely the information I want and which is so difficult to attain now. The last posted date order would be extremely helpful.

As for people who don’t like it, you would not have to use it. There is no more suggestion that if substitute for the date joined. It would be additional,


On Dec 6, 2018, at 10:25 AM, Frances <frances@...> wrote:

Thanks, Toby.  You say: "That got me thinking that we can add a last post date for the most recent post/reply.”

That’s what is being suggested - to the member list in Admin. Did you have another suggestion that would allow me to see members who never post or those that post just once?

I am just curious about whether our newer members ever post. We used to have a requirement that they introduced themselves. We don’t now (although I realize we can add that in). And we’ll always have a percentage of lurkers or those who post rarely.

If we have the majority of members never post, then we cease to become an active list. If they never click on reply, even once, we can’t be relevant to them.

You mention, “likes”. I don’t believe there is any way to see them.

Really what I am talking about is metrics. Ways to measure participation and engagement.

Frances


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moderated Re: members column for date of last post #suggestion

 

With what magical kingdom suggests, you might (and in mine and many groups would) see pages and pages of the same people posting before finding the information I and Frances (and one of two others here who Liked the original suggestion) want; and you would see only active posters. You would not, importantly, have at hand a sorted list, by recent activity level or the lack thereof, of members who are INACTVE and their level of inactivity.

I think Toby’s suggestion is interesting, but for me, would not be so crucial.


On Dec 6, 2018, at 9:55 AM, "magicalkingdomgroups@..." <magicalkingdomgroups@...> wrote:

Most of that is available in the activity section
Click on Member Activity
Then you can click on the individual you want to look up
And see when the posted or how much the posted
And then go on to the next one
 
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Frances
Date: 12/6/2018 10:59:39 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion
 
I think it would be interesting to see how many members post and how many don't. If last posted date was added, and the column was clickable so I could view it by date order, I could scroll down and get a rough estimate of activity by members. I could see the join date of those who are reading but not participating, for example.

Frances
 

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moderated Re: members column for date of last post #suggestion

Frances
 

Thanks, Toby.  You say: "That got me thinking that we can add a last post date for the most recent post/reply.”

That’s what is being suggested - to the member list in Admin. Did you have another suggestion that would allow me to see members who never post or those that post just once?

I am just curious about whether our newer members ever post. We used to have a requirement that they introduced themselves. We don’t now (although I realize we can add that in). And we’ll always have a percentage of lurkers or those who post rarely.

If we have the majority of members never post, then we cease to become an active list. If they never click on reply, even once, we can’t be relevant to them.

You mention, “likes”. I don’t believe there is any way to see them.

Really what I am talking about is metrics. Ways to measure participation and engagement.

Frances


moderated Re: members column for date of last post #suggestion

Toby Kraft
 

Frances,
Just want to mention there is no way to know who is 'reading' the posts, as there is no tracking of who 'opened' the email message (or viewed on the web either as far as I know). 
That got me thinking that we can add a last post date for the most recent post/reply.  But what about "Like"?  Members could read posts and "Like" them so they are interacting with the group but not necessarily posting.  Perhaps another data field of 'most recent Like' would be useful?
Toby


moderated Re: members column for date of last post #suggestion

Leeni
 

Most of that is available in the activity section
Click on Member Activity
Then you can click on the individual you want to look up
And see when the posted or how much the posted
And then go on to the next one
 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: Frances
Date: 12/6/2018 10:59:39 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion
 
I think it would be interesting to see how many members post and how many don't. If last posted date was added, and the column was clickable so I could view it by date order, I could scroll down and get a rough estimate of activity by members. I could see the join date of those who are reading but not participating, for example.

Frances
 


moderated Re: members column for date of last post #suggestion

 

That’s pretty much exactly why I want it.


On Dec 6, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Frances <frances@...> wrote:

I think it would be interesting to see how many members post and how many don't. If last posted date was added, and the column was clickable so I could view it by date order, I could scroll down and get a rough estimate of activity by members. I could see the join date of those who are reading but not participating, for example.

Frances

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