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moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

Maria
 

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 01:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The phrase, "Better than nothing," springs immediately to mind.   It's known that members can have non-public profiles.  Being able to search the public ones is a big deal as far as I'm concerned. 
Agree with this.
It would be good to have a search feature within the directory.
Since you can only see the directory if you have opted in to it yourself - it's obvious to all that the search results will be limited to those who have opted in to making their info viewable to other group members, to all, public etc.

Maria


moderated "Find Content" for Member Function

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Now that I'm moderating several groups here on Groups.io, and in "full functioning moderator" position, I'm finding that I really miss functions I have elsewhere that I use frequently.

Elsewhere, in both the moderators Members list, and the public Member directory, I or the members have the ability to click on a control that will instantly do a search for all content in the archive that was generated by a given member.   This comes in handy on a number of occasions.

I'm not wed to that even necessarily being a standalone function, but if it isn't it would be very nice to add advanced functions to the Search function where one could specify messages only from a given member in addition to any other search criteria or as the only search criterion.
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moderated Re: "Likes" revisited

 

Mark,
Great! Thanks.
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moderated Re: "Likes" revisited

 

Hi All,

I've changed it so that if a topic is locked you cannot like any of the messages in it. The previous change dates to May 28, 2015. I couldn't find a message/topic asking for the original change.

Cheers,
Mark

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 9:06 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 09:03 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
it's a side thought I have at the moment:   Does Groups.io have a "hide topic" function?
It's a good thought, but definitely a side topic. The topic I nearly resorted to removing was one that I actually wanted front and center in the group because of the information it contains. I didn't want to remove it but it began to seem like the only way. At one point I thought, "Ok, I'll just lock it," but then remembered that it was already locked. 

Locked topics used to have Likes disabled here and then it was changed. I think the change was a mistake and it should be changed back to how it was.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Hide Topic Function #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Also, I forgot to mention that if such were to be implemented, it's vital that the Lock function can be used in conjunction with the Hide function.

If I am recalling correctly, if one locks a topic, then deletes that topic, members can reply to it and have that reply re-create the topic one was trying to eradicate.  There needs to be a way to either lock and delete - and have the lock apply to all subsequent direct reply attempts, or hide and lock, which would have the same effect were someone to try to reply directly.   If the decision has been made to lock a topic, hidden, visible or deleted, the member should get the "topic locked" message back if they attempt to reply to it.
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moderated Hide Topic Function #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

It's not something that's needed all that often, but it's very handy to have.

There are occasions when a topic is introduced where additional discussion among group management may be needed to decide whether or not it should be permitted.  You don't want to delete the topic, and locking the topic still allows it to appear, which you don't want, either.  It could also be a great tool if a "cooling off period" on a given topic became desirable.

The ability to remove a topic from view, and the ability to interact with it, would be very helpful.  Just like members get a, "this topic is locked," message back if they attempt to respond by e-mail to a locked topic, a similar message such as, "this topic is currently under review and cannot be added to until review is complete," could be sent if someone attempted to reply to a topic that has since been hidden.

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     Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.

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moderated Re: "Likes" revisited

 

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 09:03 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
it's a side thought I have at the moment:   Does Groups.io have a "hide topic" function?
It's a good thought, but definitely a side topic. The topic I nearly resorted to removing was one that I actually wanted front and center in the group because of the information it contains. I didn't want to remove it but it began to seem like the only way. At one point I thought, "Ok, I'll just lock it," but then remembered that it was already locked. 

Locked topics used to have Likes disabled here and then it was changed. I think the change was a mistake and it should be changed back to how it was.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Likes" revisited

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

This may need to be a topic of its own, or a featurerequest, but it's a side thought I have at the moment:   Does Groups.io have a "hide topic" function?

Several other sites (one of which I moderate on, others where I'm just a participant) definitely allow "managment" to hide, whether temporarily or permanently [their choice], an ongoing topic.   Most often it's done if there is some question whether a new or new-ish topic is permissible under the rules or to determine whether it's spam or not.  But these can be hidden, and unhidden, at will by those in charge.

There are many features of Groups.io that I don't know about because I've never needed to use them.  Finding details can also be challenging.
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moderated Re: "Likes" revisited

 

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 08:23 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If "locked means locked" then no activity of any type should be permitted, period.
Yes. It's very frustrating to not be able to stop arguments, even by locking a topic. People can continue to register which side they're taking by a "Like". I almost resorted to removing an entire thread yesterday because it was the only way to stop it cold.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: "Likes" revisited

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 10:21 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
I would like all comments on locked topics to be disabled.
If "locked means locked" then no activity of any type should be permitted, period.  [Except unlocking, and we all know that's not "an activity" that's in the class asking to be forbidden.  I would also include the previously requested "ability for moderator/owner to post to locked topic" as not being forbidden, either.   Essentially nothing should be able to be altered except by those who have lock/unlock power.  Those people are the "Grand Poobahs" who control this to begin with.]
 
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moderated Re: "Likes" revisited

 

None of the above, and I'm "officially" changing this request to "reinstitute disabling Likes on locked topics." A "Like" is a comment and I would like all comments on locked topics to be disabled.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: "Likes" revisited

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 2019/04/15 02:08 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

If we can't turn off Likes on a per-group basis, I'm requesting the ability to turn off Likes on specific messages within a group.
Do you mean:
1. the user would turn it off when they post the message, or
2. the user should be allowed to turn it off later, or
3. the moderator would turn it off at some point in time, or
4. it would automatically be turned off if a certain hashtag is present

I'm not sure if #4 is possible, since AFAIU hashtags on non-first messages in a topic are not processed by the system (or: does adding a hashtag qualify something as a "new topic"?).

A question w.r.t. #1/#2 is whether there would be a mechanism for e-mail users to turn off likes on their messages, without having to visit the site.

Or, do you mean:
5. there would be a group setting (set by the moderator) like "after a message has reached X number of likes, disallow further likes" (or other conditions that work on a per group basis but which turn off likes on a per-message basis).

Samuel


moderated Re: "Likes" revisited

 

Either that, or restoring disablement of "Likes" on locked topics would also work.
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moderated "Likes" revisited

 

If we can't turn off Likes on a per-group basis, I'm requesting the ability to turn off Likes on specific messages within a group. 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: email address from sender

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 12:43 PM, Samuel Murray wrote:
Actually I was referring to a feature found on some other forums whereby
you can send a private message to someone without knowing their e-mail
address.
And now I understand the distinction that you're trying to make.   That capability exists on Bleeping Computer and several other forums I haunt.  The big difference is that the entire communication (other than, perhaps, an e-mail notification that you have a private message) occurs strictly within the boundaries of that forum's PM component.

Groups.io does not, to my knowledge, have anything like that sort of PM mechanism.   I have to believe that this is at least in part because it is a hybrid between an e-mail list service and an online forum.

What follows is a general editorial comment that harks back to the beginning of this topic.   People need to be disabused of the notion that their e-mail addresses are in any way truly private.  Once you've been using an e-mail address for even a matter of days, I can guarantee you that if you check your spam folder you are already getting spam.  Once an e-mail address has been used to send e-mail, it is effectively not private.  And people who want to get it will end up getting it.  I have, though, been blessed by never having been on any e-mailing list where "off-list stalking/harrassment" occurred.   Even if I were, my advice would be to block the sender and, if the situation were to be serious enough, involve the authorities.   List owners and moderators cannot be held responsible for the actions of their individual members in real life.
 
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     Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.

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moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

The phrase, "Better than nothing," springs immediately to mind.   It's known that members can have non-public profiles.  Being able to search the public ones is a big deal as far as I'm concerned.  Your mileage obviously varies.

I use searches in all sorts of places where the result is in no way guaranteed.   It's a heck of a lot easier than slogging through hundreds or thousands of entries by hand to find nothing.

This will be my last input on this request, as its merits are obvious to some and its impact is zero to anyone who doesn't care to use it.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

     Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.

              ~ Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

David Grimm
 

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 12:33 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
It would be really nice to have exactly the same capability present in the Member Directory for members.

On the other hand, since the Member Directory does not necessarily (and usually doesn't) have all the members listed, having a search function would be of limited value. If you are looking for a specific person and the search doesn't find them, does that mean they aren't a member or that they wish to maintain their privacy? I'm not sure that the benefit of this function would be worth the effort.

Dave


moderated Re: auto-check "moderated" box on topic if marked with moderated hashtag #suggestion

 

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 09:15 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:

If you un-check that box in edit Topic, what would you expect to have happen? Both the Hashtag and Topic Moderated settings are cleared?
Forgot to answer this: no, the hashtag would not be cleared. But the topic should and would be cleared. The "locked" setting works that way currently, and "moderated" works that way as well, with the exception of the erroneous checkbox. You can unlock any topic that's been locked by hashtag. The manual takes precedence.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: email address from sender

Dave Sergeant
 

On 14 Apr 2019 at 9:28, Brian Vogel wrote:

If you're using the e-mail interface, and the group was set up to allow
private messages, there is a link at the end of every individual
message, "Reply to Sender,"
Only in HTML mails, not in plain text if the group or user has
configured for plain text only. There used to be one there but it
disappeared a while back when Mark revised the footers.

I am a bit puzzled. In virtually all my groups members assume their
email addresses will appear in their postings and occasionally want to
reply to senders off list. Even DMARC does not hide the sender's
address, it just needs a bit of jiggery pokery to work it out. I for
one would request the sender's address is even more easy to find.

Dave

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: email address from sender

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 2019/04/14 06:28 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 05:42 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
Groups.io does not have a "private message" feature yet, right?
It certainly does. ...there is a link at the end of every individual message, "Reply to Sender," that will prepopulate a blank e-mail message with the original message sender's address...
Actually I was referring to a feature found on some other forums whereby
you can send a private message to someone without knowing their e-mail
address. The recipient gets the private message in a "private message
inbox" tied to his profile page, and may get an e-mail notification
telling him that there is a message waiting for him.

Sending an e-mail with "Private" in the subject line isn't what I had in
mind when I said "private message" feature (but thanks for the reply).

Samuel

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