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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

 

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 07:00 PM, Leeni wrote:
Why are you being so mean..
I'm sorry. I had no intention of being mean. But the fact the Fokti has a feed page like this one is no more relevant than that.
 
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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

Leeni
 

Why are you being so mean....................
 
 
 
 
 
 

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From: J_Catlady
Date: 3/27/2019 8:49:21 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion
 
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 06:46 PM, Leeni wrote:
Fotki has the same type of feed on its site.
And I stayed in a Holiday Inn once.
 
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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

 

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 06:46 PM, Leeni wrote:
Fotki has the same type of feed on its site.
And I stayed in a Holiday Inn once.
 
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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

Leeni
 

Fotki has the same type of feed on its site.
 
 
 
 
 

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From: J_Catlady
Date: 3/27/2019 8:40:27 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion
 
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 06:23 PM, Jeremy H wrote:
Not something I feel really useful, or usable.
Nobody I know from my groups, including other moderators, likes the feed. I've heard comments ranging from "I don't find it useful" to "I detest it." (These are off-beta comments.) I've put out a message to my main group about the change (I've called it the "new look," without judgment) about how to revert to the previous home page for people who are in a lot of groups or who prefer the "old look." I have not yet taken any sort of poll, formal or informal, of my group members because we/they now have a way around it. But everything I've confirms my initial strong negative impression of this page. As Jeremy says, I think providing even minimal customization could really turn that around.
 
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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

 

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 06:23 PM, Jeremy H wrote:
Not something I feel really useful, or usable.
Nobody I know from my groups, including other moderators, likes the feed. I've heard comments ranging from "I don't find it useful" to "I detest it." (These are off-beta comments.) I've put out a message to my main group about the change (I've called it the "new look," without judgment) about how to revert to the previous home page for people who are in a lot of groups or who prefer the "old look." I have not yet taken any sort of poll, formal or informal, of my group members because we/they now have a way around it. But everything I've confirms my initial strong negative impression of this page. As Jeremy says, I think providing even minimal customization could really turn that around.
 
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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

Jeremy H
 

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 04:21 PM, HR Tech wrote:
The function of the feed is to provide a feed of recent activity, the form it's presented in does that. I don't see distractions or frills in the feed.
It's quite minimalist actually. Shows us: active topics/new - upcoming events/ new files/ new photos/new subgroups/new chats/ and only shows them if they actually have new content.
But - in it's current form, which is rigidly divided by group - it doesn't do that in way - unless you're only in one group (and AIUI we are all (also) in the Updates group, are there any such people?).

As it is, it is a partial list of your groups (only those with recent activity!), showing their description and recent activity (which may be the last few actions, or may go back a month), so rather long - to go to other groups you may have to scroll a long way - and organised by last activity time (so, when that was yesterday or earlier, on an apparently random basis). Not something I feel really useful, or usable.

If redone to give an overall view, across groups of "active topics/new - upcoming events/ new files/ new photos/new subgroups/new chats/ ", and with the ability to tailor to show what we want - and not we don't - then, yes I can see it being be very useful.

Jeremy


moderated Re: Feed view now the default

 

Jeremy,

It's on the pale grey bar, near the top (but below the blue logo bar, with the Your Groups drop-list), that is above the main page contents. For Topics and Hashtag views, what I see is 'Your Groups' (with icon) - in blue and under-lined, so a link, hovering on which shows it as to https://groups.io - and is followed by (in black) name/description of view (All topics, #Muted Hashtags, etc.).

Oh, I thought you were talking about Topics and Hashtags within a group's pages:

Screenshot of
          top left Topics page in beta group

I couldn't imagine why you would see something different in the breadcrumb (pale grey) bar. But you were talking about home pages:

Screenshot of
          upper left corner of home page topics

So now I get it. Yes, that link text is misleading because the URL is to the home page, whichever one you currently see. I think that qualifies as a bug worthy of report to support@groups.io.
 
Shal


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On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 05:37 PM, Jeremy H wrote:
Clicking it now seems to be consistently taking me to the 'All topics' view;

Being taken to "all topics" after clicking on either groups.io or "your groups" happened to me once and then stopped. I don't remember what I was doing before that but I know I was not in Topics or Hashtags view. I can't be more specific, but we have in common the phenomenon of being taken to "all topics" when the expectation was to be taken to the groups list. So if this happens again I'll try to be more observant about what happened before that. 
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moderated Re: Feed view now the default

Jeremy H
 

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 03:14 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
Jeremy,

But unfortunately not the - presumably related - issue of the 'Your Groups' link at the top of Topics and Hashtags views, which now seems to have rather random effects as to where you go:
 
What Your Groups link? I'm not seeing any such on the Topics or Hashtag views.
 
Unless you mean the Your Groups drop-list in the logo bar. I've not seen any misbehavior with it. But then I almost always use it to pick a specific group. Until yesterday I'd quite forgotten it has a Manage My Subscriptions item at the bottom. Is that what you mean? If it was broken it seems now to be fixed.
 
Shal
 
It's on the pale grey bar, near the top (but below the blue logo bar, with the Your Groups drop-list), that is above the main page contents. For Topics and Hashtag views, what I see is 'Your Groups' (with icon) - in blue and under-lined, so a link, hovering on which shows it as to https://groups.io - and is followed by (in black) name/description of view (All topics, #Muted Hashtags, etc.). Clicking it now seems to be consistently taking me to the 'All topics' view; but this is not where I expect to go: the 'Your Groups' page. For that I have to click on 'Your groups' in the left hand menu column (same words, same logo, but different destination). For the Groups, Feed and Calendar views, it's not present - at that place is 'Your ~', in black as non-link view name.

Jeremy


moderated Re: Reply to Sender

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io at 3/27/2019 10:49 PM UTC:

Along Jim's thoughts... On the emailed versions, would it make sense to remove the "Reply to Sender" ink, and have "Private" & "Reply to Group"? And then that "Private" link would then start some other action that allows you to reply to sender?

OF COURSE NOT.

Actually, a small "flag" in the reply link could tell the web site what sort of reply to generate.

That sort of thing aside, the current button colors and sequence of drafting a reply before deciding if it's a reply to group or sender isn't logical to me.

Jim H


moderated Re: Reply to Sender

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually, for some of us the "reply to sender" option never shows up in some of the groups we are subscribed in. So we have to go to the website, , view the message online then click "reply to sender"

On 27 Mar 2019, at 15:42, Noel Leaver via Groups.Io wrote:

> Perhaps so. I look at it this way: Although we group owners are accustomed to using the web interface, I'd say that 80-90% of my subscribers use email only. The "reply-to" fields of all outgoing emails are populated per the group default setting.

On my groups it is similar, perhaps nearer 80% though the group owners rarely use the web interface.

> If the subscriber's email client respects that (a whole other conversation), then clicking on "reply" sends it back that way. To override, they have to manually populate the To: address.

No they don't, they click on the Reply to sender link at the bottom of the email which (on all 3 of my email clients/platforms) sends an email directly to the sender.

Noel


moderated Re: Reply to Sender

 

All,

This thread has run its course. Let's please move on.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Reply to Sender

KWKloeber
 

Along Jim's thoughts....

On the emailed versions, would it make sense to remove the "Reply to Sender" ink, and have  "Private" & "Reply to Group"?   And then that "Private" link would then start some other action that allows you to reply to sender?

OF COURSE NOT. 

So why make the web UI more confusing than it needs to be?

That said -- I really don't care, I'll use it either way.  How it would make sense or how it does not make sense.  I'm ambidextrous. 
I'd rather fight the good fight for many functional shortcomings that are still lacking and need Mark's attention.  :-))


moderated Re: Reply to Sender

Noel Leaver
 

> Perhaps so. I look at it this way: Although we group owners are accustomed to using the web interface, I'd say that 80-90% of my subscribers use email only. The "reply-to" fields of all outgoing emails are populated per the group default setting.

On my groups it is similar, perhaps nearer 80% though the group owners rarely use the web interface.

> If the subscriber's email client respects that (a whole other conversation), then clicking on "reply" sends it back that way. To override, they have to manually populate the To: address.

No they don't, they click on the Reply to sender link at the bottom of the email which (on all 3 of my email clients/platforms) sends an email directly to the sender.

Noel


moderated Re: Reply to Sender

KWKloeber
 

Reruns are NEVER junk.  Current is the junk.!!


moderated Re: Reply to Sender

Jim Higgins
 

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 09:45 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:

Mark

<<<1) There is logic to the Private button being grey. It's not active. When
you press the button to active a private reply, it changes color. This is in
keeping with how other buttons are colored on the site.>>>

NO!!!! There's no defending that logic
I agree! Might be in keeping with buttons on the site that I'm not familiar with because I'm a via email type of guy, but that approach to button coloring is completely out of sync with the rest of the button producing world where buttons are made grey to show they're non-functional.

Why not just have two buttons -- green "send to group" and blue "send a
private message to the sender (or poster)"? Saves clicks!
Grayed-out means "don't bother trying to use me", "I don't do anything" and
"always" has meant this -- until SOMEONE tries to redefine the traditional
role of the use of the gray color (just to be different, not better.)
A grayed out feature button MEANS -- don't tread on me, it's useless, I am
asleep and I will not wake up no matter how hard/often you click or curse at
the screen.
Yes! Yes to the idea of two (or very few) buttons and especially to the illogic of a button intended to be used being rendered as grey.

Carrying on with Ken's suggestion... I think the whole sequence involving creating a reply and THEN deciding whether to click "Reply to Group" or to VERY unintuitively click a greyed out "Private" button to make the "Reply to Group" button change to "Reply to Sender" so I can then click "Reply to Sender" is completely bass ackwards.

IMHO, when reading a message online - as I'm doing now for the first time ever on Gio - and deciding you want to reply, you should see - as Ken basically just suggested - buttons saying "Reply to Group" and "Reply to Sender" (no "Private" button) and then ONLY AFTER clicking one of those should you see the reply creation screen. Now you type your reply and when done either click "Discard" or click the one other button that says I don't care what as long as it translates unambiguously to "Send My Reply."

Before seeing the reply creation screen, I'm fine with additional reply option buttons such as "Reply to Group and Sender," etc, etc, as well as restricting the choice of reply types in accord with settings the group owner may have made when setting up the group. But once a reply has been typed, the only choices should be discard or send.

Jim H


moderated Re: Reply to Sender

 

Huh is right , Ken! Of course it’s clickable! I’m binge-watching too much junk old reruns, am clearly losing it. It wasn t clickable because I hadn’t composed a message yet. 😊


On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:55 PM, Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber@...> wrote:

<<<I wonder whether it's confusing to have an actual clickable button ("discard") next to a non-clickable informational area (the green "reply to group" or "reply to sender" area) but this is probably getting too far afield. I think it is, however, causing or contributing to the mixing up of "private" vs "reply to sender" in this conversation.>>>
 
J, HUH?!?!
 
The blue "Reply to Sender" is certainly a clickable button, just as is "Reply to Group" (before it changes to Blue) as is the "Discard" also a button.
Even the gray "Private" is still clickable once it turns to blue (turns back to gray and removes the "Reply to sender" option.)
 
Explain the logic in all that click crap?

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moderated Re: Feed view now the default

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

Oops...

"- If you visit Muted or Followed Topics, we don't change your remembered home page."

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moderated Re: Feed view now the default

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

It seemed sort of random, but now it seems that it may just be that Hashtag is not remembered as a last Homepage

Click on main Groups icon
Select Topics/All     .....  The view is "Your Groups / All topics"
Select Hashtag/Muted ... The view is "Your Groups / #Muted Hashtags"
Click on main Groups icon  ... Goes back to  "Your Groups / All topics"

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moderated Re: Reply to Sender

KWKloeber
 

<<<I wonder whether it's confusing to have an actual clickable button ("discard") next to a non-clickable informational area (the green "reply to group" or "reply to sender" area) but this is probably getting too far afield. I think it is, however, causing or contributing to the mixing up of "private" vs "reply to sender" in this conversation.>>>
 
J, HUH?!?!
 
The blue "Reply to Sender" is certainly a clickable button, just as is "Reply to Group" (before it changes to Blue) as is the "Discard" also a button.
Even the gray "Private" is still clickable once it turns to blue (turns back to gray and removes the "Reply to sender" option.)
 
Explain the logic in all that click crap?

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