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moderated Re: "Likes" revisited

 

Here's that prior thread. Ironically, I (along with a couple of others) "Liked" the request. But that was before I experienced the frustration of allowing locked topics to still in effect be commented on (I've since "unliked" it, after I dug it up).
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/27292375

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moderated Re: "Likes" revisited

 

There was a request about six months ago to allow “thumb upping” on locked topics, which Mark then implemented. Previously, they were unallowed. I didn’t find, and don’t remember, anything about email Likes being a problem. I didn’t know you could Like via email. Can you? 


On Apr 16, 2019, at 4:54 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 11:50 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I've changed it so that if a topic is locked you cannot like any of the messages in it.
Does this also apply to email Likes?  I believe that was the problem before, in that you could still Like via email, but not online.

Duane

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moderated Re: "Find Content" for Member Function

Duane
 

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 01:45 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I was thinking only of messages (content) created by a member, but, this feature should not only be available to moderators or owners.
In that case, the "All Posts By This Member" in the More menu or on their Profile page will find the posts.  Or you can do it from the Search box by entering "posterid:xxx" where xxx is their poster id.  A name could be used, if that person always signs their posts, as you and I do.  Both functions can be used by regular members.

Duane


moderated Re: "Likes" revisited

Duane
 

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 11:50 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I've changed it so that if a topic is locked you cannot like any of the messages in it.
Does this also apply to email Likes?  I believe that was the problem before, in that you could still Like via email, but not online.

Duane


moderated Re: "Find Content" for Member Function

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

By the way, I had asked about advanced search functionality on the Group_Help group in February, citing examples of what I'd love to see in terms of advanced search were such to be implemented.  Since the screenshots are already in that post, here it is:  https://groups.io/g/Group_Help/message/335 

As is obvious in both examples, searching for content from a single member can be done easily.  Bleeping Computer also happens to have a button associated with each public user profile that executes what amounts to an advanced search for messages only by that particular user, labeled Find Content.

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moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

Maria
 

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 01:42 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Can you come up with a use case for this? An example mark or us might be able to see a justification for said idea?

 

Sure. You go to an event that's organized in a group or subgroup you are subscribed to.
You meet someone and only recall their first name, and you would like to DM them to reconnect.
So you go to the directory and you have to look at potentially thousands of profiles to find that person.

If a member could search they'd just enter that person's first name and that would help reduce the profiles you have to look through to find that person.

Or

You go to an event, meet someone, and that person says: "Hey, I have to run, nice meeting you! DM me via the group directory and we can have a follow-up meeting"
You go to the Directory and see thousands of profiles and you can't search for that person's name. So you sit there and press click, click, click and thinking, "If only there were a way to search this directory like I do every other contact list I have on devices and computers".

Maria


moderated Re: Hide Topic Function #suggestion

Sarah k Alawami
 

I can see that, and that could be a viable option. Mark?

On 15 Apr 2019, at 11:38, Brian Vogel wrote:

Sarah,

            Hence the reason I say that a "Hide then Lock" feature could be used to avoid said situation.   I recall the topics you're making reference to, and in all cases it was because a locked topic had subsequently been deleted that the "raising from the dead" could occur.  Groups.io does not (and perhaps cannot) keep a log of deleted topics such that if someone attempts to reply to one via e-mail that it will bounce (and that's what I'd want it to do).

             If I can keep the topic, but hide it, then lock it, it is still a part of the group topic structure, but not accessible to the membership at large for further interaction, which is what I'd be looking for on certain occasions.

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moderated Re: "Find Content" for Member Function

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 01:08 PM, HR Tech wrote:
gives mods more tools
I was thinking only of messages (content) created by a member, but, this feature should not only be available to moderators or owners.

I have very often as a member remembered that "so and so was talking about such and such about a month ago, and I can't seem to get the right search terms to pull it up."  When that happens, I use the "Find Content" feature on that member's profile (which, of course, has to be a public profile in order for me to see it as a regular member) to pull up the list of topics they've participated in, from most recent to oldest sort order by default.   I can generally then recognize the topic I'm recalling as I glance at the topics and the timeframe.

Also, though this has not happened at all on the Groups.io groups I moderate, one can definitely get what I call Rapid Serial Spammers, who very cleverly make a first post that appears to be entirely legit, gets approved and unmoderated, then begins to flood with spam afterward.   It is a grand PITA to clean up afterward, but made much easier by being able to pull up all content from said member in one fell swoop.

Like I said, this could be implemented as a function/button, or it could be implemented as an advanced search option, or it could be implemented both ways.
 
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moderated Re: Hide Topic Function #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Sarah,

            Hence the reason I say that a "Hide then Lock" feature could be used to avoid said situation.   I recall the topics you're making reference to, and in all cases it was because a locked topic had subsequently been deleted that the "raising from the dead" could occur.  Groups.io does not (and perhaps cannot) keep a log of deleted topics such that if someone attempts to reply to one via e-mail that it will bounce (and that's what I'd want it to do).

             If I can keep the topic, but hide it, then lock it, it is still a part of the group topic structure, but not accessible to the membership at large for further interaction, which is what I'd be looking for on certain occasions.

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moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Sarah,

            I don't know how a case that isn't obvious could be made, but I'll try.   You are a member, along with myself, on the NVDA group, which has 1116 members, according to its main page, linked to.  You are a moderator on some groups, and a member on others, so you will be able to see direct examples of both situations, depending on what group you're viewing at the moment via the web interface.

            If I, as moderator, go in to the moderators membership list, which is sorted by "date of member joining" most recent to oldest by default, and want to find you, I can type Alawami in the search box, click the button, and there is your profile and only your profile.   My only option for sort order change that I can see is reversing the date to oldest to newest, which would be useless with over 1000 members if I couldn't search for just one.

            Contrast that to what you encounter if you choose to view the Member Directory that's available to the membership at large instead.  On the NVDA member directory, (and this appears to be the same structure everywhere) your first page is a 3x20 grid of members, sorted alphabetically by display name, and only the first 9 pages are directly accessible via the navigation strip at the bottom.  Once you move up the pages the next page numbers come into view on that navigation strip.  In total, there are 18 pages, 17 of which contain the full count of 60 members who have visible profiles.   Do you really want to go sifting through that, page by page, if you're trying to locate a specific member's profile, regardless of the purpose?   I sure don't.

             It is completely conventional on every other forum I'm on to be able to search the entirety of the public member profiles, and the individual member decides the public/private status of their profile when setting up their account, and can change that at any time.

             I don't know of a single soul who's used any recent software who doesn't know that individual members have that option, and if they've exercised going with a private profile it's not going to show up in search results.  It can't.
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moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can you come up with a use case for this? An example mark or us might be able to see a justification for said idea?

On 15 Apr 2019, at 10:05, HR Tech via Groups.Io wrote:

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 01:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The phrase, "Better than nothing," springs immediately to mind.   It's known that members can have non-public profiles.  Being able to search the public ones is a big deal as far as I'm concerned. 
Agree with this.
It would be good to have a search feature within the directory.
Since you can only see the directory if you have opted in to it yourself - it's obvious to all that the search results will be limited to those who have opted in to making their info viewable to other group members, to all, public etc.

Maria


moderated Re: Hide Topic Function #suggestion

Sarah k Alawami
 

If the topic is by email though and the topic let's say was deleted from the forum but not from the person's email obviously, they can and I've seen cases where they do, reply to a now deleted thread and trouble starts all over again. I recall a discussion like this a few montsh ago or sometime last year on this list, or was it the beta list, and in the end there was no solution.

On 15 Apr 2019, at 9:19, Brian Vogel wrote:

Also, I forgot to mention that if such were to be implemented, it's vital that the Lock function can be used in conjunction with the Hide function.

If I am recalling correctly, if one locks a topic, then deletes that topic, members can reply to it and have that reply re-create the topic one was trying to eradicate.  There needs to be a way to either lock and delete - and have the lock apply to all subsequent direct reply attempts, or hide and lock, which would have the same effect were someone to try to reply directly.   If the decision has been made to lock a topic, hidden, visible or deleted, the member should get the "topic locked" message back if they attempt to reply to it.
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moderated Re: "Find Content" for Member Function

 

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 09:59 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
instantly do a search for all content in the archive that was generated by a given member.
Yes! Having to go to the member activity log is cumbersome and something I wind up doing a lot. It's the "just one more click" principle again. It's not just one click: it's how many times you have to do it. 
 
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moderated Re: "Find Content" for Member Function

Maria
 

I'm interested in this suggestion, and generally anything that gives mods more tools - - but wondering if the "view all posts by this member" option on the member's profile doesn't already do this?
Do you mean something that shows you all of their activity beyond just posts? I search the activity log of a group to find that info...
Or am i not getting the scope of the suggestion?
Maria


moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

Maria
 

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 01:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The phrase, "Better than nothing," springs immediately to mind.   It's known that members can have non-public profiles.  Being able to search the public ones is a big deal as far as I'm concerned. 
Agree with this.
It would be good to have a search feature within the directory.
Since you can only see the directory if you have opted in to it yourself - it's obvious to all that the search results will be limited to those who have opted in to making their info viewable to other group members, to all, public etc.

Maria


moderated "Find Content" for Member Function

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Now that I'm moderating several groups here on Groups.io, and in "full functioning moderator" position, I'm finding that I really miss functions I have elsewhere that I use frequently.

Elsewhere, in both the moderators Members list, and the public Member directory, I or the members have the ability to click on a control that will instantly do a search for all content in the archive that was generated by a given member.   This comes in handy on a number of occasions.

I'm not wed to that even necessarily being a standalone function, but if it isn't it would be very nice to add advanced functions to the Search function where one could specify messages only from a given member in addition to any other search criteria or as the only search criterion.
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moderated Re: "Likes" revisited

 

Mark,
Great! Thanks.
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moderated Re: "Likes" revisited

 

Hi All,

I've changed it so that if a topic is locked you cannot like any of the messages in it. The previous change dates to May 28, 2015. I couldn't find a message/topic asking for the original change.

Cheers,
Mark

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 9:06 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 09:03 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
it's a side thought I have at the moment:   Does Groups.io have a "hide topic" function?
It's a good thought, but definitely a side topic. The topic I nearly resorted to removing was one that I actually wanted front and center in the group because of the information it contains. I didn't want to remove it but it began to seem like the only way. At one point I thought, "Ok, I'll just lock it," but then remembered that it was already locked. 

Locked topics used to have Likes disabled here and then it was changed. I think the change was a mistake and it should be changed back to how it was.
 
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moderated Re: Hide Topic Function #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Also, I forgot to mention that if such were to be implemented, it's vital that the Lock function can be used in conjunction with the Hide function.

If I am recalling correctly, if one locks a topic, then deletes that topic, members can reply to it and have that reply re-create the topic one was trying to eradicate.  There needs to be a way to either lock and delete - and have the lock apply to all subsequent direct reply attempts, or hide and lock, which would have the same effect were someone to try to reply directly.   If the decision has been made to lock a topic, hidden, visible or deleted, the member should get the "topic locked" message back if they attempt to reply to it.
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moderated Hide Topic Function #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

It's not something that's needed all that often, but it's very handy to have.

There are occasions when a topic is introduced where additional discussion among group management may be needed to decide whether or not it should be permitted.  You don't want to delete the topic, and locking the topic still allows it to appear, which you don't want, either.  It could also be a great tool if a "cooling off period" on a given topic became desirable.

The ability to remove a topic from view, and the ability to interact with it, would be very helpful.  Just like members get a, "this topic is locked," message back if they attempt to respond by e-mail to a locked topic, a similar message such as, "this topic is currently under review and cannot be added to until review is complete," could be sent if someone attempted to reply to a topic that has since been hidden.

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