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moderated Re: The topics-test page shows currently disabled

 

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 3:03 PM Leeni <leeniluvsgroups@...> wrote:
Okay sorry, no one in GMF said we couldn't use that system for deleting messages in bulk. No one said it was in testing when I inquired about it. I had no idea what the -test even meant as I am not computer literate. More then half of what groups IO was designed for we don't even utilize or thought about in our wildest dreams.  That was what we were told to do and we were just following the directions given to us.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you did anything with malice. You couldn't have known.

Mark
- digging through an unusually large amount of email today


moderated Re: The topics-test page shows currently disabled

Leeni
 

Okay sorry, no one in GMF said we couldn't use that system for deleting messages in bulk. No one said it was in testing when I inquired about it. I had no idea what the -test even meant as I am not computer literate. More then half of what groups IO was designed for we don't even utilize or thought about in our wildest dreams.  That was what we were told to do and we were just following the directions given to us.
 
We had no idea that it put a load on the system as we weren't told that in GMF.
There were many threads and messages on that issue.
 
Me and the circle I travel in are basically email based groups.
 
Ilene 
 
 
 
 

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Date: 3/29/2019 4:28:31 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] The topics-test page shows currently disabled
 
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 6:49 AM Leeni <leeniluvsgroups@...> wrote:
 
In one of my groups we are in the process of deleting very old messages from when my group was on Yahoo.
The messages are all blank. There isn't anything in them now. There is no reason that they need to be there.
There are many thousands of them. I went to work on deleting them and I got the following message
when I added the -test to the topics URL

Yes, I had to disable that page because you were hammering the system with delete requests. The system is not currently optimized to delete bulk messages like you were doing and it puts a load on the system. The URL has '-test' in the name for a reason....


We need that feature to work or a way we can hide the messages from members or another way to delete messages in mass. My groups are used as email groups only and new people who join the group shouldn't be able to reap the benefits of the group before they were members. 

The groups.io system wasn't really designed for that type of usage. 


Mark
 


moderated Re: Embedded database table to external website #suggestion

 

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 1:44 PM Benoît Dumeaux <benoit.dumeaux@...> wrote:
Any possibilities ?


I'm not against such a feature, but it's not something that I can prioritize right now.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: The topics-test page shows currently disabled

 

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 6:49 AM Leeni <leeniluvsgroups@...> wrote:
 
In one of my groups we are in the process of deleting very old messages from when my group was on Yahoo.
The messages are all blank. There isn't anything in them now. There is no reason that they need to be there.
There are many thousands of them. I went to work on deleting them and I got the following message
when I added the -test to the topics URL

Yes, I had to disable that page because you were hammering the system with delete requests. The system is not currently optimized to delete bulk messages like you were doing and it puts a load on the system. The URL has '-test' in the name for a reason....


We need that feature to work or a way we can hide the messages from members or another way to delete messages in mass. My groups are used as email groups only and new people who join the group shouldn't be able to reap the benefits of the group before they were members. 

The groups.io system wasn't really designed for that type of usage. 


Mark


moderated Re: Embedded database table to external website #suggestion

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Any possibilities ?


On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 01:52 PM, Benoît Dumeaux wrote:
Hello,

I want embedded a database table of one of my groups.io to external website. Possibilities?


moderated No activity log entry for email integration #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

It would be handy if posts arriving to the group via an email integration generated a corresponding entry in the activity log.

Thanks,
Bruce


moderated Re: Paid groups join flow

Barb M
 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 05:37 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:


3) If the group is restricted, the credit card is not charged. If the person's
pending subscription is approved, the credit card is charged at that time.
Definitely a better plan. At this time we don't expect to have a paid group but many of the people asking to join DON'T eventually join (not due to rejection, it's a sensitive topic and some just aren't ready to talk about it yet) I really wouldn't them charged before joining. I can see only headaches from that. This suggestion sounds great.

Barb


moderated Re: Suggestion-calendar feature

 

Hi All,

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:48 PM Charlie Behnken <charles.behnken@...> wrote:
A thought - remove the check box completely and add a third button next to "Add Event" like "Add Event and Send Invite", and for an edit "Update Event and Send Invite"

I've removed the checkbox and replaced it with dedicated buttons.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 10:20 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
it's next to impossible to tell sometimes whether or not a message is a new topic, and whether it's moderated because of that or because of other reasons (a moderated thread or member
...with the upshot being that frequently, after a moderated message comes in, I find myself going into the member's pages to see whether they're on mod, or whether the thread they posted in is on mode, etc. Having this one bit of info ("started new thread") would be really helpful.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

Oh, another reason: I have been making substantial use of Helen's idea for the "MF" posting status. Now, almost all of our members are on that status so that I can check their posting titles, which in our group have to conform to a certain format. So most new topics now automatically have the first message moderated. However, sometimes a message comes into pending for moderation and I can't tell whether that's because it's a new topic, or because the member is on moderation. With thread titles in our group sometimes really similar to each other, as I mentioned above (e.g., "Fluffy hasn't pooped yet" and "Fluffly hasn't pooped yet - should I increase her dosage?" - that kind of thing) - it's next to impossible to tell sometimes whether or not a message is a new topic, and whether it's moderated because of that or because of other reasons (a moderated thread or member). 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 09:49 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
in a group where new tags are not allowed to be created
Oh, ok. Thanks.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

Hi Mark,

One reason is to potentially be able to suggest policies for starting or not starting new topics in our group. Members' behavior in this regard stretches from one end of the spectrum to the other. Recently, one of our newer members seemed to be starting numerous topics, but it was hard to tell, because the names of the topics were similar. (In one case, there seemed to be a bug, which I nearly reported to you but have decided to wait on, where a member started two topics with what looked like the exact same name, in the same day, that did not thread.) Other members, when it would make the most sense to start a new thread because something really new is happening with their cat, will continue in the same thread for 100s of messages, until I try to get them to start a new one. I'd like to be able to check the members' activity to see what their new-topic behavior is like in general - not necessarily to get on anyone's case about it, but more to see what the overall behavior has been and whether I can suggest any soft policy for starting new topics based on what it's been happening so far. Then, after (possibly) suggesting a policy or criterion for starting or not starting new topics, I can check whether it's going well or not. Etc.

Another reason is to keep track of content. I'd like to be able to see quickly which new topics have started that I maybe haven't noticed, so that I can be sure to deal with them.

I think other specific reasons may come to mind, but that's off the top of my head. I just knew that several times I've tried to note any new topics from the logs, and it's been difficult. I've resorted to filtering out "by hand" messages in the message list beginning with "Re:," because currently, that's the only way you can do it. When I noticed I'd been doing that a lot, I made the request, and also suggested that it could perhaps be implemented by filtering out the "Re"s (the responses).

Thanks.

J

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 9:47 AM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hi J,

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:47 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
In my ongoing effort to get a handle on how many topics are being started during a period of time, when, and by whom, I previously requested the ability to do a search that returns the first post of every topic.

Out of curiosity, what do you do with this information?

Thanks,
Mark 


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 7:24 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 07:22 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
it seems to be a no-op at this point
...assuming my understanding is correct that it's supposed to log a message creating a new tag...??? I think I'll wait that one out.
 
That is for logging when someone, in a group where new tags are not allowed to be created, attempts to send a message with a new tag.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

Hi J,

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:47 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
In my ongoing effort to get a handle on how many topics are being started during a period of time, when, and by whom, I previously requested the ability to do a search that returns the first post of every topic.

Out of curiosity, what do you do with this information?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 


I couldn't get any of the other tag ones to do anything either lol

Gerald


moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

I think the entry could be "New topic" in the Messages activity log, and "Sent new topic" in the member activity. Or something like that.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 07:22 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
it seems to be a no-op at this point
...assuming my understanding is correct that it's supposed to log a message creating a new tag...??? I think I'll wait that one out.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

 

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 06:57 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
There is already an "Action" called "Message with a new tag"
Hmmm, never knew that existed, so I just tested it and it seems to be a no-op at this point (nothing gets logged). I'll send a message to support.

"Message with a new topic"
That would do, although I'm not crazy about it. The entry "message with a new tag" accurately describes a message with a certain attribute (the tag). But in "message with a new topic," the relationship between the message and the topic is different - the message is part of the new topic. That said, I don't think it really matters much what it's called.

 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: log activity "started new topic" #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:47 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
In my ongoing effort to get a handle on how many topics are being started during a period of time, when, and by whom, I previously requested the ability to do a search that returns the first post of every topic. As a separate (but related) suggestion, it would be really helpful to have an action logged called "started new topic."  It might be called "sent new topic" or whatever. I'm not sure what the best verbiage is, since if the group or user is moderated, or is MF (moderate first topic), the message would be moderated. In any case, it would be great to get a handle on the action of starting new topics.
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J

 

Hard to imagine that there could be a type of "Action" that isn't already covered...  😉

There is already an "Action" called "Message with a new tag", so perhaps "Message with a new topic".
 
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Gerald


moderated The topics-test page shows currently disabled

Leeni
 

 
In one of my groups we are in the process of deleting very old messages from when my group was on Yahoo.
The messages are all blank. There isn't anything in them now. There is no reason that they need to be there.
There are many thousands of them. I went to work on deleting them and I got the following message
when I added the -test to the topics URL
Is this a bug?
We need that feature to work or a way we can hide the messages from members or another way to delete messages in mass. My groups are used as email groups only and new people who join the group shouldn't be able to reap the benefits of the group before they were members. 
Thank, Ilene
 

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