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moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Nope, doesn't stick.  Now the question is if there is a control to make one's default toolbar always be the advanced compose toolbar.
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moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

J,

           Thanks for the attempted help, but I still am not seeing this.  

           Now, after noodling more, I see that the control furthest to the right, which at first glance looks like a "justify text" option, is the "Show Advanced Toolbar" option.  Once that's up I see the eyeball.

           I seem to recall, though, that showing the advanced toolbar doesn't "stick" between posts.  But I'll try another reply right after this one goes to see what shows up.
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moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

 

It's the eyeball. :)


On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 10:50 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 01:33 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
I use the "Show Advanced Toolbar" > "Preview"
Where is this hiding?  I can't seem to find it, at least not easily.
 
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moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

 

Well, anyway, turns out we have it here (thanks, Gerald). I don't know how useful it will be but will start giving it a shot. I think previewing messages sent by email is more valuable, but I don't think that's realistically implementable (except by the moderation hack).
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moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 01:33 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
I use the "Show Advanced Toolbar" > "Preview"
Where is this hiding?  I can't seem to find it, at least not easily.
 
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     I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.

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moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 01:06 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
The compose box doesn’t look the same as the final post. 
 
This feature exists in some other forum software
Yep, and some very "antique" forums software, at that.  One of the car forums I'm on hasn't had the actual software used to run it updated in years now, and it's stayed on it because we have not been able to find anything that can convert the existing archive to something more modern, and the information is just too precious to lose.

It has a preview function because it uses a weird variant of BBCODE to include things like links, images, etc.

You activate "preview message" or not from the compose area.  The same is true on the far more modern forums software used at Bleeping Computer, where the Add Reply and Preview Post buttons are side by side beneath the full compose dialog.
 
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moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

 

Gerald, thanks for that, great idea. I haven't checked out what happens with attachments, etc., but I'm glad to see this feature is already here.
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moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

 

Gerald,

I didn't know there even was such a thing. I'll go check that out now. Thanks.

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 10:33 AM Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 02:06 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Yes, there is s reason. The compose box doesn’t look the same as the final post. 
 
This feature exists in some other forum software and I don’t moderate/preview my posts out of “laziness.” On the contrary.
 
I’m suggestion an (advanced) account option. You would never need to bother your head about it. 😊

 

On Jan 12, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 11:55 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
where an individual user decides whether or not they want to preview their posts.
Is there some reason they can't 'preview' their posts before hitting send, other than laziness or impatience?  Seems like an unneeded extra step to me.  Of course, it were optional, I'd certainly disable it.

Duane

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I use the "Show Advanced Toolbar" > "Preview"

How is this different than what is being discussed here?

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moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 02:06 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Yes, there is s reason. The compose box doesn’t look the same as the final post. 
 
This feature exists in some other forum software and I don’t moderate/preview my posts out of “laziness.” On the contrary.
 
I’m suggestion an (advanced) account option. You would never need to bother your head about it. 😊

 

On Jan 12, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 11:55 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
where an individual user decides whether or not they want to preview their posts.
Is there some reason they can't 'preview' their posts before hitting send, other than laziness or impatience?  Seems like an unneeded extra step to me.  Of course, it were optional, I'd certainly disable it.

Duane

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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I use the "Show Advanced Toolbar" > "Preview"

How is this different than what is being discussed here?

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moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

 

Yes, there is s reason. The compose box doesn’t look the same as the final post. 

This feature exists in some other forum software and I don’t moderate/preview my posts out of “laziness.” On the contrary.

I’m suggestion an (advanced) account option. You would never need to bother your head about it. 😊


On Jan 12, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 11:55 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
where an individual user decides whether or not they want to preview their posts.
Is there some reason they can't 'preview' their posts before hitting send, other than laziness or impatience?  Seems like an unneeded extra step to me.  Of course, it were optional, I'd certainly disable it.

Duane

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 11:55 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
where an individual user decides whether or not they want to preview their posts.
Is there some reason they can't 'preview' their posts before hitting send, other than laziness or impatience?  Seems like an unneeded extra step to me.  Of course, it were optional, I'd certainly disable it.

Duane


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

 

Or, rather than a group option or a universally applied feature, it could be made an account option, where an individual user decides whether or not they want to preview their posts.


On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 9:53 AM J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
As a moderator, I am using self-moderation in order to preview my posts. I can do this for both email and web posts. For non-moderator members, it might be nice to provide a "preview" feature for their web posts, as exists in some other forums; they would click "send," be shown a preview of how their post would actually look, allowed to edit it, and then "confirm" (or whatever verbiage is desired).

Since I can predict that some groups would object strenuously to this "extra step," it could be made a group option.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

 

As a moderator, I am using self-moderation in order to preview my posts. I can do this for both email and web posts. For non-moderator members, it might be nice to provide a "preview" feature for their web posts, as exists in some other forums; they would click "send," be shown a preview of how their post would actually look, allowed to edit it, and then "confirm" (or whatever verbiage is desired).

Since I can predict that some groups would object strenuously to this "extra step," it could be made a group option.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Allow mods with appropriate privileges to edit messages in a locked topic #suggestion

 

Brian,

I use moderation on myself as a substitute for a "preview" function, which exists in some other forums (craigslist comes to mind). It would be nice to have a preview function here, as well, that non-mod members could also avail themselves of. I know that other mods besides me also use moderation as a form of preview. But this is getting off-topic and perhaps the subject of another suggestion thread.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Allow mods with appropriate privileges to edit messages in a locked topic #suggestion

Dave Wade
 

It is still far too easy to forge a from e-mail address, or to get your e-mail hacked. In a high-volume group where contentious issues are being discussed it makes sense to moderate every ,one moderators included, that way nothing will slip through.

 

Dave

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 12 January 2019 15:50
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Allow mods with appropriate privileges to edit messages in a locked topic #suggestion

 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 09:38 AM, Marina wrote:

A moderator who has to unmoderate him/herself does not make much sense to me.

Nor to me, but J_Catlady has explained her purpose behind moderating herself even though she's a moderator (owner, actually, but still).

I wouldn't do it, but who am I to tell anyone else what works for them?  (At least in cases such as this, where absolutely no damage is done by the choice).
 
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locked Re: Allow mods with appropriate privileges to edit messages in a locked topic #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 09:38 AM, Marina wrote:
A moderator who has to unmoderate him/herself does not make much sense to me.
Nor to me, but J_Catlady has explained her purpose behind moderating herself even though she's a moderator (owner, actually, but still).

I wouldn't do it, but who am I to tell anyone else what works for them?  (At least in cases such as this, where absolutely no damage is done by the choice).
 
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locked Re: Allow mods with appropriate privileges to edit messages in a locked topic #suggestion

 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 06:38 AM, Marina wrote:
A moderator who has to unmoderate him/herself does not make much sense to me.
I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread, but I will point out that many moderators, including me, have ourselves on moderation. This provides the opportunity for an edit (did I send this to the right group? is there a serious error or typo? etc.) before our messages post to the group.
 
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locked Re: Allow mods with appropriate privileges to edit messages in a locked topic #suggestion

Marina
 

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 02:01 PM, Chris Jones wrote:

I can see risks in being able to send attachments when members cannot; even
though we make no secret of the fact that for various reasons we do not allow
them we still get people trying; if I or other Moderators sent out attachments
on a Group I moderate then I suspect that we would get even more members
trying it and wondering why their attachments weren't appearing, with all the
attendant "clearing up" afterwards to be handled.
In my group attachments are not forbidden but moderated.
This means that, even if I am the one who decides if other members' attachments are OK, whenever I send a message with an attachment I have to go back and approve/unmoderate my own post.
A moderator who has to unmoderate him/herself does not make much sense to me.
I almost never use the Lock Topic feature in my group, but Catlady and Brian have a point in asking more freedom for moderators.

Marina


moderated Re: [GMF] Problems if I later decide to follow a topic

 

Hey,
Since I did not receive a response the first time, I will send this message again.
Please see message below.

Sincerely,
Artin Dekker



-------- Doorgestuurd bericht --------
Onderwerp: Re: [GMF] Problems if I later decide to follow a topic
Datum: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 11:21:44 -0800
Van: Shal Farley <shals2nd@...>
Antwoord-naar: GroupManagersForum@groups.io
Aan: GroupManagersForum@groups.io


Artin,

Now I have created a filter in NameCheap Private Email, with the
condition mailinglist contains groups.io, and as an action move to
folder mailing lists. This works well, but if I follow a topic and I
receive the messages that have been sent before, they will go to my
inbox and not to the mailing list folder.

Interesting. It implies that the "catch-up" messages are not marked with the Mailing-List header field.

As a work-around check the To field: normal group postings are sent out as To the group posting address, if the catch-up messages are also you could use that for your filter instead.

I also noticed today that when I reply from Thunderbird to a message
that was already sent, This message does not go to the list but to the
sender.

Hm... This implies the catch-up messages are also not marked with the Reply-To field, which normally reflects the group's Reply To setting.

I guess your work-around would be to manually replace the sender's address with the group posting address in your reply.

So it seems that with the messages sent before I followed the topic
and which were later sent to me, it is not recognized that they come
from a mailing list. Do you know what the problem is ...

I believe you've identified the problem (they are not given the usual outbound list header fields).

... and can this be solved?

Apart from the work-arounds, putting the "proper" fields in the header of those messages would be something for either support, or for the beta group (Groups.io's official "suggestion box").

I don't normally use the Following Only subscription option so I've not run into this. It is possible that the lack of these header fields was previously discussed in beta, maybe you can search for that topic there to see if there's a reason for it, or if adding them is something that should be suggested.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main

Shal


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moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

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