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moderated Re: Gmail.com From re-writing

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Mark,

            I'm hoping the screen shot, which is from my "signature test" topic, showing the flow in Gmail's web interface and the warning banners might be useful.


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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: Test for Groups.io signature append

 

Yes, the quote is there.


On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 8:08 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

This message is originating from Outlook 2016, for the same e-mail account that I am registered under at Groups.io for all groups I participate in.

 

I do not have any sort of signature pre-configured in Outlook, and have never had my Gmail webmail signature appended to messages for this account that I did not originate using Gmail webmail.

 

So, let’s see if my Fran Leibowitz quote that’s currently set for the Beta group to be used when either web posting or e-mail posting automagically appears on this message in the Groups.io web forum interface, which is what I would expect.  Also, those of you reading via e-mail, does anything show up when my message arrives in your inbox?

 


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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Test for Groups.io signature append

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

2nd reply from web interface.  I'm now wondering if this is something related to how Groups.io and Gmail interact when Gmail's webmail interface is used.  I did replies this morning exactly like my first reply using Outlook 2016, including deleting old material, and that signature is not here in Group Help.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: Test for Groups.io signature append

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Reply from Outlook 2016.  I am cutting out the quoted material below, which I would normally do if retention is not necessary for context.

 


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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: Test for Groups.io signature append

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

OK, it did show up this time, and this is the first time I've experimented with originating a topic.  This reply is coming from the web interface.  The next will come via e-mail.

This message has the signature as any that I ever create via the web interface do.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Test for Groups.io signature append

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

This message is originating from Outlook 2016, for the same e-mail account that I am registered under at Groups.io for all groups I participate in.

 

I do not have any sort of signature pre-configured in Outlook, and have never had my Gmail webmail signature appended to messages for this account that I did not originate using Gmail webmail.

 

So, let’s see if my Fran Leibowitz quote that’s currently set for the Beta group to be used when either web posting or e-mail posting automagically appears on this message in the Groups.io web forum interface, which is what I would expect.  Also, those of you reading via e-mail, does anything show up when my message arrives in your inbox?

 


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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 10:14 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Are you guys sure it’s not being appended?
Yes.  If I can't see it in Gmail's web interface, Outlook 2016, or Thunderbird for messages I originated (not topics, but messages) via e-mail then, as far as I'm concerned, I've definitely checked as thoroughly as possible before saying that, "Yes."
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 07:30 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
it showed up again...but I had to look below the quoted content to find it.
That's what I've been speculating: that the problem is that the sig shows up below the text you're responding to. And if there are 10 prior messages, the sig will be all the way at the end, on the very bottom, and will look like it's not there at all. If that's what's been happening, at least in your case (ellipses or no ellipses), then it's what I complained about several years ago and concluded, based on Mark's response (or lack thereof? I don't remember at this point), that nothing could be done about it.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 10:14 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Have you looked within the ellipses below the message you’re replying to, or are you all saying it does not even get appended when you start a thread?
There is no ellipsis in my email client.

In one group, a *reply* I sent came through minus my group sig line, even though I had one set up. But I just initiated a *new topic* through Shalstest and the sig line did show up on that one. And when I replied to that, it showed up again...but I had to look below the quoted content to find it.

I've also noticed that if I create a new sig line, and click on the "Use Signature for Web Posting" box at top, both boxes end up checked even though I only clicked in the one. So I'm not sure if the second box here is *really* checked, or just appears to be.

It's all very mysterious...and I'm still investigating. 

Bruce


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Duane
 

On one of my groups, it worked fine about 3 hours ago.  One of the members sent an email reply and his group signature was added as it should be.  This groups is set to plain text only, but not sure if that would have anything to do with it.

Duane


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

 

Are you guys sure it’s not being appended? Have you looked within the ellipses below the message you’re replying to, or are you all saying it does not even get appended when you start a thread? 


On Dec 7, 2018, at 7:00 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 09:46 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
The signature line you define in your Subscription simply gets inserted in the online message editor whenever you initiate or reply to a message. If you subsequently edit it out, it doesn't get appended to those posts, either.

This does not strike me as a bug. 
Well, now watch me backtrack...

There's a checkbox that says "Use Signature for Email Posting." I have both checked, and (like Brian) the sig line is not being appended to my emails...so now I'm at a loss to explain what "email posting" checkbox is supposed to do.

Chagrined,
Bruce

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 09:56 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Then, if that's the case, and it seems it is, what in the hell is the "Use Signature For Email Posting" checkbox even for?  It serves absolutely, positively no functional purpose.  And if that's the case, it should be removed.
Relax, Brian. I agree.

And if you had said it this way in the first place, maybe we wouldn't have ended up talking about footers and ellipses and the like.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 09:46 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
The signature line you define in your Subscription simply gets inserted in the online message editor whenever you initiate or reply to a message. If you subsequently edit it out, it doesn't get appended to those posts, either.

This does not strike me as a bug. 
Well, now watch me backtrack...

There's a checkbox that says "Use Signature for Email Posting." I have both checked, and (like Brian) the sig line is not being appended to my emails...so now I'm at a loss to explain what "email posting" checkbox is supposed to do.

Chagrined,
Bruce


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 09:46 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
The signature line you define in your Subscription simply gets inserted in the online message editor whenever you initiate or reply to a message.
Then, if that's the case, and it seems it is, what in the hell is the "Use Signature For Email Posting" checkbox even for?  It serves absolutely, positively no functional purpose.  And if that's the case, it should be removed.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 06:10 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Just re-checked, and the Groups.io signature is nowhere to be found in messages I send by e-mail.  Some have my regular Gmail signature, others nothing but the text of the message I sent (formatted, of course).
Brian -- 

The signature line you define in your Subscription simply gets inserted in the online message editor whenever you initiate or reply to a message. If you subsequently edit it out, it doesn't get appended to those posts, either.

This does not strike me as a bug. 

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Shal,

           Gmail, Outlook 2016, and Thunderbird all show my messages as Sent, since I sent them.  What I'm saying is that I would expect, within the Groups.io web interface they would show my Groups.io signature and that the Groups.io signature is what all other group recipients would see.  So far as I can tell, this is not the case.  It seems to me that the Groups.io signature does not get used if I send an e-mail message as the chosen interface to Groups.io.

If that's not how it works then I have no idea what the "use for e-mail posting" checkbox in relation to the Groups.io signature even means.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

 

Brian,

Just re-checked, and the Groups.io signature is nowhere to be found in messages I send by e-mail.  Some have my regular Gmail signature, others nothing but the text of the message I sent (formatted, of course).

If those messages are also missing the standard Groups.io footers, then chances are Gmail is fooling you by showing you the message as sent, not the message returned by Groups.io.

This can also be seen in the very abbreviated collection of headers shown in Show Original, as compared to other messages that went through Groups.io.

Shal


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Just re-checked, and the Groups.io signature is nowhere to be found in messages I send by e-mail.  Some have my regular Gmail signature, others nothing but the text of the message I sent (formatted, of course).

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: Gmail.com From re-writing

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Can you verify that the ones that were your own responses had the From line re-written to be from the groups.io domain? Also, the one that was not your response, was that written by a Gmail user?
The From: field for my own responses shows my Gmail address.  I have checked this via "Show Original" in Gmail's webmail.

The other messages were from a non-Gmail user, and I do not believe these were flagged, but I will not guarantee that.  It's been enough hours between this morning and my seeing this request that I cannot be absolutely sure.  The sender's address ends in .se
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: Gmail.com From re-writing

 

I meant to say that the BCC problem stopped right around time the other problem started. It was like a teeter totter.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

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