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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 02:25 AM, Andy W wrote:
If you are creating a private reply then I think the default is to show it coming from the owner address
That would/could only happen if (a) the subgroup member is a moderator of the main group and (b) the subgroup member uses the Send Message feature from the member's page. Both of those comprised my original suggestion to take the place of this non-subgroup-post-to-parent-group feature in the first place.

I'm not sure what would happen with a private reply from the subgroup. I'm not sure it would go to Fred, who is a non-member of the subgroup. I'm guessing that the only way a subgroup member could reply to Fred is outside the subgroup, either using Send Message from Fred's member page as above (if the subgroup member has been made a moderator - which the original requestor, Dave B, did not want to do), or by a personal message outside the group. Not sure whether a private reply would even work in this case. Would be easy to test.
 
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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Oh, ok. I wasn't looking at the interaction of the two settings, nor at web vs email replies. I was referring only to the fact that when it IS working as intended, it STILL does not allow the opportunity for anything more than the subgroup members receiving a single message from the non-subgroup member. Further conversation that includes Fred, or even a simple response to him from a subgroup member, is precluded because Fred is not in the subgroup. I thought that was your point but I guess I misunderstood. 
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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Andy Wedge
 

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 03:44 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
That seems to be correct and it was the problem I saw with the request for this feature (although it may serve the requestor's purposes).
My point was that the message from a parent group member to a subgroup ends up being either rejected or moderated due to the setting of 'Allow Non Subscribers to Post'.  The option 'Allow Parent Subscribers to Post' doesn't seem to have any effect on it's own.  I am not sure of the purpose of the original request but I don't think it has been implemented or tested well anyway.

The issue (using this example) of someone on the Committee replying to the subgroup but not being able to include Fred applies only if you are posting online as there are no cc: or bcc: options as there would be when using an email client. 
(rather than just receiving a single message from) group members via the owner address.
If you are creating a private reply then I think the default is to show it coming from the owner address (if you are the owner of course). There is a drop-down though to allow you to select your own address as the sender which I guess makes it a bit more personal.

Andy



Andy


Re: Integration message moderation change

 

Mark,

I have reverted the change to how integration/notification messages
are handled. Now, as originally, they do not obey the group moderation
setting.
Yay, sort-of.

This still leaves events as a back-door around moderation, if members are allowed to create events. That could be significant for groups that rely on NuM to weed out spammers before they post.

I think this was the most straightforward solution, as you can use
hashtag settings to moderate them.
True, but this sledgehammer (applied to the #cal-... hashtags) would moderate invites, notices and reminders from all events, even "official" ones created by the group admins.

And it is a bit awkward, because the group admins must remember to apply it to all three of those hashtags. Or else have the strange situation of moderating one but not the others.

This situation points to the need for a moderation mechanism for the creation of events by members. I realize that implies several UI changes, including listing events in the Pending queue (or having a separate queue for them), and however you handle their display in the Calendar while pending (mods and creator only?).

Given that calendar events can be used to generate spam, I'd suggest that at least initially they be controlled by settings in the Spam Control section of the Group Settings. Moderate event creation by members if either Moderated or New Users Moderated is checked. Perhaps also disallow the "Subscribers can view and edit" choice in the Calendar control if the "Announcement Group" box is checked.

Shal


moderated Re: photos

Anita L
 

Nice to see all your responses. I don't want to moderate anyone. They would get upset.
 
The ads can't be controlled because it seems to come from some using the incredimail mail program.
 
I want the people to write and don't want to discourage that.
 
I really don't see why a member has to be notified about images removed in attachments that were written a year ago or more.  I have over 14,000 images in that email photo album. No need for that.
To do each one by one would take me days.
 
It would be a nice feature that could be optional and be used if the owner wants to.
 
I want to keep my members happy with the group but at the same time would love all of these images to disappear.
 
Thanks
 
Anita


moderated Re: photos

 

Anita,

Also the email photo folder is really not necessary and would be great
to be able to eliminate that. ... It does take up space.
Not really. The photos had to be stored so they would be visible when you look at the messages. The Emailed Photos album is just another way to find them, it doesn't take up any extra space.

So many images that are ads go in that folder. It would be nice to
just have a real image in that folder.
True, but storing repetitive footer images is a whole other problem - and one that's been talked about quite a bit in beta. That along with image repeated in quotes of messages.

Shal


Re: Strip Out Embedded images #suggestion

Anita L
 

I agree with this. Please do this.

Anita


Re: Strip Out Embedded images #suggestion

Anita L
 

I agree with this. Hope it will be done soon.

Anita 


moderated Re: photos

 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 01:05 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
In a moderated group if an attached photo is deleted as part of the moderation process (leaving other photos present) then the originator is not specifically notified unless the moderator adds a comment to the body of the post. This seems a little anomalous
No notification is given to the member when ANY edits are made to a pending moderated post. So I would not call the specific behavior with respect to photos anamolous.

(It's debatable whether or not the general behavior of no notice given to the member for edits to a moderated post is desirable, but that's a separate issue. I think I brought the notice issue  in a suggestion post long ago.)
 
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moderated Re: photos

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 07:05 PM, Leeni wrote:
The member should be told that the photo is being removed so they don't duplicate the infraction again.
In a moderated group if an attached photo is deleted as part of the moderation process (leaving other photos present) then the originator is not specifically notified unless the moderator adds a comment to the body of the post.

This seems a little anomalous but at the moment I am reluctant to raise it as an "issue".

Chris


moderated Re: photos

Leeni
 

Yes I reported it as a bug but haven't heard anything back.
I am told that I won't hear anything until either it is fixed or not going to be worked on. 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: J_Catlady
Date: 2/17/2019 1:15:22 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] photos
 
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 11:05 AM, Leeni wrote:
When I delete a photo in an attachment, all of the attachments get deleted,
Have you reported that as a bug yet? It's not normal behavior. (Also, I am able to delete just one attachment. Not sure why this is happening to you. I'd take it to support.)
 
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moderated Re: photos

 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 11:05 AM, Leeni wrote:
The member should be told that the photo is being removed
I agree.
 
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moderated Re: photos

 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 11:05 AM, Leeni wrote:
When I delete a photo in an attachment, all of the attachments get deleted,
Have you reported that as a bug yet? It's not normal behavior. (Also, I am able to delete just one attachment. Not sure why this is happening to you. I'd take it to support.)
 
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moderated Re: photos

 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 10:49 AM, Ken Schweizer wrote:
deleting photos in an attachment in secret
Oh, I'm noticing "in secret." I agree with you that they shouldn't be notified in secret! 
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moderated Re: photos

Leeni
 

When I delete a photo in an attachment, all of the attachments get deleted, not only the one that I selected to delete.
 
The member should be told that the photo is being removed so they don't duplicate the infraction again. Ilene 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 2/17/2019 12:49:48 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] photos
 

I just wonder why deleting photos in an attachment in secret is a great idea? I seems to me that if the photo a is against what the group owner wants, notifying the member would be the great idea in that it would prevent it from occurring in the future.

 

Just my thoughts,

Ken

 

“You do what you can for as long as you can, and when you finally can’t, you do the next best thing. You back up but you don’t give up.” ―Chuck Yeager

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Anita L via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 11:32 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] photos

 

I would like to make a suggestion for the iogroups. It would be great to be able to delete photos in attachments and not let the person who wrote the email be notified.
Also the email photo folder is really not necessary and would be great to be able to eliminate that.
So many images that are ads go in that folder. It would be nice to just have a real image in that folder. It does take up space.

These are my suggestions and if you ever do this please let me know.

Thanks

Anita 

 


moderated Re: photos

 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 10:49 AM, Ken Schweizer wrote:
if the photo a is against what the group owner wants, notifying the member would be the great idea in that it would prevent it from occurring in the future.
Maybe so but that doesn't do anything about a disallowed photo that's already been posted and needs to be removed. (And does this have anything to do with the feature suggestion? Am I missing something?)
 
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moderated Re: photos

Ken Schweizer
 

I just wonder why deleting photos in an attachment in secret is a great idea? I seems to me that if the photo a is against what the group owner wants, notifying the member would be the great idea in that it would prevent it from occurring in the future.

 

Just my thoughts,

Ken

 

“You do what you can for as long as you can, and when you finally can’t, you do the next best thing. You back up but you don’t give up.” ―Chuck Yeager

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Anita L via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 11:32 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] photos

 

I would like to make a suggestion for the iogroups. It would be great to be able to delete photos in attachments and not let the person who wrote the email be notified.
Also the email photo folder is really not necessary and would be great to be able to eliminate that.
So many images that are ads go in that folder. It would be nice to just have a real image in that folder. It does take up space.

These are my suggestions and if you ever do this please let me know.

Thanks

Anita 


moderated Re: photos

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 05:31 PM, Anita L wrote:
It would be great to be able to delete photos in attachments and not let the person who wrote the email be notified.
If attached photos are deleted from the emailed photos album then the originator isn't notified anyway.

Also the email photo folder is really not necessary and would be great to be able to eliminate that.
Sorry, but that is simply incorrect. Having that album provides a simple way of working out what can be deleted without menaingful loss and what can't.

So many images that are ads go in that folder. It would be nice to just have a real image in that folder. It does take up space.
That is under your control! Tell your members to stop including  unnecessary images / advertisements; if your group is moderated then reject messages with "noise" in them, or remove the unnecessary images yourself in the moderation process. If your group is not moderated then advise those who clutter the place up with unnecessary images that they will be put on moderation until they stop doing it. And mean it.

Chris


moderated Re: photos

 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 09:31 AM, Anita L wrote:
 the email photo folder is really not necessary and would be great to be able to eliminate that.
My group absolutely relies on the emailed photo folder (most people email their photos rather than upload them), so if implemented, this should be an option. Please don't eliminate the emailed photos folder! 
 
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moderated photos

Anita L
 

I would like to make a suggestion for the iogroups. It would be great to be able to delete photos in attachments and not let the person who wrote the email be notified.
Also the email photo folder is really not necessary and would be great to be able to eliminate that.
So many images that are ads go in that folder. It would be nice to just have a real image in that folder. It does take up space.

These are my suggestions and if you ever do this please let me know.

Thanks

Anita 

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