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moderated Re: New feed page

 

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 01:19 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
. It shows unnecessary information, e.g. info about each group.
Yes, this is a failing IMO as well.
 
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moderated Re: New feed page

 

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 06:53 AM, Duane wrote:
That would be the Topics overview page
Yes, in a way. But it still suffers from the fact that it shows the earliest message in each topic rather than the most recent. For me, that's what kills the whole idea of "feed" as currently implemented.
 
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moderated Re: New feed page

Duane
 

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 03:19 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
1. A real feed page

i.e. one that shows most recent posts from all groups (or all groups that the user selects to see in his feed), without grouping them by group.
That would be the Topics overview page (when you're logged in) at https://groups.io/topics  It doesn't have the additional information about events though, only posts.  It wouldn't have any of the other things that Mark mentioned as possibilities, nor selectability.

Duane


moderated Add group name to footer #suggestion

Samuel Murrayy
 

Hello

On the "feed" page, it was a surprise for me to discover that I'm apparently a member of a group called "Help Improve the Management of Groups". However, upon closer inspection, this turned out to be just a label that I've never seen before, for a group whose mails I regularly read, namely the Group Managers Forum, and of course I know that I'm a member of that group. I wonder how many GMF members know that the group is actually named the Help Improve the Management of Groups group.

This made me realise that the group's name is not mentioned in the footer (or anywhere in a post), and I think it should be.

So, instead of just this:

==
You receive all messages sent to this group.
==

We should have this:

==
You receive all messages sent to this group, the "Help Improve the Management of Groups" group.
==

Or, since it was not immediately clear (to me at least, until I thought long about it) that the text "You receive all messages sent to this group" is intended to inform the user what type of subscription setting he has, even better:

==
You are subscribed to the "Help Improve the Management of Groups" group and your subscription is "receive all messages sent to the group".
==

Samuel


moderated Re: New feed page

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 2019/03/08 06:39 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

A part of the (chronically late) app I'm been working on is a new screen, which I've called the feed.
I agree with what some others have said here: the page you created looks more like a summary page.

To my mind, "feed" implies something that is updated regularly (whether by pushing or by very frequent checking) and shows the latest near the top of the list. It occurs to me that if you want to have a "feed" or your Groups.io mails, all you have to do is filter a copy of all mails into a single folder and sort by date, and there: you have a feed.

Do I understand correctly that you want to have a page that allows users easy access to the latest activity on all of their lists, and that such a page would be aimed at mobile device users?

My biggest criticisms of your feed page are:

1. It shows unnecessary information, e.g. info about each group.

2. It shows labels for non-existing categories, e.g.

Upcoming Events
No Events

3. I have to scroll down 5 screens to get to the information that I really want to see. This is still *relatively* okay on a desktop or laptop, but on a mobile device this kills the app's utility.

I do like the fact that you did not mix all messages into a single feed, like Facebook does (although perhaps there are some users who would prefer such a feature).

So, what I think you should do, is design two different things:

1. A real feed page

i.e. one that shows most recent posts from all groups (or all groups that the user selects to see in his feed), without grouping them by group.

This would be like Facebook -- posts from different sources all appearing in a single stream of posts. Also, allow users to create multiple feeds (each feed being "subscribed" to the latest posts from groups specified by the user).

2. A notifications page

i.e one that allows the user to see each group's posts separately and which allows the user to control how much information he sees on the screen at any moment.

For the notifications page (which you can rename to something sexy), the page will show only each group's name, along with some icons that show various statuses. When the user clicks (sorry: taps) a group name, it folds open to reveal the most recent 5 posts. When a user clicks another group's name, the previous group remains folded open. This means the user can choose to see for which groups he wants to see the most recent posts and for which groups he only wants to the whether or not there are new posts.

The status icons could include:
1. number of posts since a certain long time ago (e.g. past 24 hours)
2. number of posts since a certain short time ago (e.g. past 1 hour)
3. number of posts since the last time you viewed it, or since the last page refresh, or suchlike
4. similar icons for events, since there seems to have groups with events.
5. options to "mark as read" which reset the counts (for the whole page and/or for each group individually)

Other desirable options: when a group is folded open, a "see more" option that (if tapped) shows the next 5 posts; an icon/link on each post that, when tapped, takes the user to that post in the browser; an easy way to manually refresh the page; the option to "rename" each group (so that you're not forced to see the group's actual name in the list, but a user configurable name instead); configurable icons for each group.

I would use a notifications app, since it would allow me to see the most recent activity in multiple groups while keeping things separate and allowing me to choose who much I want to see for each group (either just "how many" new posts there are, or what the new posts actually are).

Samuel


moderated Re: New feed page

Dave Sergeant
 

When you are subscribed to many groups, I am in 16 including all sub
groups, this new look is far too tedious to scroll through. It may suit
some, sorry but I hate it.

Dave

On 8 Mar 2019 at 9:39, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Please let me know what you think.

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: Allow Members to Be Able to Set Photos Sort Options #suggestion

Dotty Bell
 

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 08:07 AM, Patty Sliney wrote:
I am again hoping that I can suggest that we add the ability for users to be able to set their Photos sort options, both albums and within albums.   If list members could either set their sort preferences, OR, if they set the sort once, it is "remembered" until they re-sort, that would be extremely helpful.  The default album "Sort by Title" is not helpful, as we use a monthly photo album system ...  Hoping to get this request bumped up the added features list?  I know others have also wished for this to be added in.

I am in agreement with Patty in the request for the option to change the default photo sort option for photos at both the album level and individual photo level.  Our group also uses "monthly" albums, and the "Sort by Title" default does not work well for us.  I am currently adding leading zeros when naming the albums to force the 2019 albums to appear first. (ie. 00-2019 January, etc, to appear before all of the 0-2018 albums.)  Each year I will have to add more leading zeros to force the current year to the front, until I have the option to set the default to most recent first. 
Many of my members are not very "computer comfortable", so each time I add photos, I include in my "New Photos Posted" message both a link to the proper album, and instructions for changing the sort order of photos within the album to show the most recent first.  It would be very helpful if they had the option to set their own default sort order, so that they could set it once (with help if necessary), instead of having to modify the sort each time they viewed the photos to show the most recent first.  
Ideally, I would love to have the option of Folders within Folders, so I could create yearly folders, which would contain monthly folders, which would contain photos ordered by most recent date.  My group transferred about 10 years of photos, but I have only renamed the 2018 & 2019 albums in the hopes that Mark will eventually have time to work on the Photo features on his ToDo list.

Dotty Bell


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • SYSADMIN: Switched to using our own DNS resolver/cache because Linode's DNS resolver stopped working for some domains.
  • NEW: New /feed page for testing.
  • CHANGE: Wording change in bounce probe message.
  • API: Misc updates.
  • NEW: For cancelled events, include them in the ICS feeds, but set their status to CANCELLED.
  • CHANGE: When viewing an event with an RSVP, don't display the cancel event button if no one has RSVPed yet.
  • BUGFIX: 'Save and send to group' didn't work for a moderator editing a message in a subgroup.
  • NEW: Added an addition Italian language quote separator.
  • CHANGE: Default calendar view on mobile is now the list view.
  • NEW: Add an additional French language quote separator.
  • NEW: When viewing topics/searching by hashtag, show the hashtag description at the top of the page.
  • NEW: Added subgroupnames parameter to the /directadd API endpoint, to compliment the subgroupids parameter.
  • BUGFIX: When using the /directadd API endpoint, the wrong domain was used when composing the direct add notification emails.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: New feed page

Linda
 

Hi Mark,
Nice idea!
How about https://groups.io/review?
Take the week-end off - you've earned it!
Linda


moderated Re: Help to locate Members in the Directory and to enable easy Photo album 'owner' editing

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 06:08 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
Interesting... so the migration from Yahoo is (in this case) not relevant. I wonder if the behaviour when a "photo - owning member" counts as a bug.
Personally, I think the Owner pick-list on the "Edit Album" screen should:

1) be sorted alphabetically, 
2) with a "[no member]" entry at the top.

This should help to obviate Peter's problem.

Bruce; have you been able to determine what happens if an album - owning / album - creator member leaves?
I've been talking about album editing throughout, as...if I understand correctly...this was the basis for Peter's inquiry. But in the same situation, with the original owner having left, "Edit Photo" seems to behave very similarly, and I would propose the same remedy.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Spreadsheet #suggestion

Nancy Funk <funkmomma71@...>
 

You could either use the database function here on the site or use Google forms and add the link to your event. Our group uses the database when we need more than a simple RSVP. To do so, I create the database and then embed the database link in the event description.


moderated Re: New feed page

Nancy Funk <funkmomma71@...>
 

Nevermind, I scrolled down some more and see that we get to see all the activity from all of our groups and subgroups. Very nice! I think this will be very helpful for many of my less tech-savvy and impatient members who would like to see everything all at once, rather than click through to each subgroup. :)


moderated Re: New feed page

Nancy Funk <funkmomma71@...>
 

Would we be able to reorder the "feed", ie have upcoming events show first, as that would be most helpful to the group I manage? Also, would we have the option to allow our subgroups to be included in the main feed rather than having to go into each subgroup for each individual feed? Maybe allow members to see all the current and upcoming news and events from the main group and all the subgroups they are members of. 

Thanks for this peek into what you are working on. 


moderated Re: #calendar #suggestion #feature Improved functionality for Calendar Cancellations #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

We seem to be getting wrapped around the flagpole on this.
Instead of using functions that already exist in a sequential way we are asking for more and more "idiot buttons", slowing down planned products.
Any time you edit an event you have the option of notifying the entire group about it.
To cancel an event, one could simply change the title of the event to have Cancelled in capital letters included
Disable all other notices etc in the event.
Use the option to send a (special notice) message to all members of the group as you update the event
If you want the event to disappear you could perform a second edit on the event after the notice is sent and use the red Delete button to delete it. 

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moderated Re: New feed page

KWKloeber
 

It does, depending on the type members. But the default choice set by owner should be able to be overridden by member. 


moderated Re: disconnect between member categories (removed, left, banned, etc.)

 

I know he’s creating new ‘member’ records for email addresses that are banned without having been in the group. I wonder whether it’s therefore a blanket process, or whether banning an email address that’s in the group could be handled differently.

On Mar 8, 2019, at 3:30 PM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Yet another issue is that which part of the member’s member page (activity, notes, etc) differs between their banned record and their ‘past member’ record. It seems, based on that and based on the posting status and ‘date joined’ being constant and reflecting new membership in the banned list, that Mark might actually be creating new member records for banned members
On Mar 8, 2019, at 3:26 PM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

I will have to cogitate on that. 😊
On Mar 8, 2019, at 3:10 PM, Jim Higgins <HigginsJ@sc.rr.com> wrote:

Received from J_Catlady at 3/8/2019 10:53 PM UTC:

I agree it's better to keep the date, but he would have to change the name of the field/column. I guess that makes sense to do. There would probably have to be some internal futzing.

Yes, in the list of banned members only the column name needs to be changed.

Resolving which date is shown when banning then removing vs removing then banning seems to be the most important part of your suggestion... and where the most internal futzing would come in.

Jim H




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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: disconnect between member categories (removed, left, banned, etc.)

 

Yet another issue is that which part of the member’s member page (activity, notes, etc) differs between their banned record and their ‘past member’ record. It seems, based on that and based on the posting status and ‘date joined’ being constant and reflecting new membership in the banned list, that Mark might actually be creating new member records for banned members

On Mar 8, 2019, at 3:26 PM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

I will have to cogitate on that. 😊
On Mar 8, 2019, at 3:10 PM, Jim Higgins <HigginsJ@sc.rr.com> wrote:

Received from J_Catlady at 3/8/2019 10:53 PM UTC:

I agree it's better to keep the date, but he would have to change the name of the field/column. I guess that makes sense to do. There would probably have to be some internal futzing.

Yes, in the list of banned members only the column name needs to be changed.

Resolving which date is shown when banning then removing vs removing then banning seems to be the most important part of your suggestion... and where the most internal futzing would come in.

Jim H




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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: disconnect between member categories (removed, left, banned, etc.)

 

I will have to cogitate on that. 😊

On Mar 8, 2019, at 3:10 PM, Jim Higgins <HigginsJ@sc.rr.com> wrote:

Received from J_Catlady at 3/8/2019 10:53 PM UTC:

I agree it's better to keep the date, but he would have to change the name of the field/column. I guess that makes sense to do. There would probably have to be some internal futzing.

Yes, in the list of banned members only the column name needs to be changed.

Resolving which date is shown when banning then removing vs removing then banning seems to be the most important part of your suggestion... and where the most internal futzing would come in.

Jim H



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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: #calendar #suggestion #feature Improved functionality for Calendar Cancellations #suggestion

Kenny Paul
 

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 09:32 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
 
Right now, the only concept of cancelling an event is with events that have RSVPs. You can cancel those events and are given the option to send an email to the people that RSVPed yes to the event. The cancelled event stays on the calendar, but is marked as cancelled. Until now, cancelled events were not included in the ICS feed that we publish. I've changed that so that cancelled events are included, but with status set to cancelled. I'm testing that to see if that removes the event from GCal (GCal takes a long time to refetch ICS feeds...) I need to extend the concept of cancelled events to all events.
Hi Mark,
Seeing the comments from other folks about perceived junk-mail generation for their membership, perhaps a config setting might be the better approach.  "Send email to the entire list for all canceled meetings?" or some such.

 
 
When you cancel an event, do you want it to stay on the calendar in a cancelled state, or do you want it do disappear, like when you delete an event (ie is cancelling different from deleting)? If cancelling is different from deleting, then I'll add a cancel button to events that gives you an option to send a message to the group. That message will include an ICS attachment cancelling the event. And due to the change I already made to the ICS feed, that cancelled event should propagate to anyone that is using that (assuming the GCal test works).
 
In our situation we definitely want it removed from the calendar and the fact it has been removed communicated to all members. I like Duane's "#cal-cancelled" suggestion for the message. 
The addition of a delete and send mail single action option should prove sufficient to address the issue with community members not doing both steps.  It is an education issue that I haven't been able to crack the code on. Part of it is a large percentage of non native speakers I think.
 
Thanks!
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moderated Re: disconnect between member categories (removed, left, banned, etc.)

Jim Higgins
 

Received from J_Catlady at 3/8/2019 10:53 PM UTC:

I agree it's better to keep the date, but he would have to change the name of the field/column. I guess that makes sense to do. There would probably have to be some internal futzing.

Yes, in the list of banned members only the column name needs to be changed.

Resolving which date is shown when banning then removing vs removing then banning seems to be the most important part of your suggestion... and where the most internal futzing would come in.

Jim H

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