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moderated Re: Delete part of message "[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]"

Benoît Dumeaux
 

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 05:50 PM, Dave Sergeant wrote:
Not sure what your question is.

In Yahoogroups for groups that are set as plain text and no
attachments, any messages posted in HTML or with attachments will have
those parts stripped and this statement appended to the end.
Yahoogroups added it in the original, groups.io transferred it over as
it was complete with the statement if it was there.
How hide or delete automatically this part of message?


moderated Re: Option to set expiry date on nomail/special notice

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 08:58 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
Your thoughts?
I can only speak for myself, but I am a "no mail" subscriber to numerous groups because I much prefer to work from the web UI. I would not want to have to fiddle about on different groups advising the owner that I wished to stay on "no mail". The exception is the group I moderate where I use email delivery to warn me that a bit of activity is required; I can't be looking at and refreshing the web UI all the time if I am doing something else. As a (co)owner and moderator I would not want to get involved in managing delivery options on a daily basis, so assuming that your proposal would be "optional" it would be an option I would not invoke. I would hate it if some sort of "delivery option management" was forced on to moderators.

What is the intended purpose behind this suggestion? At the moment it looks like a load of complexity for the sake of having more complexity. How members read posts is of little import; it is not in and of itself a measure of their "engagement" which might be better measured by their posts, rather than the means by which they read the posts of others. What's next? A "minimum number of posts per day/week/month/year"?

I'm afraid that I view this idea as an example of the attempts at "control freakery" that seem to arise from time to time; that said I fully accept that others might feel differently.

As a final point I would ask why have you conflated members on no mail or special delivery only with "sleeping members"? I accept that that may be the case, but it should not be automatically assumed that they are one and the same thing.

Chris


moderated Option to set expiry date on nomail/special notice

Samuel Murrayy
 

Hello everyone

Some people set themselves to "nomail" for an indefinite amount of time (e.g. they no longer want to want to leave, but find it too drastic to unsubscribe, or they want to read via the web but don't want to receive a digest), whereas others do so only for short, set periods of time (e.g. going away on holidays).

Some group owners do not want "sleeping" members in their groups (i.e. members who are on nomail or special notice indefinitely).

So, a suggestion:

Make it possible for members to go nomail for a set period of time only. In other words, when they change their subscription to "nomail", they [can] also set for how many days they want to be nomail, and once that time is over, their subscription automatically reverts to the previous subscription setting (or: to digest).

Also, group owners should be able to *require* that members who want to go nomail, should set a period.

Also (instead of or independent of the previous point), group owners should be able to set a maximum nomail time (if the member wants to be nomail for longer, he has to communicate with the group owner directly to ask for a longer extension).

Also, if a member goes nomail via e-mail and does not specify the length of time that he will be nomail, he should be nomail for only as long as a default amount of nomail duration set by the group owner (which can be the same as the maximum nomail time, or another duration set by the moderator).

Your thoughts?

Samuel


moderated Re: Why isn't there a "don't like" option, in addition to the "like" option?

Bob Bellizzi
 

I can see the rational use of Like and Don't Like in relation to the way a feature operates, the lack or or the plethora of color in an abstract art piece as well as two heads in place of feet in same. 

When Mark proposes or implements a new feature, shorthand opinions have great merit for his overly busy days.
A quick scan of Beta's Like/Don't Like tagging for a feature would give him a quick read.  Then, as chief of all at groups.io he could expand his understanding of both by reading appropriate messages from the Likers/Dislikers or even elicit opinions from them if he's of a mind.  In short, a quick survey  of opinions might be helpful in this case.

But to allow free use of like/dislike to any message is to question not only the content but to possibly cause the author of the (unliked) message to question what they did wrong, and/or a plethora of other questions about what/why was not liked.  More timid souls would likely be totally silenced.  (no chance of finding me in that last category)
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Why isn't there a "don't like" option, in addition to the "like" option?

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

Well, now that we are off the original topic, I would like to rebut the "unlike for like".

I do find the "Like" handy for when I agree with someone, or like the joke they are telling, but I don't want to have to make a "me too" post.

So, who should have the choice as to whether or not Like and/or Unlike is allowed in a Group? Should it be the Group owner or the subscribers? Or should this be enforced site-wide?

--
Gerald


moderated Re: Why isn't there a "don't like" option, in addition to the "like" option?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I said elsewhere that were I given a choice, the "Like" button would itself be discontinued.

Groups.io is about as far from social media as I can imagine online these days, and upvote (like) and downvote (dislike) buttons scream social media or newspaper comments sections to me (and many of the latter dropped both a long time ago).

I find them to be the equivalent of "Me too!!" messages, but with a "direction."   I've never found this sort of content serves any useful purpose to the membership at large.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

     Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.

              ~ Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Why isn't there a "don't like" option, in addition to the "like" option?

 

The suggestion for an option to disable even the "Like" button has been suggested (by me) (and, ironically, was "Liked" by some people).
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/28717248#19180

Even "Likes" can contribute to contentiousness.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Why isn't there a "don't like" option, in addition to the "like" option?

Marv Waschke
 

I'll go even farther. The groups I work with go a long way to encourage people to express their thoughts on the subjects under discussion. The moderators try hard to express appreciation for everyone who takes the trouble to comment and soothe ruffled feathers when someone's opinion is put down, which is not the same as disagreement. The result is a pleasant experience for all. When someone goes rogue, there are many tools: outright bans, placing on moderation, private emails, public replies, and silence all have their place. 

I would not welcome a "dislike" option because it would make it easy to put someone down without explaining why. I see "dislikes" making moderation more difficult for groups that I enjoy.
Best, Marv


moderated Re: Hide French quote

Benoît Dumeaux
 

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moderated Re: Delete part of message "[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]"

Dave Sergeant
 

Not sure what your question is.

In Yahoogroups for groups that are set as plain text and no
attachments, any messages posted in HTML or with attachments will have
those parts stripped and this statement appended to the end.
Yahoogroups added it in the original, groups.io transferred it over as
it was complete with the statement if it was there.

Dave

On 9 Apr 2019 at 8:15, Benoît Dumeaux wrote:

Delete form Y!G messages archives
"[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]"

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moderated Delete part of message "[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]"

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Delete form Y!G messages archives
"[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]"


moderated Re: Why isn't there a "don't like" option, in addition to the "like" option?

 

Downvotes tend to cause arguments. So a "Dislike" option is yet another feature where I would ask, if it's ever provided, that there be a way for a group to disable it.

JohnF


moderated Why isn't there a "don't like" option, in addition to the "like" option?

 

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moderated Re: Consolidate Subgroup Calendars #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Tim,

you can get a combined calendar view of the main group and all subgroups you are subscribed to using the Your Calendar option after clicking the Groups.io icon towards the top left of the browser window.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • BUGFIX: When editing a repeating event, if no date/time changes are made, we no longer lose any RSVPs to existing events.
  • INTERNAL: Upgraded Stripe API library to the latest version as part of the work to support group payments.
  • BUGFIX: The GMT offset in the #cal-invite message would be off if the new event is on a date that has a different daylight savings than today's date.
  • CHANGE: A user's overall calendar now defaults to list view on mobile. It also respects a user's time format.
  • INTERNAL: Changed admin system to not rely on the main database for authentication.
  • CHANGED: Updated the credit card forms with newer code from Stripe.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark


moderated Consolidate Subgroup Calendars #suggestion

Tim Crandall <tim.crandall@...>
 

I would like the ability to add events to a subgroup calendar and send reminders to only the subgroup members, but have the event show on the main group calendar. That way everyone in the group knows what's happening, but not everyone gets reminder messages that may not be relevant to them.


moderated Re: Suggestion for new feed page

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 05:20 PM, I wrote:
Curiously none of the 8 groups of which I am a member has (or more correctly had) set a non - elephant icon
Oops; mea culpa. Shal had set one for his test group. Please don't throw me off it. :)

Chris


moderated Re: Suggestion for new feed page

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 11:13 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
BTW, setting a Mobile icon (group Admin settings) is the icon that shows up in the group feed.
Curiously none of the 8 groups of which I am a member has (or more correctly had) set a non - elephant icon; I have just done one for the group I moderate. May I advise anyone thinking of setting one up that it has to be incredibly simple, IMHO, for the simple reason that as displayed it will be (of necessity) rather small for anything "exotic". 

I have taken the monumental liberty of attaching one suitable for this group should its owner see fit to use it. :)

Chris


moderated Re: Suggestion for new feed page

Duane
 

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 09:56 AM, Holly wrote:
it varies randomly between the groups.io/feed and groups.io/groups.
There are several pages that can become the 'default' for the home page, depending on which you last visited.  The 2 you mentioned, as well as groups.io/topics and groups.io/calendar for sure and there may be others I'm not aware of, but not the bounce page.

Duane


moderated Re: Suggestion for new feed page

Holly <holly@...>
 

Well, it did start as a suggestion for the feed page :) But I won't clutter up the list with stuff that isn't related to improvement suggestions.

Thanks, that idea worked for me. The feed page remains strange - it doesn't show me the last page I visited, which is usually my bounce page, but it varies randomly between the groups.io/feed and groups.io/groups.

Holly

On 4/5/19 10:23 AM, Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io wrote:
Holly
You should probably take this discussion over to the GMF but...
You don’t need to be annoyed. Don’t worry, be happy!
Go back to the page you like.
https://groups.io/groups
X out. The next g.io <http://g.io> will take you back there and will continue to take you there unless you X out with the feed page open.
You don’t need to keep a page open, just put a link on your browser top bar or save a link to a convenient place like your start menu or desktop if on a PC
Ken

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