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moderated Member display issue when Infinite Scroll is set #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

there have been a couple of reports on GMF lately #37524 and #37582 about not being able to display membership details and it seems that if Infinite Scroll is selected, you cannot display details beyond about the 60th in the list.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Downgraded group #bug

 

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 9:32 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
I haven't verified this, but feel it needs to be checked out in case others run into it.  Someone on Group_Help created a new group (with membership limits) as a Premium group.  They got 118 members within the first month.  At the end of the month when the Premium status ended, the group was locked, as it should be.  Apparently, they weren't able to upgrade to Premium again. "...Every time, after clicked on "+ upgrade", in the next screen, when i clik on the green botton of "upgrade with yearly billing" in the Premium Plan, it" goes to the group Home page.  Rather than report it, they started a new group, paying for a year of Premium.

Yep, there was a bug that didn't allow locked groups to be upgraded. I fixed that yesterday.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Downgraded group #bug

Duane
 

I haven't verified this, but feel it needs to be checked out in case others run into it.  Someone on Group_Help created a new group (with membership limits) as a Premium group.  They got 118 members within the first month.  At the end of the month when the Premium status ended, the group was locked, as it should be.  Apparently, they weren't able to upgrade to Premium again. "...Every time, after clicked on "+ upgrade", in the next screen, when i clik on the green botton of "upgrade with yearly billing" in the Premium Plan, it" goes to the group Home page.  Rather than report it, they started a new group, paying for a year of Premium.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: RSS feeds for private groups? #suggestion

 

Colin,

If the RSS feeds are retrieved over HTTPS then there's no more
security risk than any member's password being compromised.
Huh?

HTTPS does nothing to authenticate that the person using the URL even has an account at Groups.io, much less is a member of the specific group.

A member-specific token (hashed) helps somewhat by preventing non-members from obtaining a valid token merely by visiting the group's home page.

But if a member forwards or posts the tokenized URL somewhere then it is game over. First someone would have to detect that the URL is being misused, and then there would need to be a means to repudiate the token.

Both are possible*, but detecting that there is misuse is by far the more challenging. Even if the perp does something so blatant as posting the group's messages on a public blog it can be a considerable length of time before someone stumbles upon that fact.

Shal
*An URL with an embedded token is in fact the means by which Flickr implements the "Guest Pass" feature, and those tokens can be repudiated. It is also the means by which the former Yahoo! Groups implemented an ability for members to retrieve message attachments from the site without being logged in. I think Google Photos' Shared Album feature works similarly, and I think there are many other examples of quasi-private sharing by means of a secret (tokenized) URL.

However, except Yahoo Groups, the examples I can think of are all situations where the person creating the "share" link is the owner of the shared content. This is not the case with the messages of a Groups.io group.


moderated Re: New group message and chat message notifications #update

 

Exactly! Which is why I reported that date “bug” a few days ago. 😀


On Mar 25, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:41 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I will not turn on the sending of these notifications until Monday, March 29th,
I think it's 2021 now :-)


Is it? Ever since the pandemic, it's felt like it's eternally March 2020.....

Fixed. :-)

Mark

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moderated Re: Edit Message followed by Save and Send to Group #bug

Duane
 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 11:53 AM, Malcolm Austen wrote:
I would argue that the changed message should be going out without the hashtag and as a new topic so as to avoid such muting.
While I agree with your reasoning, and it's probably what I would do, I know that what I offered has happened more than once.  Not everyone understands how the site works, so they use what appears to work for them, not realizing that some members may not be notified.

Duane


moderated Change/additions to email headers #update

 

Hi All,

FYI, and this should make no difference to anyone, I changed the List-Unsubscribe header that we include on all messages to be a mailto: link instead of pointing to the website. Also, I added List-Subscribe and List-Help headers. I made these changes to get rspamd, a popular anti-spam system, to recognize our messages as mailing list messages, which it was not previously doing.

Cheers, Mark


moderated Re: Edit Message followed by Save and Send to Group #bug

Malcolm Austen
 

For your scenario Duane, I would argue that the changed message should be going out without the hashtag and as a new topic so as to avoid such muting.

Malcolm.

On 25/03/2021 14:23:38, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 05:29 PM, Malcolm Austen wrote:
When the poster edits and then clicks Save and Send to Group
 
1. The message is sent out without regard to any hashtag muting, everyone receives it. 
(I have not tested whether topic muting is also bypassed.)
I'm not sure that I'd consider this a bug.  As an example:

I send a message to the group with hashtag #meeting that says "The meeting will be Tuesday at 2 pm."  Member Joe realizes he can't be there at that time, so mutes the hashtag and/or topic.  I later decide to change the meeting to Wednesday at 4 pm, so I edit the message.  This is where I think the message should be sent to everyone.  Joe may be able to go to a meeting at that time, but wouldn't know it had been changed if the edited message isn't sent to him.  On the other hand, if the edited message only has to do with details, Joe doesn't need to be notified since he can't go anyway.  Unfortunately, I can see that there are situations where the edit needs to be sent to everyone, as well as those when it doesn't.  I can't think of a solution for this.

Duane


moderated Re: Edit Message followed by Save and Send to Group #bug

Malcolm Austen
 

On 25/03/2021 16:46:40, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

When the poster edits and then clicks Save and Send to Group
1. The message is sent out without regard to any hashtag muting, everyone receives it. (I have not tested whether topic muting is also bypassed.)
This has been fixed.
Thanks Mark. 
2. The email threading is incorrect, the new message has a new Message-ID and no reference to the old one.

We now set proper References/In-Reply-To headers referencing the original message id.
Thanks again Mark.

Malcolm.


moderated Re: New group message and chat message notifications #update

 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:41 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I will not turn on the sending of these notifications until Monday, March 29th,
I think it's 2021 now :-)


Is it? Ever since the pandemic, it's felt like it's eternally March 2020.....

Fixed. :-)

Mark


moderated Re: Edit Message followed by Save and Send to Group #bug

 

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 3:29 PM Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@...> wrote:
This has arisen in a free group where a poster has edited their own message. I guess it would apply if a moderator did the edit but have not tested that scenario.

When the poster edits and then clicks Save and Send to Group

1. The message is sent out without regard to any hashtag muting, everyone receives it. 
(I have not tested whether topic muting is also bypassed.)

This has been fixed.

 
2. The email threading is incorrect, the new message has a new Message-ID and no reference to the old one. For example ...
edit & send:
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 00:11:58 -0700
original:
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 00:11:58 -0700

We now set proper References/In-Reply-To headers referencing the original message id.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: New group message and chat message notifications #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I will not turn on the sending of these notifications until Monday, March 29th,
I think it's 2021 now :-)



Andy


moderated Re: Merge several GIO groups into one as sub-groups #suggestion

Louie S
 

That's good news. It sounds exactly like what we need.  I will followup.

thanks,

-louie


moderated Re: New group message and chat message notifications #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 04:05 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
At some point I will have a consolidated screen to make overall notification management easier.
That would make life easier.
 
 
Remember, no one gets any of these notifications unless and until they configure their browser (or in the future, app) to accept notifications.

I have notifications enabled in my browsers on my laptop and phone. I am also subscribed to 30+ groups and subgroups so I get the notifications for pending messages and new subscription requests etc. I don't really need extra ones for every message too. It looks like I'll be unchecking a lot of boxes.

Andy


moderated Re: New group message and chat message notifications #update

 

Ok. Will try to remember. 😀


On Mar 25, 2021, at 9:05 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:00 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I will not turn on the sending of these notifications until Monday, March 29th, which will give people time to uncheck the boxes if they wish.
That could be an awful lot of boxes to uncheck for those who are subscribed to lots of (sub)groups.  Wouldn't it be better to opt-in rather than have to opt-out.

At some point I will have a consolidated screen to make overall notification management easier.

Remember, no one gets any of these notifications unless and until they configure their browser (or in the future, app) to accept notifications.

Thanks,
Mark

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Merge several GIO groups into one as sub-groups #suggestion

 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:01 AM Louie S via groups.io <lsherwin=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
I know that this has been requested before but I asking again. It would really help if I could consolidate several closely related groups as sub-groups of the main one. This was an option of the original Yahoo migration but we didn't realize it until after our initial migrations had started. By that time the migration queue was hundreds of requests deep and it was unclear exactly how Yahoo was going to stay up.

I can move 'stand alone' groups so that they become subgroups of another group. Send an email to support with the details of what you want.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: New group message and chat message notifications #update

 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:00 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I will not turn on the sending of these notifications until Monday, March 29th, which will give people time to uncheck the boxes if they wish.
That could be an awful lot of boxes to uncheck for those who are subscribed to lots of (sub)groups.  Wouldn't it be better to opt-in rather than have to opt-out.

At some point I will have a consolidated screen to make overall notification management easier.

Remember, no one gets any of these notifications unless and until they configure their browser (or in the future, app) to accept notifications.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Merge several GIO groups into one as sub-groups #suggestion

Louie S
 

I know that this has been requested before but I asking again. It would really help if I could consolidate several closely related groups as sub-groups of the main one. This was an option of the original Yahoo migration but we didn't realize it until after our initial migrations had started. By that time the migration queue was hundreds of requests deep and it was unclear exactly how Yahoo was going to stay up.

Hopefully this would not be nearly as difficult as the initial migration from Yahoo.

I hope that this taken under consideration.

Thanks,

-louie


moderated Re: New group message and chat message notifications #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I will not turn on the sending of these notifications until Monday, March 29th, which will give people time to uncheck the boxes if they wish.
That could be an awful lot of boxes to uncheck for those who are subscribed to lots of (sub)groups.  Wouldn't it be better to opt-in rather than have to opt-out.

Andy


moderated Re: New group message and chat message notifications #update

 

I am really concerned about this, in that case. Will members now receive notifications any time any member posts to their group? Will there be a way, and preferably an easy way, for mods to turn off the default? If not, can this please not be the default?


On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 8:14 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:09 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
These are strictly mod notifications, right?
No, they're shown in the new panel "Member Notifications" on each group Subscription.

Duane


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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