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moderated Re: Feed view now the default

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 09:32 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
Hmm, are we reversing roles here? No reason to be negative.I'm thinking long term, not just the next few days.

No, we're not reversing roles. LOL next few days vs. long-term. That's not going to happen until hell freezes over. And the rest of it probably won't happen in the next few days, either. :) I'm not being negative. Just extremely realistic. I would love to be wrong about this. In fact, maybe my predicting this will goad him into proving me wrong. That would be great!

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moderated Re: Feed view now the default

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 12:22 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
That would be nice but is never going to happen. I'm only asking for realistic, easily implementable stuff.
Glad you like the other suggestions. If they get done, I might even tolerate/like the feed page. :)
Hmm, are we reversing roles here? No reason to be negative. I'm thinking long term, not just the next few days.
 
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moderated Re: Feed view now the default

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 08:48 PM, HR Tech wrote:
It’s a feed. By definition it’s not static.
Obviously, that's understood. The problem is that it's forced on us as the landing page. I'm not sure how many of us want a dynamic "feed" (which doesn't even refresh itself - it's really neither here nor there, neither a feed nor a consistent list of groups, and I think fails as both) as a landing page, the page we see when logging in and expect to be easily able to find our groups from, the groups we use most often and are most interested in, and not necessarily see the groups that happen to be the most active (regardless of our interest in them) at the top, forcing a scroll downwards, and a different amount of scroll each time. Yes there's that "one click away," which I believe most people will be using most of the time. That or a bookmark. I think this is one of the biggest mistakes groups.io ever made.
 
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moderated Re: Feed view now the default

Maria
 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 09:42 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
THE ORDER OF THE GROUPS BOUNCES AROUND WITH EACH VISIT!!
It’s a feed. By definition it’s not static. Much like whatever online newspaper one reads tomorrow will not look as it did today. Or as breaking news gets published. Or even ones email inbox. Or one’s text messages. Or one’s WhatsApp chats. Like in WhatsApp and most other feeds, whatever is most recent bumps up to the top billing. 

That said, this feed, unlike others doesn’t automatically reload or refresh itself. So until a user actually reloads the page, nothing changes. Obviously when you reload, anything with new activity jumps to the top. Btw: exactly same behavior as topics view and obviously messages view. 

If you need a static list of your groups in alphabetical order, it’s still there, in the “your groups” section. One click away. 

Maria 


moderated Re: Feed view now the default

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 08:06 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
I would definitely also want to see a way of being able to set an arbitrary order.
That would be nice but is never going to happen. I'm only asking for realistic, easily implementable stuff.
Glad you like the other suggestions. If they get done, I might even tolerate/like the feed page. :)
 
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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 08:09 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Precisely,
Well, there's a reason they do it. And there's a reason here to do it. These are tradeoffs.
 
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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

 

I would hate to see Mark “neo” us when we have such a good thing going.


On Mar 25, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber@...> wrote:

<<<Lots of apps look different from their desktop versions.
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J >>>
Precisely, and is the greatest downfall of different platforms!!  It's a huge PITA.
And developers / site owners want (FORCE) you to use an app that has near zero the functionality of their website functions.  Asinine. 
I hope Mark doesn't go down that road.  Or rather goes down the road of MAXIMUM look/act-alike.

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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

<<<Lots of apps look different from their desktop versions.
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J >>>
Precisely, and is the greatest downfall of different platforms!!  It's a huge PITA.
And developers / site owners want (FORCE) you to use an app that has near zero the functionality of their website functions.  Asinine. 
I hope Mark doesn't go down that road.  Or rather goes down the road of MAXIMUM look/act-alike.

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moderated Re: Feed view now the default

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 11:54 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
1. Make the feed page optional as a landing page (I doubt this will get implemented but I wish it would)
2. Importantly: Provide an account option to order the groups on the page either alphabetically or by recent activity. In looking back on Mark's original thread about the feed, I see the issue of the group order coming up there as well as now. I consider the current "bouncing around" (as Jim put it) of groups in the display unacceptable.
3. Provide checkboxes for which activities users want to see in their feed (chats, files, messages, etc.)
4. Provide checkboxes for which groups users want to see in their feed.
OK, now we're getting somewhere.

Along with what you said for item 2 & 4, I would definitely also want to see a way of being able to set an arbitrary order.

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moderated Re: Feed view now the default

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 06:02 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I'm suggesting an account option "
And on top of that: I think it would be a good idea to provide checkboxes to accounts to let them specify which groups to include in the feed and which groups not to include. In terms of a feed page in general, I think this is more the norm rather than forcing everything possible into the feed without user input about what they want to see.

So the summary of my suggestions (and I'll stop here) are:

1. Make the feed page optional as a landing page (I doubt this will get implemented but I wish it would)
2. Importantly: Provide an account option to order the groups on the page either alphabetically or by recent activity. In looking back on Mark's original thread about the feed, I see the issue of the group order coming up there as well as now. I consider the current "bouncing around" (as Jim put it) of groups in the display unacceptable.
3. Provide checkboxes for which activities users want to see in their feed (chats, files, messages, etc.)
4. Provide checkboxes for which groups users want to see in their feed.

That's it. As cranky and upset as I am about this change, I'll live with it. 
 
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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

Mark,

This is more of a general comment related to maintaining backward compatibility when making changes. I didn't have any specific defaults in mind if that is what you are thinking about.

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moderated Re: Feed view now the default

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 06:42 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
THE ORDER OF THE GROUPS BOUNCES AROUND WITH EACH VISIT!!
That's precisely the VERY SERIOUS problem with it. 
 
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moderated Re: Feed view now the default

Jim Higgins
 


I don't like it, especially that THE ORDER OF THE GROUPS BOUNCES AROUND WITH EACH VISIT!!

That said, I really don't care... because I receive all messages from the groups I own and subscribe to as single emails sent to my home email address, so past looking at it a half dozen times to see what the fuss was about, I don't care what the feed page looks like because I don't have to see it ever again.

Since nearly day one of my move to Groups.io I've been using several links like the one below on a default home page for my browser located on my computer that take me directly into the message section of groups I own/moderate. I only visit Groups.io to do things as a group owner, so my local links point to the "Messages" view of each of the groups I own simply because that view has the "Admin" menu selection... and I go from there. Browser bookmarks would work also, and would be easier to create initially were I less tech savvy, but would be more clicks each time they're used.

https://groups.io/g/GROUPNAME/messages

I recognize that this feed page fits into larger future plans, and as such is here to stay and might as well be accepted, but I'm glad I don't have to bother with it.

I bet the ability to set the order the groups display in, as well as other sorting rationales, will soon be a BIG topic of discussion.

Jim H



Received from J_Catlady at 3/25/2019 10:02 PM UTC:

I'm tempted to create a poll here to see how many people actually prefer this new feed view thingy.
J


moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 06:24 PM, HR Tech wrote:
Why would you have a different home/landing page on an app vs desktop/mobile web. Who even does that?
Lots of apps look different from their desktop versions.
 
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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

Maria
 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 09:09 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 05:56 PM, HR Tech wrote:
With an APP on the way, the service needed this new landing page/activity feed.
Then why not make it specific to the app only?
 
Because:
1- Why would you make 2 versions of the same platform
2- Why would you have a different home/landing page on an app vs desktop/mobile web. Who even does that?
3- The reasons why the feed page is a good landing spot for members don't change based on whether you are desktop/mobile web/ or app. They are valid regardless. You may not agree with them, but the logic that led to it applies regardless of how you login.
4- Why would you want users to have two different sets of learned behaviors, one for app and one for desktop/ mobile web? That's in nobody's best interest.
5- Why should those who download and use the app have all the fun :)


moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 05:56 PM, HR Tech wrote:
With an APP on the way, the service needed this new landing page/activity feed.
Then why not make it specific to the app only?
 
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moderated Re: Feed view now the default

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 04:09 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I'm suggesting an account option "order feed by activity" or "order feed by alphabetical order."
I'd also propose a way to customize the feed page. I don't care about, nor do I want to be bothered with and have to scroll through, new files, new chats, new bla blas in every single group I'm a member of. Having to do this makes me want to quit a bunch of groups just to avoid the hassle. What about allowing an account to pick and choose which elements they want to see on their page?
 
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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

Maria
 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 08:22 PM, Duane wrote:
2. Feed page, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/30775486
I do appreciate the general sense of this #suggestion, but feel compelled to chime in with regards to the feed page.
What we used to land on as a landing page (ie: the Your groups / My Subscriptions page), while great for for admins, was absolutely not a practical way to on board new members, new generations of members, and to keep these folks coming back.

Just because I spend hours on groups.io each day doesn't mean others do. I would imagine the average member would have 10-15 minutes a day to dedicate to groups. And if they do, that's great and they deserve to be provided with a way to hit the ground running on their landing page.

I think the page that was formerly known as the landing page (ie: your groups), always felt to me like a temporary page - while the site was in construction.
It was a band-aid and it hasn't even been ripped off, just moved.

We ( as seasoned admins) have got to put our admin hats away or at least take them off when giving feedback about new features that are geared to a better experience for non admins.

With an APP on the way, the service needed this new landing page/activity feed.
I honestly cannot think of any comparable apps that don't have one.

Sometimes, the default is there by default - not because a better alternative isn't available, in the works, or possible.
And I'm fine with that, if it makes the service better.


Maria


moderated Re: Feed view now the default

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 08:09 PM, J_Catlady wrote:J,

I'm suggesting an account option "order feed by activity" or "order feed by alphabetical order."
Why not make a new #suggestion then for the improvement of the Feed view? Maybe Feed Version 2? As opposed to discussing it in this thread.

I am impressed with what we have now, but like many others, "I want it my way". I think it can be better with some user options as to the ordering and what is shown. Every time Mark makes a change, I immediately go hunting for the Settings button or hamburger or whatever it's called in the top right corner of the "Your Feed" line, but so far, it's not there.

Perhaps with some brainstorming, we can come up with some solid plans.
 
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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

Duane
 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 06:28 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Can you be more specific? Which defaults?
The two that come to my mind:
1. Photo display, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/30309465
2. Feed page, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/30775486

I don't have a problem with the options, but don't like that the default was changed.  In my mind, it would have been better to leave the original setups, adding the new options as new choices.

Thanks,
Duane

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