I was looking for command in this group and not finding it.  But there it is in groups I moderate.

Thanks Shal. Next time I have a problem I go the moderators group, which I didn't know about before.

Steve L

Invites are logged as "invited xyz with message pqr." Yet direct-adds are just logged as "invited xyz," without logging the message sent.
It would be helpful to log the message in that case as well.
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

That is, if Markhad no other system changes, corrections, requests to implement first?
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

Steve,

... cant find Settings -> etc.

It is in the Admin pages, on the left below Subscription and above Messages. If you don't see the Admin pages then you do not moderate the group (or do not have the needed permission); in which case sorry - that's a group setting and you can't change it.

So I guess in that case what you're asking for is the equivalent function, but as a Subscription setting for each individual member.

Shal

OTOH I guess you could keep counting the (non-operational) tags even when hashtags are disabled, and do everything else you'd normally do to them, just in case they're enabled again. It seems like more trouble than it's worth IMO.
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

not enough Sunday morning coffee in my system, cant find Settings -> etc.

Steve

So do you want any messages created between the time that hashtags are disabled and then re-enabled to be counted in the stats (etc.)for the hashtag(s) that had been temporarily disabled?

You have, say, 48 topics with #tagX. You disable hashtags, time goes by, and 50 more messages are created with #tagX and the tags are treated as plain text. Then you enable hashtags again.

Does the count for #tagX still show as 48, or do you want all of those 50 topics to be added to it? If so, it's a PITA for the system. If not, then the hashtag count is incorrect.

I think there are other issues but that's the first one that comes to mind.
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

As I said in my suggestions, "When selected, "#anything" would be treated as plain text."  So if hashtags already exist in your group and hashtags are disabled, they just become plain text.  They are not removed, not invisible, they are just text.  If hashtags are enabled again, then they are processed as hashtags. 

I know this is a very simplistic view, but conceptionally processing the subject line would work like this:

     Are hashtags disabled?

         No - proceed with current processing (no change)

         Yes - go X, where X bypasses the hashtag processing routine

The same would happen when displaying the sidebar.  If disabled, no Hashtag tab is displayed.  So the hashtag page does not "go away" but is just not displayed.  If enabled, they would again display.  New hashtags would be processed according to the group settings.

Hope that makes it clearer.

Peace,
Tom

Chris,
Thanks, & yes I track those things but also keep all emails including removed, Unsubscribed, rejoined joined, etc.
We even send an inquiry email to each one who unsubscribes for any reason asking them to tell us something about why they did so.
In about 95% of unsubscribes, we never receive a response to that.
Many of the responders say something intelligent like, "I set for individual emails and I've received too many"
If they are lurkers, we don't encourage rejoining but if they are contributors or actively seeking help we try to reach out and re-direct invite them.

I and my other owners/moderators/mentors have been operating this group for almost 20 years, long before Yahoo swallowed either e groups or ecircles, whichever came last.
I wasn't complaining.  I was just indicating that there has been a drastic reduction in the number of spam tagged messages and members recently.
Sometimes drastic changes indicate success & at other times, they might be flags indication something went wrong.

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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 11:13 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:

I've had 19 unsubscribes since July 18, 2018 and I haven't seen one of these since that date, making 20..
Is the system still working for spam marked emails or is it disabled or broken?

Bob; going right back to when you started this thread, but following your most recent post a couple of questions spring to mind.

• Have you looked at your Activity log? Use the Removed because of spam report Action filter; that will list those members who were removed for that reason. Use the Resumed Membership filter to find those that took appropriate remedial action. Are there any entries for which you did not receive notifications?
  
  
• Have you read the GMF wiki on the subject? Removed for Marking Messages as spam is here. There is a list of Mail Service Providers known or suspected of operating FBLs to trigger removal of members. And yes; the service providers you named are on it. :)

Chris

Bob,

But we average about 50-60 newbies each month and quite a few unsubbed
for spam were usually in that group.

That doesn't preclude the last of the candidates.

Or maybe Groups.io is getting to be "too big to block" [nods at Lena] for some services.

It seems that the services most often doing this are Hotmail,
RoadRunner, Yahoo, Yahoo based services (all att domains, Verizon)

We've been making a list, though I can't say we've been checking it twice ;-)
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam#Service-Providers

Shal

Shal, I agree with your suggestion.  I also think it would be good to add a little more explanation that the action groups.io is taking is based on internet standards that mail service providers are implementing to control spam.  (as opposed to some arbitrary thing that groups.io is doing).

Also, when I resize the window smaller than full screen and scroll down to the bottom of the help page, the nav links panel on the left does not scroll so the bottom links are not visible and the highlight that syncs from the right panel is gone.  The bottom link I see is the "Receiving duplicate messages" one.
Thanks
Toby

Thanks Shal,
But we average about 50-60 newbies each month and quite a few unsubbed for spam were usually in that group.
It seems that the services most often doing this are Hotmail, RoadRunner, Yahoo, Yahoo based services (all att domains, Verizon)
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

Mark,

* NEW: Added a section to the Help about the FBL and people being
removed because of spam.

In the last sentence I would change "And they know" to "The email also lets them know".

I'd also shorten the link text in the left column to "Removed because of Spam". It is the longest text, and overlaps the main text if the window is too narrow.

Shal

Thanks for that clarification. I think this is a huge boon! 

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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

The point is - your group's home page can be accessed as <groupname>.groups.io instead of groups.io/g/<groupname> which is simpler (no "/"s in the URL, eg there is no path following the host/domain name).
I tried both http and https and both worked correctly.  I think this used to work, got broke somewhere along the line and is now fixed.  
It's nothing more than a slight convenience and can be simply ignored if you like.  The nickname for our group is "ecn" so I can tell people our site is "ecn.groups.io" which is way easier to write/say than one with a couple of '/'s.  My 2¢ worth..
Toby

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 05:21 PM, Steve wrote:

1-  It would be nice to either force displayed messages in a default font at my location or have the program force a default font.  It gets hard to read when some posts come in oversize because the sender is trying to make a point or just showing off.

A third option might be that they have sight problems and have to set their font to a large size to see what they have typed.

However your 2nd point is entirely valid...

Chris

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 09:24 PM, Patty Sliney wrote:

I am not getting any notices of list members unsubbed for marking a message as spam. 

Go to Subscription>Notifications and make sure "Email when a member joins/leaves this group" is checked.

This is not a feature request. Please post such inquiries to GroupManagersForum.

Regards,
Bruce

The date isn't necessary for today and will be added if the chat spans additional days.

Duane

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 05:15 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

Huh?

I don't think I could have put that any better. Firstly the statement Now, I can go to http://groupname.groups.io is incorrect; it returns a list of things that (in my case) Google has found in respect of the group I moderate. To have any chance of working it has to be https... which makes a world of difference.to the outcome.

I still don't know what the "point" actually is anyway; I have a shortcut on this PC (ditto the laptop used when I am elsewhere) which takes me to a (Groups.io) list of all my groups from which I can go to the message page of my choice. No typing in the browser at all.  

Chris ("Puzzled of Northern England")