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moderated Re: "follow" and "unfollow" dropdown for members using the group's Topics list #suggestion

Frances
 

Of course, this doesn’t work ion an iPhone. I can “follow” from a footer in an email. It takes me to a screen to click follow. I can click on Hashtags on my iPhone in my groups - topics. But I can’t subscribe to a thread (follow) from the groups.io web interface. When I am away from home, like now, I use my iPhone. 

And if I am on the groups.io website, whether I am in all topics for my subscriptions or individual group, I can’t follow a thread - ie, get future posts in my email inbox for Beta or GMF.  My subscriptions for these are first message, follow. 

Frances


moderated Re: "follow" and "unfollow" dropdown for members using the group's Topics list #suggestion

 

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 05:06 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
in addition to the main Topics list you see.
meaning: in addition to the Topics list you see in the group
 
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moderated Re: "follow" and "unfollow" dropdown for members using the group's Topics list #suggestion

 

I think it would be redundant/superfluous to have a *separate* Topics list per group, in each group, in addition to the main Topics list you see. I think the dropdown addition to the existing group Topics list makes more sense. Plus, it would be fewer steps.


On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 4:23 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 06:03 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 03:37 AM, Duane wrote:

BTW, I don't currently see any way to start following online,
You can do it, but as I said, it's awkward and unintuitive (the latter being proven by the fact that you didn't know about it;). You have to go to groups.io and then to your "Topics" list on the left. That shows you all of your topics in all of your groups, and you can follow or unfollow from there. It's in the Help doc. :)
Thanks for the reminder.  I was thinking I'd seen it before, but had forgotten since I never use it!  Yes, it is a bit awkward, especially since it only appears on the site overview pages.  As Frances said, it would be nice to have that option in each group.  That might be easier to implement than the drop down addition and could show the "follow" or "unfollow" as appropriate for the topic being viewed, as it now does on the overview page.

Duane


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moderated Re: "follow" and "unfollow" dropdown for members using the group's Topics list #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 06:03 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 03:37 AM, Duane wrote:

BTW, I don't currently see any way to start following online,
You can do it, but as I said, it's awkward and unintuitive (the latter being proven by the fact that you didn't know about it;). You have to go to groups.io and then to your "Topics" list on the left. That shows you all of your topics in all of your groups, and you can follow or unfollow from there. It's in the Help doc. :)
Thanks for the reminder.  I was thinking I'd seen it before, but had forgotten since I never use it!  Yes, it is a bit awkward, especially since it only appears on the site overview pages.  As Frances said, it would be nice to have that option in each group.  That might be easier to implement than the drop down addition and could show the "follow" or "unfollow" as appropriate for the topic being viewed, as it now does on the overview page.

Duane


moderated Re: "follow" and "unfollow" dropdown for members using the group's Topics list #suggestion

 

Speaking of "mute" (no pun intended;), if there's going to be follow/unfollow from the Topics list, then there should also be mute/unmute.
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moderated Re: "follow" and "unfollow" dropdown for members using the group's Topics list #suggestion

 

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 03:37 AM, Duane wrote:
For quite awhile, one of my niggling concerns has been that the online view ignores any muted hashtags.  That means that I always see all topics, regardless of any that I might mute.  I think this would be a similar situation.  I believe Mark explained that as having the site be a display of all messages, as opposed to your specific preferences.
I think doing either one would be an implementation nightmare. But my subsequent thought about looking up whether a topic is followed or not only if the user clicks on the dropdown removes that nightmare. It would be akin to a user clicking on "More" for a message and seeing either "Like"or "Unlike."

I envision it being like ‘moderate/immoderate and lock/unlock, so I don’t see a problem there, either. But those are only shown to moderators with privileges.   I wouldn't want more items shown,
The way I envision this, a non-moderator member would see only the "follow" or "unfollow" option when clicking on the dropdown. Moderators would simply have that added to the rest of their options.

BTW, I don't currently see any way to start following online,
You can do it, but as I said, it's awkward and unintuitive (the latter being proven by the fact that you didn't know about it;). You have to go to groups.io and then to your "Topics" list on the left. That shows you all of your topics in all of your groups, and you can follow or unfollow from there. It's in the Help doc. :)
 
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moderated Re: "follow" and "unfollow" dropdown for members using the group's Topics list #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 05:14 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
I do see a possible implementation headache with displaying a iser’s customized view of the Topics list.
For quite awhile, one of my niggling concerns has been that the online view ignores any muted hashtags.  That means that I always see all topics, regardless of any that I might mute.  I think this would be a similar situation.  I believe Mark explained that as having the site be a display of all messages, as opposed to your specific preferences.

I envision it being like ‘moderate/immoderate and lock/unlock, so I don’t see a problem there, either.
But those are only shown to moderators with privileges.  I wouldn't want more items shown, especially if they don't apply to a particular user, which could cause more misunderstandings.

BTW, I don't currently see any way to start following online, but that may be because I don't use email at all (except special notices)?

Duane


moderated Re: "follow" and "unfollow" dropdown for members using the group's Topics list #suggestion

 

Still thinking out loud; it wouldn’t necessarily slow things down because the system would have to look up whether the user is following the topic or not only if they click on the drop down. It would not have to check every topic every time it displays the Topics list.


On Dec 29, 2018, at 3:22 AM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

By customized display, I mean whether the drop down shows ‘follow’ or ‘unfollow’ under any given topic.


On Dec 29, 2018, at 3:19 AM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

ps I do see a possible implementation headache with displaying a iser’s customized view of the Topics list. But that would be for Mark to sort out if he likes this idea. Not sure whether it’s practical or whether it would slow things to a grinding halt.


On Dec 29, 2018, at 3:14 AM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Duane,

Currently you can follow and unfollow whether or not you’re set to ‘following only’. The system acts on it only if you’re set to ‘following only.’ Otherwise it ignores. (BTW ‘delivery method’ refers to single email or digest, etc; not your advanced preference to ‘following only’)

I envision it being like ‘moderate/immoderate and lock/unlock, so I don’t see a problem there, either.
  
Maybe I misunderstood your concerns?



On Dec 29, 2018, at 2:41 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

It would appear to me that there would need to be another view, "not followed", available to use the "follow" option.  Otherwise you'd need to click the More (or new drop down?) on each post to see if you were already following.  And the "follow" and "unfollow" options should only appear for those that are using that setting as their delivery method.

Duane

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "follow" and "unfollow" dropdown for members using the group's Topics list #suggestion

 

By customized display, I mean whether the drop down shows ‘follow’ or ‘unfollow’ under any given topic.


On Dec 29, 2018, at 3:19 AM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

ps I do see a possible implementation headache with displaying a iser’s customized view of the Topics list. But that would be for Mark to sort out if he likes this idea. Not sure whether it’s practical or whether it would slow things to a grinding halt.


On Dec 29, 2018, at 3:14 AM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Duane,

Currently you can follow and unfollow whether or not you’re set to ‘following only’. The system acts on it only if you’re set to ‘following only.’ Otherwise it ignores. (BTW ‘delivery method’ refers to single email or digest, etc; not your advanced preference to ‘following only’)

I envision it being like ‘moderate/immoderate and lock/unlock, so I don’t see a problem there, either.
  
Maybe I misunderstood your concerns?



On Dec 29, 2018, at 2:41 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

It would appear to me that there would need to be another view, "not followed", available to use the "follow" option.  Otherwise you'd need to click the More (or new drop down?) on each post to see if you were already following.  And the "follow" and "unfollow" options should only appear for those that are using that setting as their delivery method.

Duane

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "follow" and "unfollow" dropdown for members using the group's Topics list #suggestion

 

ps I do see a possible implementation headache with displaying a iser’s customized view of the Topics list. But that would be for Mark to sort out if he likes this idea. Not sure whether it’s practical or whether it would slow things to a grinding halt.


On Dec 29, 2018, at 3:14 AM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Duane,

Currently you can follow and unfollow whether or not you’re set to ‘following only’. The system acts on it only if you’re set to ‘following only.’ Otherwise it ignores. (BTW ‘delivery method’ refers to single email or digest, etc; not your advanced preference to ‘following only’)

I envision it being like ‘moderate/immoderate and lock/unlock, so I don’t see a problem there, either.
  
Maybe I misunderstood your concerns?



On Dec 29, 2018, at 2:41 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

It would appear to me that there would need to be another view, "not followed", available to use the "follow" option.  Otherwise you'd need to click the More (or new drop down?) on each post to see if you were already following.  And the "follow" and "unfollow" options should only appear for those that are using that setting as their delivery method.

Duane

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "follow" and "unfollow" dropdown for members using the group's Topics list #suggestion

 

Duane,

Currently you can follow and unfollow whether or not you’re set to ‘following only’. The system acts on it only if you’re set to ‘following only.’ Otherwise it ignores. (BTW ‘delivery method’ refers to single email or digest, etc; not your advanced preference to ‘following only’)

I envision it being like ‘moderate/immoderate and lock/unlock, so I don’t see a problem there, either.
  
Maybe I misunderstood your concerns?



On Dec 29, 2018, at 2:41 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

It would appear to me that there would need to be another view, "not followed", available to use the "follow" option.  Otherwise you'd need to click the More (or new drop down?) on each post to see if you were already following.  And the "follow" and "unfollow" options should only appear for those that are using that setting as their delivery method.

Duane

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "follow" and "unfollow" dropdown for members using the group's Topics list #suggestion

Duane
 

It would appear to me that there would need to be another view, "not followed", available to use the "follow" option.  Otherwise you'd need to click the More (or new drop down?) on each post to see if you were already following.  And the "follow" and "unfollow" options should only appear for those that are using that setting as their delivery method.

Duane


moderated Re: "follow" and "unfollow" dropdown for members using the group's Topics list #suggestion

Frances
 

I find it annoying that I can’t choose to follow a thread from the web, from the group home. 

So so this would be something I would use. 

Frances


moderated "follow" and "unfollow" dropdown for members using the group's Topics list #suggestion

 

It would be convenient for members subscribed via "following only" to be able to click on a topic in the topics list and follow or unfollow it from there, rather than via email, because sometimes, the original email has been deleted or can't be found, and because sometimes, you just might want to do it that way. Using the overall Topics list on the left to follow or unfollow topics from the site is relatively awkward - unintuitive and takes too many steps.
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moderated Re: Allow Members to Be Able to Set Photos Sort Options

Dotty Bell
 

I agree with Patty that the option to set both default Album and Photo Sort Options of our choosing, at least at the subscriber level, would be most helpful for our my group's use of the Photos section.  I had previously suggested in GMF the option for owners to set a default Sort for their groups,  but I know Shal (and perhaps others) were not in favor of that.  I still would personally like that option as an owner, but I would be satisfied with the option for Subscribers to set their own default and have it remain as the default each time they visited the group Photo page, or moved around in the albums and photos.  

My wishes, in order of preference, would be:
1) Option for owner to set default Sort options for group  [or...]
2) Option for owner to set default Sort options for individual subscribers (such as we can with their email preference)  [or...]
3) Option for subscriber to set default Sort options.

Even with my last choice, I could help individual subscribers set their Sort options perhaps only once, instead of having to include a link to the album or add a note explaining how to change their Sort each time new photos are posted.  That is the method I have been using with the current Sort by Title default. 

Dotty Bell


moderated Re: provide "favoriting" (bookmarking) of posts #suggestion

 

Also, browser favorites are a little bit too persistent for what I have in mind. I want to be able to mark - and unmark - posts as favorites easily and directly from the groups.io site.


On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 8:41 AM J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
p.s. Gerald, I realize you can do this with browser folders, etc. It's why I said preemptively that I don't want to be bothered with all that. I am requesting a groups.io feature to make it easier. (I am in several social media sites where the feature exists.)
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: provide "favoriting" (bookmarking) of posts #suggestion

 

p.s. Gerald, I realize you can do this with browser folders, etc. It's why I said preemptively that I don't want to be bothered with all that. I am requesting a groups.io feature to make it easier. (I am in several social media sites where the feature exists.)
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moderated Re: provide "favoriting" (bookmarking) of posts #suggestion

 

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 08:01 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
The much harder part would be to find the one you want later.
That's what I'm suggesting.:)

I am quite curious as to what you had in mind. How would you see this suggestion as being different or better than just using the browser? 
I don't want to clutter up browser favorites with a bunch of specific messages in groups.io. They are on a lower level. I want my browser favorites to consist of the sites themselves. What I have in mind is being able to go into groups.io and easily seeing a list of messages I've marked as a favorite somehow. This could be as simple as keeping an internal list, per member of the "Liked" posts, and displaying it on demand by the member.

(Note: my prior suggestion of a group option to disable "Likes" would not conflict with this. That suggestion is really a suggestion to allow disabling *public* Likes, because of the social issues involved. "Likes" could still be marked, but they could be made private so that only the member Liking the post sees the Like, and so that the complete list of "Liked" posts could be displayed by the member whenever desired. Since the option to disable Likes would be on a group-by-group basis, and the list of favorites I'm asking for would be over all the member's groups, it might be better to call this feature Favorite, in case the disable-Likes option gets implemented - to avoid confusion.)
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moderated Re: provide "favoriting" (bookmarking) of posts #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 10:16 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
I may have suggested this in the past (am having deja-vu) but it would be very convenient for any group member to be able to mark posts as personal favorites in order to find them quickly. (I would not want to bookmark them in a browser; that would be much less convenient, and I'm anticipating possibly hundreds of posts being marked.) 
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Flagging posts as "favorites" would be relatively easy. The much harder part would be to find the one you want later. Did you have something in mind as far as what kind of functionality that you would be looking for?

Do you use your browser Favorites much? I do, enough to know that I can do what you are asking for in a reasonable enough fashion that I can find things easily later.

For example, I use Chrome, but I assume other current browsers are still similar enough in their functionality. I would put a folder on the top of the browser, and call it something like "Posts". If I just wanted a straight list of a few favorites, I could use the "Name" text string to provide some bit of organization. You did say "hundreds of posts" and for that, I would add more level(s) of folder structure. I do this now for different applications, but I find the hardest part to be defining the hierarchy. Using the browser favorites manager for me is the easy part.

I am quite curious as to what you had in mind. How would you see this suggestion as being different or better than just using the browser? Were you thinking about perhaps extending the database functionality or making the functionality available for email users? Or would this just be a simple list and "Favorite" would be another filter parameter for the current search?

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moderated provide "favoriting" (bookmarking) of posts #suggestion

 

I may have suggested this in the past (am having deja-vu) but it would be very convenient for any group member to be able to mark posts as personal favorites in order to find them quickly. (I would not want to bookmark them in a browser; that would be much less convenient, and I'm anticipating possibly hundreds of posts being marked.) 
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