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moderated Re: Moderator Permissions

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 04:34 PM, Jeremy H wrote:
A further point to mention - as it is relevant, and needs to be catered for - is that it possible (and reasonable) for a moderator to have no specific privileges (but just be a moderator), which gives them access to various features, which can be set to '(all) moderators only'.
I think you would need to clarify exactly what you mean by a moderator to have no specific privileges. Now it would be possible (I suppose) to appoint a subscriber as a moderator but not give them any of the permissions in the picklist, unless of course the system spots that and stops you doing it! As it happens anyone thus appointed would still have permissions to upload / edit material to the Files & Photos sections (etc) if those sections were set to Owners & Moderators only.

FWIW I simply cannot see what your suggestion would achieve. The objective of my suggestion detailed in the initial post on this topic is for moderators to know exactly what permissions they do and do not have; as Catlady clearly stated in her post Without that, it's a guessing game. If a puzzled moderator comes to the GMF (or here, for that matter) for guidance about some difficulty it becomes impossible to give any sort of meaningful answer if the person concerned has no clear view of the permissions they have and no straightforward means of finding out either.

Chris


moderated Re: Moderator Permissions

 

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 08:34 AM, Jeremy H wrote:
moderators should be able to see whether they have a privilege (or not).
This seems obvious to me. Without that, it's a guessing game. An oracle. They have to try it to see if they're allowed to do it, which seems ridiculous.
 
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moderated Re: Moderator Permissions

Jeremy H
 

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 09:58 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 11:46 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
You can bet there will be some group owners who will object to this, and strenuously.
Given that the above may well be true can I suggest / request that further discussion reverts to the GMF topic where it all began? The relevant thread starts here.

Better that than clogging up beta.

Chris
IMHO, no: the GMF discussion (on how and why) on this particular issue reached a conclusion: that a change is desirable - discussion of that change, to reach a consensus, is a matter for Beta.

Getting back to the requested change, I am in favour: moderators should be able to see whether they have a privilege (or not). I can understand why this may be considered undesirable, and so objected to: there are two possible was of avoiding this - either make it an optional feature,  that can switched on/off as a group setting; or that only those moderator privileges which are set are listed (but not those which aren't) - and I would suggest that the choice between then should be down to ease of implementation as much as anything. 

A further point to mention - as it is relevant, and needs to be catered for - is that it possible (and reasonable) for a moderator to have no specific privileges (but just be a moderator), which gives them access to various features, which can be set to '(all) moderators only'.

Jeremy


moderated Re: Moderator Permissions

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 11:46 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
You can bet there will be some group owners who will object to this, and strenuously.
Given that the above may well be true can I suggest / request that further discussion reverts to the GMF topic where it all began? The relevant thread starts here.

Better that than clogging up beta.

Chris


moderated Re: Mark Vacation

Peter Rawbone
 

Enjoy, Mark you deserve a few days away.

Peter


moderated Re: Calendar Entry time zone and display time zone

 

Pedja,

I found no option to set what is local time zone.
See:
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/14674

Shal


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • INTERNAL: Work on adding the ability to charge for subscriptions.
  • BUGFIX: Work to fix a parsing bug in Outlook for ICS files with newlines in the description.
  • NEW: New Monthly Reminder member notice. These are sent on the 1st of the month, and you can have multiple active ones.
  • INTERNAL: More changes to automate the process of adding enterprise groups.
  • CHANGE: You cannot like messages in locked topics.

The next #changelog will be on May 3rd.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Mark Vacation

Douglas Swearingen
 

Have a great vacation Mark.  It is much deserved.

Doug


moderated Re: Mark Vacation

Douglas Swearingen
 



moderated Re: Moderator Permissions

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:55 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
By dangling the entire list of Moderator responsibilities in front of some people you could create problems.
And if you can't dispatch of "bad fits" just as you hire 'em on, you (the generic you) are not a good manager (owner, in this case).  It's a part of the job.

It is up to managers not to perpetuate the Peter Principle, and the good ones make darned sure that they don't.  But, as I said, there will be those who object, so if the "dangling" of said responsibilities is not desired, then it should be able to be turned off.   Off should not be the default.
 
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moderated Re: Mark Vacation

Bob Bellizzi
 

Have a well-deserved good time.

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moderated Re: Moderator Permissions

Bob Bellizzi
 

I disagree.  In management, we often have people yearning to get the next level of responsibility who just don't have the level of achievement and span of control to handle it.
By dangling the entire list of Moderator responsibilities in front of some people you could create problems.
Peter's second principle is that people get promoted to their level of incompetency.
I can humbly state I had it happen to me twice before I learned to take a different path forward.


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moderated Mark Vacation

 

Hi All,

I will be on vacation starting tomorrow, Friday, April 19, returning on Monday, April 29. I will be monitoring the site as normal. Response to support email will be delayed.

The #changelog will go out tonight instead of tomorrow night, and the next one won't happen until May 3rd.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: Moderator Permissions

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

You can bet there will be some group owners who will object to this, and strenuously.   The answer to that would be to make the "display unavailable permissions stippled" option something they can turn on/off, with the default being the display on.

Personally, I believe in transparency and a moderator should be fully aware of the range of permissions and which ones they do and do not have.  If you can't trust your moderators with that information . . .
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     Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.

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moderated Moderator Permissions

Chris Jones
 

Mark; 12 months ago you wrote: I feel like I'm missing some additional permissions (permission to send an email to a member, for example), but dealing with this stuff is a bit of a headache because the permissions system is pretty complicated already.

(My italics)

The current overall arrangement can also cause headaches for moderators with "problems" and by extension anyone trying to help them via GMF.

If an Owner so chooses they can give specific moderators specific permissions, which is (I suppose) fair enough. However, unless one specific permission is granted from the pick list of 14 possibilities then the moderator concerned is unable to see the list of what he or she can and cannot do. The specific permission in question is Set Moderator Privileges; with that checked the person can see the list of what they can and cannot do; if it is not checked then there is no way of accessing the detail of the permissions they do and do not have.

Is there any possibility of your changing the system so that moderators without that permission can see a read only list of their own permissions, with the ability to change it limited to those with that particular permission?

If that were to be done when queries on GMF arise they can be asked to go and check if they do or do not have any given permission, because the answer may well depend on that detail. Without access to their own "list" it finishes up relying on guesswork by others, which is rather satisfactory and can result in a lot of frustrated effort. 

Chris


moderated Re: Calendar Entry time zone and display time zone

Kenny Paul
 

Regardless of the timezone used to create the meeting it should display in the timezone the user set in their profile.
Account -> Preferences

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moderated Re: "Likes" revisited

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 01:56 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/2708
Another head scratcher.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it doesn't go with the medium.  It's an insane workaround.  

I hate the Like function to begin with (and not only with regard to Groups.io) but it is, and always will be, a function that sprung up in online environments that it did because it's simple to see there and can be appreciated as part of a whole.

Others, of course, will differ.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

     Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.

              ~ Brian Vogel


moderated Calendar Entry time zone and display time zone

YT9TP - Pedja
 

I had issue with calendar item time zone. I entered item using UTC but when notice is sent to the group, it was displayed in I guess what had to be local timezone. Local time zone was used in error, +1 instead of +2 hours.

I found no option to set what is local time zone.

I expected information will be presented using time zone I selected for the item. Have I done something wrong or this is a bug?


moderated Re: "Likes" revisited

 

Brian,

These sorts of requests still make me scratch my head, since if you
are e-mail only I still see no way to actually "view" likes ...
I perpetually hold out the hope that the long awaited notification overhaul will mitigate that problem.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/2708

Shal


moderated Re: New Monthly Reminder member notice

 

Mark,

This is great. It will enable us to decouple the "public" part of the group guidelines from the "current member" part. So far, we've had to put them all together into one.
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