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locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

 

I’m getting confused just reading this.


On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 02:59 PM, ro-esp wrote:
Is there a way to contribute financially if you don't have a paid group?
Here's a suggestion I made recently on GMF:
One option would be to create a test group (using the settings required by GIO - "If you are creating a group solely for testing, please ensure that the Visibility option is set for Group not listed in directory, private messages, otherwise the group will be deleted.") and upgrade it to Premium for a month now and then to show your appreciation.  That would keep folks from getting confused when your regular group has features that come and go.  You could also change it to a 'real' group later if you want.

Duane


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locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Duane
 

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 02:59 PM, ro-esp wrote:
Is there a way to contribute financially if you don't have a paid group?
Here's a suggestion I made recently on GMF:
One option would be to create a test group (using the settings required by GIO - "If you are creating a group solely for testing, please ensure that the Visibility option is set for Group not listed in directory, private messages, otherwise the group will be deleted.") and upgrade it to Premium for a month now and then to show your appreciation.  That would keep folks from getting confused when your regular group has features that come and go.  You could also change it to a 'real' group later if you want.

Duane


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ro-esp
 

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 11:50 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

the larger the group, the more it costs us to host.
Does a quiet group with 1000 members always cost you more than a busy one with just a few dozen?

Do you have any statistics on how many groups there are, how big they are and how busy?

Is there a way to contribute financially if you don't have a paid group?

groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo


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Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 08:08 PM, M K Ramadoss wrote:
Cost of 5 cents per year should not be a burden for anyone!
Having reread Mark's original post about this a couple of times it appears to be 5 cents per month, not per year.

Chris


moderated Re: Allow members to mute other members #suggestion

Rick N
 

Most, if not all, email clients allow the creation of "rules" or "filters" that can be used to put selected messages directly in the trash. 

IF a car has seatbelts too short to fit properly, you don't ask the car's manufacturer to reengineer the seatbelt.

Rick

Virus-free. www.avast.com


On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 10:57 AM David Bennett via groups.io <davidbennett=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
There is a member in my group who has taken an intense dislike to another member. Both members are respectful in their postings, and neither member violates the terms of membership.

However, the dislike is so strong that one member has left groups.io because he can't stand seeing posts from the other member.

To be able to keep both members in the group, there needs to be an option for the first member to mute the second member (and thus, never see the second member's posts). It would probably be easiest to implement by making the muting two-way. That is, the second member won't ever see the first member's posts, either, and thus won't be in a position of trying to reply to the first member when the reply will never be seen by the first member.


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

M K Ramadoss
 

Mark has to run a self sustaining business with a reasonable profit so that Group.io will survive and successful in the long run. The tech support users are getting is outstanding.

I host couple of groups; some with large number of members and most of them are lurkers. Cost of 5 cents per year should not be a burden for anyone!

MKR 


On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 1:59 PM Russell Courtenay via groups.io <walruswebtech=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I understand there are costs but I operate a large number of enthusiast groups from which I make no money, I do it because I enjoy the topic. Some of these groups get big, some don’t, some donate to cover expenses, some don’t get the concept that electrons are free but hosting costs money. 

If this was my commercial enterprise, I would include such costs in ‘cost of doing business’, no problem, how do we stay in touch with something that is not profitable but still very valuable?


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Russell Courtenay
 

I understand there are costs but I operate a large number of enthusiast groups from which I make no money, I do it because I enjoy the topic. Some of these groups get big, some don’t, some donate to cover expenses, some don’t get the concept that electrons are free but hosting costs money. 

If this was my commercial enterprise, I would include such costs in ‘cost of doing business’, no problem, how do we stay in touch with something that is not profitable but still very valuable?


moderated Atachment Removal #suggestion

billsf9c
 

Attachment removal seach in ~Groups Management list had no solution but agreements. I post a well stated excerp;

"IIRC Mark was considering / looking at ways of preventing duplicates being stored but I don't know if it came to anything or if it is still in the Pending Tray.

Suggestions for beta, I think.

Chris"

(For the present I am trying to learn how to remove repeated attachments without deleting an entire message.)

BillSF9c


moderated Combination of "hashtags required" and "messages moderated" sometimes causes posts to disappear #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- The following bug was recently reported by a user in GMF ( https://groups.io/g/Group_Help/message/1870 ).

If you require hashtags in the group and an incoming email does not meet those criteria, the message is held as a Draft until that person logs in and corrects the subject line. But if the message is also supposed to be moderated, it does not go into moderation after being fixed, nor does it bypass moderation and post. It simply disappears.

This occurs whether the message originated from a regular Member or an Owner. I've confirmed this with the following settings:
Spam Control > Message Moderation > All messages are moderated
Message Policies > Hashtags Required
Message Policies > Hashtag Permissions > Messages from members can only be tagged with existing hashtags, otherwise the message is bounced

I suspect that some other obscure combinations of settings could lead to the same behavior.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

 

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 09:27 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
there is no corresponding activity in the Activity Log, which is a bit inconsistent.

And arguably irksome.
Right, the total lack of logging owner messages has been *irksome* for a long, long time! When is this going to change?
 
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J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:10 AM Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@...> wrote:

Mark, I wonder whether I am right in my reading of these changes - I think I see an implication that it will no longer be possible for a (current) free group to pay for one month to gain access to Direct Add or to import an archive and then revert to the previous free status (only to the new-rules free status). Am I reading this correctly?

No, nothing changes with that. You can upgrade for a month, do your direct add, and then downgrade again to free. Note that we have always asked groups to pay for a year of premium for us to import archives.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

 

Mark,
Thanks.


On Dec 17, 2020, at 9:27 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 8:18 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I have no more members listed as bouncing, but I sent an owner message to a member who has not responded, which is unusual for him, and I wonder if it bounced. His email delivery history shows no bounces and he's subscribed via digest. Would a bounced owner message show up in his history?

Yes, it should.

Mark 

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 04:18 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Would a bounced owner message show up in his history?
Having just tried it, yes. The Bounced Message is listed as "Post to Member" for which there is no corresponding activity in the Activity Log, which is a bit inconsistent.

And arguably irksome.

Chris


moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

 

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 8:18 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I have no more members listed as bouncing, but I sent an owner message to a member who has not responded, which is unusual for him, and I wonder if it bounced. His email delivery history shows no bounces and he's subscribed via digest. Would a bounced owner message show up in his history?

Yes, it should.

Mark 


moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

 

I have no more members listed as bouncing, but I sent an owner message to a member who has not responded, which is unusual for him, and I wonder if it bounced. His email delivery history shows no bounces and he's subscribed via digest. Would a bounced owner message show up in his history?

Thanks.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Sandi D
 

It's nice to see that the large non profits are covered with a discount. Thanks. Hoping someday that our smaller ones will be offered a discount at the Premium levels.
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moderated Re: Allow members to mute other members #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 

Couldn't they just use whatever MUA they are using to filter out mail from the other person?

Best,

Glenn

On 12/16/2020 21:18, David Bennett via groups.io wrote:
There is a member in my group who has taken an intense dislike to another member. Both members are respectful in their postings, and neither member violates the terms of membership.

However, the dislike is so strong that one member has left groups.io because he can't stand seeing posts from the other member.

To be able to keep both members in the group, there needs to be an option for the first member to mute the second member (and thus, never see the second member's posts). It would probably be easiest to implement by making the muting two-way. That is, the second member won't ever see the first member's posts, either, and thus won't be in a position of trying to reply to the first member when the reply will never be seen by the first member.


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moderated Allow members to mute other members #suggestion

David Bennett
 

There is a member in my group who has taken an intense dislike to another member. Both members are respectful in their postings, and neither member violates the terms of membership.

However, the dislike is so strong that one member has left groups.io because he can't stand seeing posts from the other member.

To be able to keep both members in the group, there needs to be an option for the first member to mute the second member (and thus, never see the second member's posts). It would probably be easiest to implement by making the muting two-way. That is, the second member won't ever see the first member's posts, either, and thus won't be in a position of trying to reply to the first member when the reply will never be seen by the first member.


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Malcolm Austen
 

On 16/12/2020 22:50:55, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

<snip> Notes: <snip> 

Malcolm Austen: 
Mark, I wonder whether I am right in my reading of these changes - I think I see an implication that it will no longer be possible for a (current) free group to pay for one month to gain access to Direct Add or to import an archive and then revert to the previous free status (only to the new-rules free status). Am I reading this correctly?

Keep safe, Malcolm.


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Mark Irving
 

As a co-owner of a legacy Free group with a lot of members, I am relieved that these new prices won't affect me. I am concerned that they will put off potential new groups and upgrades of old groups.

For me it's a contribution to a low-budget hobby; when looking for a group host site as we moved off Yahoo! Groups two or three years ago, a $3000/year cost for a Premium plan would have ruled out Groups.io completely. (My personal spending on vintage sewing machines, for which I help look after more than one group, is less than $100 per year. Yes, donations might cover some of the costs, but wouldn't arrive until after signing up and paying out first.)

Would it be realistic to charge a per-member cost which decreased with larger groups? For example, less than $0.55/year for members after the 800th for Premium groups?

Of course I appreciate that Mark has to raise the costs of running his business. I also appreciate the excellent system he has created and is maintaining. Thank you!

 - Mark

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