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moderated Re: UTC values in Calendar time zone selection #bug #suggestion

Kenny Paul
 

Sorry for the inadvertent all'd paste below my sig in the original message

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 08:30 AM, Dave Sergeant wrote:
Actually for us in the UK groups.io does exactly what we want,
displaying local time for calendar events all the year round.
Understood.  If the meeting is set for 09:00 to London from the picklist and you want the meeting to continue at 09:00 London time after the time change, it will do everything correctly.
Our desire is not to rely on any not any local time zones for meeting creation, but instead to have true UTC be the anchor because it never changes even when other clocks may.  

For example my 14:00 UTC anchored meeting last week was 06:00 my time.  This week that same 14:00 UTC anchored meeting occurs at 07:00 in my time zone because the US flipped to DST yesterday. That is the behavior we want to see. In November locally it will go back to a 06:00 meeting time for me.  Gio cal does the correct thing --IF-- UTC Reykajvik  is selected from the picklst when the meeting is created.

With regards to the feature request, my fear is that members of the community will unwittingly select UTC London rather than Reykajvik as I initially did.  I'm spreading the word, but here again I'm looking for something "idiot" proof with regards to selecting UTC.

Hope that helps to clarify.
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The Linux Foundation
Pacific Time Zone


moderated Re: UTC values in Calendar time zone selection #bug #suggestion

Dave Sergeant
 

Actually for us in the UK groups.io does exactly what we want,
displaying local time for calendar events all the year round. Unlike
Yahoogroups when we had to select the Reykajvik option to prevent it
screwing up times during the summer months.

Bear in mind if Europe approves the proposal currently going through
the European parliament the annual change will be abolished from next
year with individual countries choosing either to stay on summer time
or winter time throughout the year. Looks like chaos is on the way, and
it seems even if we leave the EU we will still implement it in the UK.

Dave

On 11 Mar 2019 at 8:19, Kenny Paul wrote:

Yes, I believe this to be both a suggested and a bug...
Our global community is adopting true UTC for meeting times which does
not change with the seasons . 

http://davesergeant.com


moderated UTC values in Calendar time zone selection #bug #suggestion

Kenny Paul
 

Yes, I believe this to be both a suggested and a bug...
Our global community is adopting true UTC for meeting times which does not change with the seasons . 
I just set up a reoccurring meeting and the results were not what I expected.  As such, an investigation ensued ;-)  

There are three options for UTC in the picklist for setting up a meeting:


The top choice at first glance is what many associate with True UTC, but it isn't. It reflects the UK which moves to daylight savings (UTC +1) starting on Mar 31, 2019 
Morocco adopted Centeral European Time (UTC +1) year round with no daylight savings beginning this year
The Monrovia, Reykajvik option reflects countries that do not change. i.e UTC == UTC year round

As a test I set up 3 09:00 meetings for the above timezones in the cal for today and April 1, 2019 when the UK . (no April Fools joke here)
Note that I'm in the Pacific time zone and we have already switched, to daylight savings (UTC -7) so A that explains the that does not come into play here.
 

So there seems to be an error reflected times for Casablanca (UTC +1 year round). (bug)
The UK meeting on April 1 should be an hour later (UTC +1) rather than earlier  (bug)
To pick UTC someone needs to to that Iceland == UTC

Feature request is to have  just a plain old UTC with no other city qualifiers to avoid confusion.

Thanks!
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Kenny Paul, Technical Program Manager for ONAP
The Linux Foundation
Pacific Time Zone


moderated Re: Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

 

On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 06:08 AM, Donald Hellen wrote:
Let's see how it does this time.
That's much better! One teeny little further improvement might be to add something like "for ham radio" after "discussion group," for us ignoramuses who have no idea what Icom is. (OTOH if that sounds stupidly redundant to your target audience, leave it alone. :)
 
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moderated Re: Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

Donald Hellen
 

Let's see how it does this time. I added some dashes and a blank line
or two above it.

Donald

On Sat, 09 Mar 2019 15:26:05 -0800, "J_Catlady"
<j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 03:23 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:


Sorry about that.
No problem! Just thought I'd let you know. :)
 

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Join the Icom group, a general Icom discussion group on Groups.io:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM (just launched)


moderated Re: Allow Members to Be Able to Set Photos Sort Options #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 05:40 AM, Dotty Bell wrote:
I am currently adding leading zeros when naming the albums to force the 2019 albums to appear first.
If you used a yyyy-mm prefix in your names then they would all be the same format and you could sort them.

Andy


moderated On the /topics page, change the browser tab to "Topics"

 

Mark,

While reviewing the new /feed page I noticed it put "Feed" in my browser tab. I like that. The Help page does too.

I think the Topics page should also. Right now it says "Welcome to Groups.io".

Shal


moderated Re: New feed page

 

Mark,

I might add recent photos/files/chats as well.
I'd like to see recent photos/files/chats included, as well as Wiki pages edited/created.

I'd kind of like to see those also in an "all groups, chronological" list (like /topics) of web activity. But that's a different suggestion.

Please let me know what you think.
I concur with Duane's suggestion of naming it Summary instead of Feed.

I concur also with Jim's desire to retain the list of groups as one's home page. Though this seems like a good page to add to the list on left, maybe even between "Your Groups" and "Topics".


I agree with Dave's concern about having to scroll through too many groups, but I don't hate it. Perhaps have a TOC listing the groups in the order presented on the page, in the left column like the Help page. For those with many subscriptions that will be a lengthy list, which is why I don't think it works as a TOC at the top (wiki-style).

The TOC entries should be group addresses in name format. That is, the format used on the home page. It would need to be separately scrollable, unlike the TOC on the Help page (which seems to simply crop if the window isn't tall enough).

For mobile screens that wouldn't work, unless one could drag it in from the left, as I've sometimes seen done, or somehow make it available without using up the limited screen width. Oh, this page is only partly responsive on mobile (too-wide text gets cropped). Well that too is likely another suggestion.


In another thread, Samuel is not wrong that /feed probably needs to have the group's address (in name form, as on the home page) at the top of each group's section, in addition to the group's Title. Perhaps to the left of the member count, then put that line above the Subscription line.

I think Samuel's description of a Notifications page is a request for a different page altogether than this one. Perhaps relating more to the also chronically late (and fervently anticipated, at least by me) Notifications Overhaul.

That said, I'm still trying to grok the use case for this feed/summary page, as pretty as it is. But I'm an email-centric user and it may not really be aimed at me, just as I rarely use the existing /topics page (but I wouldn't want to be without it when I do find use for it).

Shal


moderated Re: #calendar #suggestion #feature Improved functionality for Calendar Cancellations #suggestion

Kenny Paul
 

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 04:24 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
We seem to be getting wrapped around the flagpole on this.
Instead of using functions that already exist in a sequential way we are asking for more and more "idiot buttons", slowing down planned products.
Hi Bob,

Yes there are existing ways this can be handled, but unfortunately it is not working well for us. 
The opensource project I manage is a global community with 1100 active participants with varying levels of technical skill contributing code, documentation, testing and designs.
A little less than half of these are native English speakers.
Within Gio our community has 26 different mailing lists in use, with another 4 probably getting added next week.
Across those lists there are 70 regular weekly meetings at last count, owned and run by 40 or so individuals.
Of those I own  2. 

Indeed I am asking for "idiot buttons" as you put it, to avoid misunderstandings in the community and in a purely selfish move to help prevent getting any more 3 AM phone calls from a couple dozen confused people because someone on the other side of the world did not change or cancel their meeting in a way that was clearly obvious to the attendees.
 
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Kenny Paul, Technical Program Manager for ONAP
The Linux Foundation
Pacific Time Zone


moderated Re: Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

 

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 02:55 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
I'm content to have the Members list itself remain the same as an unrestricted group, and show "Joined" meaning approved date/time, if that's what it shows.
I think the approval date is (incrementally) more relevant than the application date but I have no strong feelings about it. If it's the approval date, then "Joined" would be sort of ok, except it may later confuse people because it's NOT the date they applied. I think "applied" or "approved" is the most clear.
 
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moderated Re: Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

 

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 03:23 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:
Sorry about that.
No problem! Just thought I'd let you know. :)
 
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J

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moderated Re: New feed page

 

I wouldn't want it as my home page. When I go to the web site I want to start
from the page listing all my groups, because I normally go there for admin
purposes, not to read messages.

Jim

On 8 Mar 2019 at 9:39, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi All,

A part of the (chronically late) app I'm been working on is a new screen,
which I've called the feed. I've transferred that page to the website. It's not
linked anywhere yet, but you can see it by going to https://groups.io/feed. The
idea is to give you a look at the latest developments in your groups. I don't
think it'll replace any existing page, but maybe it could become the new
homepage for logged in people. I might add recent photos/files/chats as well.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mark



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moderated Re: Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

Donald Hellen
 

It's part of my email program and I forgot to turn this off for my
post. I rarely post here in beta so it didn't occur to me.

It's a ham radio group totally unrelated to this.

Maybe I should at least put some ----- after some spaces before the
sig line to separate it.

Sorry about that. It may happen again but I remembered this time.

Donald


On Sat, 09 Mar 2019 15:06:43 -0800, "J_Catlady"
<j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 02:50 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:


Join the Icom group, a general Icom discussion group on Groups.io:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM (just launched)
Donald, I was thrown for a loop by this. Since it doesn't appear below the "--" indicating a signature, I thought it was part of your message to us in beta, and I actually went to the group to see if I should join "Join the Icom group!" (not knowing what "Icom" is, I thought, "ok, a general groups.io discussion group"), only to discover that it's about ham radio. ;) So maybe you could change this wording somehow? 


moderated Re: Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

 

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 02:50 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:
Join the Icom group, a general Icom discussion group on Groups.io:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM (just launched)
Donald, I was thrown for a loop by this. Since it doesn't appear below the "--" indicating a signature, I thought it was part of your message to us in beta, and I actually went to the group to see if I should join "Join the Icom group!" (not knowing what "Icom" is, I thought, "ok, a general groups.io discussion group"), only to discover that it's about ham radio. ;) So maybe you could change this wording somehow? 
 
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J

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moderated Re: Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

 

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 02:55 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
Both (two columns) seems to me like overkill.
Absolutely would be overkill. Pick one and label it correctly one way or the other.
 
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moderated Re: Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

 

J,

I believe I've made this suggestion in the past.
I thought maybe you had, but I failed to turn it up in a search. Might have been mixed in with your comments about banned members.

p.s. In recalling discussions about this in the past, I think there
was some controversy, in a restricted group, over whether the date
kept and displayed should be the date the member applied or the date
they were approved.
I don't recall, and don't immediately see, a use case that would make either of them the obviously "right" answer. Both (two columns) seems to me like overkill.

Since one can learn both for any particular member from the group's activity log I'm content to have the Members list itself remain the same as an unrestricted group, and show "Joined" meaning approved date/time, if that's what it shows.

Either way, I think the text used in the display should reflect the
actual event.
I agree with that. If the Members list of a Restricted group is actually showing the application date then it should say that instead, just for clarity.

Shal


moderated Re: Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

Donald Hellen
 

While I don't have a need to see this information in the groups I run,
I can see where, if I did want to know about a member, I wouldn't want
to see "joined" there when their membership hadn't even been approved
yet or even if they were banned. Making it clear what the date was
referring to seems to make the best sense to me.

Donald

On Sat, 09 Mar 2019 14:29:37 -0800, "J_Catlady"
<j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

Once you break the ice and let the field be renamed in one display, perhaps other contexts will follow - e.g., "date banned," "date left," "date removed."

Join the Icom group, a general Icom discussion group on Groups.io:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM (just launched)


moderated Re: Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

 

p.s. In recalling discussions about this in the past, I think there was some controversy, in a restricted group, over whether the date kept and displayed should be the date the member applied or the date they were approved. I don't remember the details of that discussion but this could be hashed out again. Either way, I think the text used in the display should reflect the actual event.
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moderated Re: Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

 

This is just the manifestation of what I think is a bigger problem, and which came up yesterday about banned and past members, namely: there is a "date joined" field in the member record that does not always really mean the date the member joined the group. In the case of banned members, it means the date they were banned. In the case of past members, it means ONE of the (possibly many) times the member left or was removed.

It seems that the field is actually used for various purposes but the name of it is never changed in displays. So I strongly support the suggestion to call a spade a spade here and call it "date applied." I believe I've made this suggestion in the past.

Once you break the ice and let the field be renamed in one display, perhaps other contexts will follow - e.g., "date banned," "date left," "date removed." 
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J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

 

Mark,

We have an inquiry on GMF which highlighted a minor semantic issue with the Pending Approval list in the Members page.

The column of dates has a heading that says "Joined". That lead the person to worry how much access the "joined" applicants have to the group's web pages. My understanding is that they have the same access as a non-member (i.e. public info only).

To make that clearer, I think that column heading should perhaps be "Applied", matching the wording of the home page "Apply For Membership in This Group" button.

Shal

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