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Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

 

This is irrelevant to the feature request. Do your hashtags however you want. 😀


On Sep 4, 2018, at 1:24 AM, Tony Moody <aim@...> wrote:

Hallo J,

If #hashtags are written out in full then the hashtag collection could take up a lot of space in the Subject: But they are clearly read and understood.

Were you thinking of a coded a hashtag?

I'm going back to being a maintenance engineer in food factories. 
 a code like #PCY01 could mean a Pump, of type Centrifugal, in the Yard, number1
and  #VFS01 would be the oldest Forklift in the Store and is a Vehicle for maintenance and accounting purpose.
We used codes for physical Location and for Priorities, etc

For what purposes? 
An overall asset register of interest to engineer, maintenance workshop manager, accountant, buyer, top management, and production staff.
To identify a specific piece of equipment, what it is, in broad-ish terms and where it is. Production can easily identify the asset to Engineering and Maintenance, so that it can be jobcarded and allocated to the correct team.
Accounting will easily allocate any expenses to the correct beanbag.
etc etc

Maybe a mix of both concepts (#clear and #coded) would be useful

OK,
Tony






On 3 Sep 2018 at 15:41, J_Catlady wrote about :
Subject : Re: [beta] setting to moderate ever

p.s. BTW I also have decades of software design and implementation under my belt. So you can stop with the man 'splaining.


On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:39 PM J_Catlady < j.olivia.catlady@... > wrote:
I've already proposed an alternative solution using hashtags. See the other thread. I think Mark will understand the use case and if he doesn't, he's free to ask me. I've explained it to you in greater detail offlist.
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Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

Tony Moody
 

Hallo J,

If #hashtags are written out in full then the hashtag collection could take up a lot of space in the Subject: But they are clearly read and understood.

Were you thinking of a coded a hashtag?

I'm going back to being a maintenance engineer in food factories. 
 a code like #PCY01 could mean a Pump, of type Centrifugal, in the Yard, number1
and  #VFS01 would be the oldest Forklift in the Store and is a Vehicle for maintenance and accounting purpose.
We used codes for physical Location and for Priorities, etc

For what purposes? 
An overall asset register of interest to engineer, maintenance workshop manager, accountant, buyer, top management, and production staff.
To identify a specific piece of equipment, what it is, in broad-ish terms and where it is. Production can easily identify the asset to Engineering and Maintenance, so that it can be jobcarded and allocated to the correct team.
Accounting will easily allocate any expenses to the correct beanbag.
etc etc

Maybe a mix of both concepts (#clear and #coded) would be useful

OK,
Tony






On 3 Sep 2018 at 15:41, J_Catlady wrote about :
Subject : Re: [beta] setting to moderate ever

p.s. BTW I also have decades of software design and implementation under my belt. So you can stop with the man 'splaining.


On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:39 PM J_Catlady < j.olivia.catlady@... > wrote:
I've already proposed an alternative solution using hashtags. See the other thread. I think Mark will understand the use case and if he doesn't, he's free to ask me. I've explained it to you in greater detail offlist.
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Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

I understood you the first time. And again, it's not a matter of not playing nice. It has to do with the particular situation of the group member and their cat.
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If you would provide situation and the issue why/how you want to moderate (since not a bad player in the group) it would shorten, not confuse the thread and responses. It can be generic, e.g., fruit diseases and farmers instead of felines and owners. ;-) 

While the solutions you ask for might work, it’s also very possible there’s another approach to accomplish the root goal in a different manner - if we knew what it was. 
I can’t count the times I thought I had the “best” solution, until someone else showed me that I wasn’t thinking outside the box, my head was still inside it!
There’s ........’er......  multiple methods to skin a cat. 

Ken

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Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

 

Sorry, that was meant for someone offlist.


On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:41 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
p.s. BTW I also have decades of software design and implementation under my belt. So you can stop with the man 'splaining.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:39 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I've already proposed an alternative solution using hashtags. See the other thread. I think Mark will understand the use case and if he doesn't, he's free to ask me. I've explained it to you in greater detail offlist. 

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:37 PM Walter Underwood <wunder@...> wrote:
With a clear example of the problem, Mark might have a solution that you haven’t thought of.
Mark has seen many more problems than any of us. He’s been doing this for decades.

I’ve maintained conferencing software and I’m active with Solr open source search. We commonly
see requests with an “X/Y problem”, where people have problem X and are asking about
solution Y without explaining the problem. Often, there is already a solution or even a feature
for problem X, but they are focused on the solution they have chosen.

 
wunder
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wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)

On Sep 3, 2018, at 3:30 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 03:19 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
But you won’t explain, so I don’t see how we can help.
I think I HAVE explained, and I'm not asking for your help. :) I'm asking Mark for a feature.
Have a great rest of your Labor Day. :)
 
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Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

 

I've already proposed an alternative solution using hashtags. See the other thread. I think Mark will understand the use case and if he doesn't, he's free to ask me. I've explained it to you in greater detail offlist. 


On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:37 PM Walter Underwood <wunder@...> wrote:
With a clear example of the problem, Mark might have a solution that you haven’t thought of.
Mark has seen many more problems than any of us. He’s been doing this for decades.

I’ve maintained conferencing software and I’m active with Solr open source search. We commonly
see requests with an “X/Y problem”, where people have problem X and are asking about
solution Y without explaining the problem. Often, there is already a solution or even a feature
for problem X, but they are focused on the solution they have chosen.

 
wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)

On Sep 3, 2018, at 3:30 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 03:19 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
But you won’t explain, so I don’t see how we can help.
I think I HAVE explained, and I'm not asking for your help. :) I'm asking Mark for a feature.
Have a great rest of your Labor Day. :)
 
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J
 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu



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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

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Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

Walter Underwood
 

With a clear example of the problem, Mark might have a solution that you haven’t thought of.
Mark has seen many more problems than any of us. He’s been doing this for decades.

I’ve maintained conferencing software and I’m active with Solr open source search. We commonly
see requests with an “X/Y problem”, where people have problem X and are asking about
solution Y without explaining the problem. Often, there is already a solution or even a feature
for problem X, but they are focused on the solution they have chosen.

 
wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)

On Sep 3, 2018, at 3:30 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 03:19 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
But you won’t explain, so I don’t see how we can help.
I think I HAVE explained, and I'm not asking for your help. :) I'm asking Mark for a feature.
Have a great rest of your Labor Day. :)
 
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J
 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu



Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

 

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 03:19 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
But you won’t explain, so I don’t see how we can help.
I think I HAVE explained, and I'm not asking for your help. :) I'm asking Mark for a feature.
Have a great rest of your Labor Day. :)
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

Walter Underwood
 

Obviously, it is about managing specific people at specific times. But you won’t explain, so I don’t see how we can help.

wunder
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wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)

On Sep 3, 2018, at 2:34 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 02:03 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
Myself, I’d work with the person.
I will try one more time: This has nothing to do with managing a specific person or persons, except in a few cases. This has more to do with managing threads on specifically sensitive topics, which certain people in the group, because of their specific cats' diseases, will post about. It's about moderating the advice and/or warnings posted to people whose cats are in critical (or otherwise sensitive) situations. Being able to add a hashtag to the member with cats in these situations will solve the problem just as well, and I think will also be useful in other groups, not just groups with sick cats. I've already started another thread about that so I will stop posting in this one.
 
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Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

 

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 02:03 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
Myself, I’d work with the person.
I will try one more time: This has nothing to do with managing a specific person or persons, except in a few cases. This has more to do with managing threads on specifically sensitive topics, which certain people in the group, because of their specific cats' diseases, will post about. It's about moderating the advice and/or warnings posted to people whose cats are in critical (or otherwise sensitive) situations. Being able to add a hashtag to the member with cats in these situations will solve the problem just as well, and I think will also be useful in other groups, not just groups with sick cats. I've already started another thread about that so I will stop posting in this one.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

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Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

 

Again: our cats have diagnoses already. None of this has to do with diagnosing them or managing behavior. 

And I’m sure my request is both easy to implement and useful, should Mark decide to do it. 

I really was trying to avoid all this detailed discussion or justification, because without belonging to the group itself, it’s difficult to understand the issue  or how my request, if implemented, would mitigate it. 

And again: groups.io has successfully automated many group management duties  already, thereby relieving moderators of lots of manual labor. There’s no reason for it not to continue doing that.

I don’t think I will continue to try to bat down further objections to the feature. Mark will, as always, make his own decision.


On Sep 3, 2018, at 2:02 PM, Walter Underwood <wunder@...> wrote:

Hmm, I think it has to do with trying to solve bad human behavior with technological blocks. Myself, I’d work with the person. Calling them on the phone has worked for me.

I think specific examples, with redactions of course, would be extremely helpful in understanding this problem. So far, I’ve seen solutions without an understandable problem.

I’m not just shooting in the dark here. I have a disabled child with no diagnosis and I managed discussion groups with 5000 opinionated engineers at Hewlett-Packard.

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)

On Sep 3, 2018, at 10:28 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I understood you the first time. And again, it's not a matter of not playing nice. It has to do with the particular situation of the group member and their cat.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

Walter Underwood
 

Hmm, I think it has to do with trying to solve bad human behavior with technological blocks. Myself, I’d work with the person. Calling them on the phone has worked for me.

I think specific examples, with redactions of course, would be extremely helpful in understanding this problem. So far, I’ve seen solutions without an understandable problem.

I’m not just shooting in the dark here. I have a disabled child with no diagnosis and I managed discussion groups with 5000 opinionated engineers at Hewlett-Packard.

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)

On Sep 3, 2018, at 10:28 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I understood you the first time. And again, it's not a matter of not playing nice. It has to do with the particular situation of the group member and their cat.
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moderated Re: Calendar overly updates repeating events. #suggestion

Michael Pavan
 

I should've have written:

Also, Federal Election Day in the United States of America is the Tuesday following the first Monday in November 
- the 1st day after the 1st Monday [in November] and repeats every 24 months [even years]. 
Some States also hold elections on that date every year, or every other but on odd years.


On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:
On Aug 6, 2018, at 10:52 PM, Rick Steeves <groups.io@...> wrote:

I have an event that occurs on the following the 3rd Friday (which isn't always the 3rd Saturday).

My usual process is to create the (repeating) event on the 3rd Saturday, and then edit the occasional incorrect event to change the date to the appropriate Saturday on the months where the Saturday that follows the 3rd Friday isn't the 3rd Saturday.

OK. So if I go back and need to change the calendar event for all events, I edit the calendar event. It then replaces the event on all of the 3rd Saturdays.
Another work-around would be to create it as a 3rd Friday event with the event name "Day after 3rd Friday 'event'" - not very satisfying, but less labor intensive.


I thought such an event might be unusual, until I realized that I know of 2 events that are the first Saturday after Labor Day
- the 5th day after the 1st Monday [in September] and repeats every 12 months.

Also, Federal Election Day in the United States of America is the Tuesday following the first Monday in November
- the 6th day after the 1st Monday [in November] and repeats every 24 months [even years].
Some States also hold elections on that date every year, or every other but on odd years.

I suggest adding a "Days after"


moderated Button to temporarily swap Owner/Mod view to Subscriber view (for testing purposes)

Alan N
 

Not sure if this has previously been requested.  I'm a new Group Owner,  and finding it cumbersome to "see" what how the website appears to regular (non Owner or Moderator) Subscribers.  I only have ONE personal email address, and would rather not have to create another one to subscribe (as a "testing profile") for my group.  It would be a lot easier to have the option (under Owner or Moderator Settings) to easily swap back and forth.

Is something like that feasible?


Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

 

I also want to moderate threads for any cat in extremely critical condition, and with one of the subcategories of disease, etc.


On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 11:35 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
This kind of comment is exactly why I did not want to get into the specific application
I'm sorry. I tend to get exasperated when people don't understand me after I've failed to explain myself. ;)

The idea is that either the member or the mod applies the hashtag at some point, thus *eliminating* the need to moderate on a per-message basis and/or add it later. In our group, we deal with one main disease that has subdiagnoses. We know a priori when a member joins which their cat has (or the cat may be diagnosed with it later). We would apply the hashtag to the member immediately upon joining, or when their cat's diagnosis becomes known.

I've started a separate thread about this, since it's a different feature on its own.

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Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

 

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
This kind of comment is exactly why I did not want to get into the specific application
I'm sorry. I tend to get exasperated when people don't understand me after I've failed to explain myself. ;)

The idea is that either the member or the mod applies the hashtag at some point, thus *eliminating* the need to moderate on a per-message basis and/or add it later. In our group, we deal with one main disease that has subdiagnoses. We know a priori when a member joins which their cat has (or the cat may be diagnosed with it later). We would apply the hashtag to the member immediately upon joining, or when their cat's diagnosis becomes known.

I've started a separate thread about this, since it's a different feature on its own.

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moderated Re: Ability to apply hashtags to group members #suggestion

 

In some groups, the members might apply their own hashtags to themselves (e.g., #ToledoOhio) to save themselves from manually adding it to every one of their threads. I see this as akin to the auto-signature, which either the member or the moderators can edit, and it would be on the member page.
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Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

 

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Michael Pavan wrote:
It sounds like you need to Moderate everyone
No, I absolutely don't need or want to moderate everyone.

I doubt software could be written that would know and/or diagnose all your members’ cats and their diseases
This kind of comment is exactly why I did not want to get into the specific application. I am not asking for anything like that. Sigh.

 
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Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

Michael Pavan
 

It would also solve another problem, where I want all threads started by someone whose cat has a certain subset of the disease we deal with to have the hashtag for that subset of the disease. Often, the people fail to append the hashtag. Having this feature would allow me to do it automatically.
It sounds like you need to Moderate everyone, so that you can determine and apply the appropriate hashtag(s).

Or set up all the appropriate hashtags that match the "certain subsets of the diseases we deal with” and mandate that all messages must use one of those hashtags. I’m not sure if this is currently possible, and if it is you still would have to hope (or Moderate so) that they are correctly applied.

I doubt software could be written that would know and/or diagnose all your members’ cats and their diseases (especially if it has to be done by email) and/or if members do not yet know what "certain subset of the disease we deal with” any of their cats might have. Also how would it handle members who use the same email address for different cats who may have different ailments?


moderated Ability to apply hashtags to group members #suggestion

 

This came up in another thread, but it would be a separate feature that can apply to several situations. I'm suggesting an ability to "apply" hashtags to group members. If a member has a certain tag, then all topics they start would automatically have that tag. Possible uses:
  • the member's geographical location in, for example, a group doing sales
  • the species of the member's pet in a group about animals
  • the specific diagnosed disease of the member's pet in a group about pet health
  • the member's area of specialty in a technical group
  • etc
The ability to apply hashtag to a member would also allow moderators to apply a "moderated" hashtag to any member whose threads they want to be automatically moderated, or various other characteristics of hashtags (auto-lock within a given duration, reply to sender, etc.) depending on the member's situation.

There are probably other uses.
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Re: setting to moderate every thread a member starts #suggestion

 

I'm going to start a separate thread with this request. I think it can apply in a lot of situations.


On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 10:43 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Mark,

Here is another solution to my problem/request. I have actually thought about requesting this in a different context, so it would solve two separate problems: Would it be possible to specify, for any given member, a hashtag that is automatically affixed to any thread they start? That would allow me to set a certain hashtag to "moderated," so that any threads a person with that hashtag starts is automatically moderated. 

It would also solve another problem, where I want all threads started by someone whose cat has a certain subset of the disease we deal with to have the hashtag for that subset of the disease. Often, the people fail to append the hashtag. Having this feature would allow me to do it automatically.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 10:32 AM J_Olivia Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Specifically, their cat's illness. I think any more details would be a distraction here. As I said, the feature would be helpful for us. 'Nuff said.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 10:28 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I understood you the first time. And again, it's not a matter of not playing nice. It has to do with the particular situation of the group member and their cat.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

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