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moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 10:20 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
it's next to impossible to tell sometimes whether or not a message is a new topic, and whether it's moderated because of that or because of other reasons (a moderated thread or member
...with the upshot being that frequently, after a moderated message comes in, I find myself going into the member's pages to see whether they're on mod, or whether the thread they posted in is on mode, etc. Having this one bit of info ("started new thread") would be really helpful.

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moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

Oh, another reason: I have been making substantial use of Helen's idea for the "MF" posting status. Now, almost all of our members are on that status so that I can check their posting titles, which in our group have to conform to a certain format. So most new topics now automatically have the first message moderated. However, sometimes a message comes into pending for moderation and I can't tell whether that's because it's a new topic, or because the member is on moderation. With thread titles in our group sometimes really similar to each other, as I mentioned above (e.g., "Fluffy hasn't pooped yet" and "Fluffly hasn't pooped yet - should I increase her dosage?" - that kind of thing) - it's next to impossible to tell sometimes whether or not a message is a new topic, and whether it's moderated because of that or because of other reasons (a moderated thread or member). 
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moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 09:49 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
in a group where new tags are not allowed to be created
Oh, ok. Thanks.
 
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moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

Hi Mark,

One reason is to potentially be able to suggest policies for starting or not starting new topics in our group. Members' behavior in this regard stretches from one end of the spectrum to the other. Recently, one of our newer members seemed to be starting numerous topics, but it was hard to tell, because the names of the topics were similar. (In one case, there seemed to be a bug, which I nearly reported to you but have decided to wait on, where a member started two topics with what looked like the exact same name, in the same day, that did not thread.) Other members, when it would make the most sense to start a new thread because something really new is happening with their cat, will continue in the same thread for 100s of messages, until I try to get them to start a new one. I'd like to be able to check the members' activity to see what their new-topic behavior is like in general - not necessarily to get on anyone's case about it, but more to see what the overall behavior has been and whether I can suggest any soft policy for starting new topics based on what it's been happening so far. Then, after (possibly) suggesting a policy or criterion for starting or not starting new topics, I can check whether it's going well or not. Etc.

Another reason is to keep track of content. I'd like to be able to see quickly which new topics have started that I maybe haven't noticed, so that I can be sure to deal with them.

I think other specific reasons may come to mind, but that's off the top of my head. I just knew that several times I've tried to note any new topics from the logs, and it's been difficult. I've resorted to filtering out "by hand" messages in the message list beginning with "Re:," because currently, that's the only way you can do it. When I noticed I'd been doing that a lot, I made the request, and also suggested that it could perhaps be implemented by filtering out the "Re"s (the responses).

Thanks.

J

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 9:47 AM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hi J,

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:47 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
In my ongoing effort to get a handle on how many topics are being started during a period of time, when, and by whom, I previously requested the ability to do a search that returns the first post of every topic.

Out of curiosity, what do you do with this information?

Thanks,
Mark 


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moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 7:24 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 07:22 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
it seems to be a no-op at this point
...assuming my understanding is correct that it's supposed to log a message creating a new tag...??? I think I'll wait that one out.
 
That is for logging when someone, in a group where new tags are not allowed to be created, attempts to send a message with a new tag.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

Hi J,

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:47 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
In my ongoing effort to get a handle on how many topics are being started during a period of time, when, and by whom, I previously requested the ability to do a search that returns the first post of every topic.

Out of curiosity, what do you do with this information?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 


I couldn't get any of the other tag ones to do anything either lol

Gerald


moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

I think the entry could be "New topic" in the Messages activity log, and "Sent new topic" in the member activity. Or something like that.
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moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 07:22 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
it seems to be a no-op at this point
...assuming my understanding is correct that it's supposed to log a message creating a new tag...??? I think I'll wait that one out.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 06:57 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
There is already an "Action" called "Message with a new tag"
Hmmm, never knew that existed, so I just tested it and it seems to be a no-op at this point (nothing gets logged). I'll send a message to support.

"Message with a new topic"
That would do, although I'm not crazy about it. The entry "message with a new tag" accurately describes a message with a certain attribute (the tag). But in "message with a new topic," the relationship between the message and the topic is different - the message is part of the new topic. That said, I don't think it really matters much what it's called.

 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:47 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
In my ongoing effort to get a handle on how many topics are being started during a period of time, when, and by whom, I previously requested the ability to do a search that returns the first post of every topic. As a separate (but related) suggestion, it would be really helpful to have an action logged called "started new topic."  It might be called "sent new topic" or whatever. I'm not sure what the best verbiage is, since if the group or user is moderated, or is MF (moderate first topic), the message would be moderated. In any case, it would be great to get a handle on the action of starting new topics.
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J

 

Hard to imagine that there could be a type of "Action" that isn't already covered...  😉

There is already an "Action" called "Message with a new tag", so perhaps "Message with a new topic".
 
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Gerald


moderated The topics-test page shows currently disabled

Leeni
 

 
In one of my groups we are in the process of deleting very old messages from when my group was on Yahoo.
The messages are all blank. There isn't anything in them now. There is no reason that they need to be there.
There are many thousands of them. I went to work on deleting them and I got the following message
when I added the -test to the topics URL
Is this a bug?
We need that feature to work or a way we can hide the messages from members or another way to delete messages in mass. My groups are used as email groups only and new people who join the group shouldn't be able to reap the benefits of the group before they were members. 
Thank, Ilene
 


moderated Re: Paid groups join flow

Noel Leaver
 

> US could work. I don't think we need a badge for settled, as that will be the "normal" case for members.

My first thought on seeing US is Unservicable or that they are in the USA.

>We have NuM as a precedent for three-letter badges, so another idea might be UnP for UnPaid.

Better.

Noel


moderated log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

In my ongoing effort to get a handle on how many topics are being started during a period of time, when, and by whom, I previously requested the ability to do a search that returns the first post of every topic. As a separate (but related) suggestion, it would be really helpful to have an action logged called "started new topic."  It might be called "sent new topic" or whatever. I'm not sure what the best verbiage is, since if the group or user is moderated, or is MF (moderate first topic), the message would be moderated. In any case, it would be great to get a handle on the action of starting new topics.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Paid groups join flow

 

Mark,

3) If the group is restricted, the credit card is not charged. If the
person's pending subscription is approved, the credit card is charged
at that time.
Sounds good to me (including 1 & 2).

Right now, it's set so that you can view/edit your subscription plan
on your group Subscription page. I should also make an overall
subscription page on your account.
Excellent.

Shal


moderated Re: Paid groups join flow

 

J,

... what about US (for unsettled) and/or S for settled.
US could work. I don't think we need a badge for settled, as that will be the "normal" case for members.

We have NuM as a precedent for three-letter badges, so another idea might be UnP for UnPaid.

Shal


moderated Re: Paid groups join flow

 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 12:04 PM Andy W <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
There is no reference to subgroups here and I seem to recall a recent change to allow members invited to join a subgroup to be automatically added to the main group. Is that route in covered by this proposed feature?

For at least this first iteration, the subscription plans will be based on the parent group, and will cover all subgroups. You do bring up a good point that I need to consider the invite flow.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Paid groups join flow

 

Hi Shal,

Thanks for the feedback. How about this flow instead:

1) Person hits the join/apply button. This goes to a new screen, where they select a subscription plan and enter their credit card information (if we don't already have their credit card info).
2) If the group is not restricted, the credit card is charged immediately and they are in.
3) If the group is restricted, the credit card is not charged. If the person's pending subscription is approved, the credit card is charged at that time.

If the group is asking for donations, the new screen could say so and make the selection of a subscription plan/credit card optional.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:37 AM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Eventually there's the whole flow when it is time for the member to renew. That probably also speaks to an account page to manage the paid subscriptions (which renewals are due soon?).

Right now, it's set so that you can view/edit your subscription plan on your group Subscription page. I should also make an overall subscription page on your account.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Frame showing attachents in a topic #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

WOW. Instead of worrying about "private" vs. "off list" or "who cares", we might think about asking Mark if the below (right side frame) can be added?
WOW is all I can say, what a valuable tool.


moderated Re: Reply to Sender

KWKloeber
 

Sharon would "Private Message"  or "Persona Message" sound/work better? 
"PM me" seems to be one of those unwritten standards these days.
Perhaps in conjunction w/ an iconized button like simplemachines platform forum uses....

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