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moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

 

Exactly, Chris, ‘training’ has no relevance to this discussion.


On Jan 12, 2019, at 12:54 PM, Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 07:43 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:
Of course, one could always just push for ‘better training’ instead of improvements…
Of whom, by whom?

Chris

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locked Re: Allow mods with appropriate privileges to edit messages in a locked topic #suggestion

 

Maybe a better question might be: why do you think groups.io actually already provides a preview function if preview is so useless in your opinion? 😊

On Jan 12, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Jim Higgins <HigginsJ@sc.rr.com> wrote:

Received from J_Catlady at 1/12/2019 05:43 PM UTC:

I use moderation on myself as a substitute for a "preview" function...

Why would one need a preview FUNCTION? Why not just proofread what you've written before sending it?

Jim H



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moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 07:43 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:
Of course, one could always just push for ‘better training’ instead of improvements…
Of whom, by whom?

Chris


locked Re: Allow mods with appropriate privileges to edit messages in a locked topic #suggestion

 

Lol. Weird backlash to this request. It’s very standard and understandable.


On Jan 12, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 03:26 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
Why would one need a preview FUNCTION?
Because many of us want to actually see how a message will appear, in its entirety, to all its recipients.  It's not about proofreading (though that's certainly a part of it) but about assessing layout.   

WYSIWYG is hardly a new, or controversial, feature.
 
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locked Re: Allow mods with appropriate privileges to edit messages in a locked topic #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 03:26 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
Why would one need a preview FUNCTION?
Because many of us want to actually see how a message will appear, in its entirety, to all its recipients.  It's not about proofreading (though that's certainly a part of it) but about assessing layout.   

WYSIWYG is hardly a new, or controversial, feature.
 
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     I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.

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locked Re: Allow mods with appropriate privileges to edit messages in a locked topic #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Received from J_Catlady at 1/12/2019 05:43 PM UTC:

I use moderation on myself as a substitute for a "preview" function...

Why would one need a preview FUNCTION? Why not just proofread what you've written before sending it?

Jim H


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 12:53 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
As a moderator, I am using self-moderation in order to preview my posts. I can do this for both email and web posts. For non-moderator members, it might be nice to provide a "preview" feature for their web posts, as exists in some other forums; they would click "send," be shown a preview of how their post would actually look, allowed to edit it, and then "confirm" (or whatever verbiage is desired).

Since I can predict that some groups would object strenuously to this "extra step," it could be made a group option.
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A forced preview is not a bad thing. For anyone. I certainly would not object to one addl click. 
Just sayin. 

That’s why I have any auto send turned off on outlook. It’s SAVED by rear many times to be forced to Send what’s in my outbox!!!


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

I don’t think it shows on a “device”   The icon does show up on a PC under the advanced options. 

There’s other quirks on a device (at least iPhone) can’t select a line or two of text - try and it selects the entire page.  So basically impossible to bold, underline  etc. 

-k


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

One issue with advanced options is that, if you “Edit” a msg, the Insert Image icon isn’t available. 

Maybe a topic for another topic. 

-ken


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM, Michael Pavan wrote:
self-moderation is also a PITA.
Yes, it is.

Of course, one could always just push for ‘better training’ instead of improvements
Not really, in this case.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

Michael Pavan
 

On Jan 12, 2019, at 2:28 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

Emailing a message to oneself in order to preview it I would find a bit of a PITA and doesn't allow editing, etc.
One edits and then resends to oneself, etc.

Anything besides a real preview (including self-moderation) is more or less an inconvenient hack.
I understand self-moderation is also a PITA.


I support this and other suggestions for additional flexibility of group functions in Groups.io that do not diminish or remove functions for others.

Of course, one could always just push for ‘better training’ instead of improvements…


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

 

Emailing a message to oneself in order to preview it I would find a bit of a PITA and doesn't allow editing, etc. Anything besides a real preview (including self-moderation) is more or less an inconvenient hack.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: offlist re your moderation question in GMF

 

Sorry, folks, that was meant to be offlist but I might as well leave it up.
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moderated offlist re your moderation question in GMF

 

Hi Ian,

I'm not in GMF but someone happened to forward me your thread there about "unnecessary moderation" and I found you in beta so that I can respond. 

If you recently transferred your group from yahoo, which I suspect is the case, be aware that members of your old yahoo group who are still M because they have not yet posted the required number of messages do NOT receive the "NuM" designation in your new groups.io group after the transfer.  All M members in your yahoo group (ones who have not yet posted) will transfer over as M, and even after they post the required number of approved posts, they will not be unmoderated. 

I suspect that that's your problem. If so, you either have to go through all your members and set the ones who haven't yet posted to NuM by hand; or, you have to unmoderate all the old members by hand after they post the required number of messages.

I've requested, via the beta group, an option to set either moderated or new members (ones who havent yet posted) to either M or NuM when you make the transfer. Not sure whether Mark is doing this or not.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

Michael Pavan
 

On Jan 12, 2019, at 1:50 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

I think previewing messages sent by email is more valuable, but I don't think that's realistically implementable (except by the moderation hack).
One can always email their message to themself at the same and/or other email addresses to get a sense of how their post will appear to others...


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Nope, doesn't stick.  Now the question is if there is a control to make one's default toolbar always be the advanced compose toolbar.
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moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

J,

           Thanks for the attempted help, but I still am not seeing this.  

           Now, after noodling more, I see that the control furthest to the right, which at first glance looks like a "justify text" option, is the "Show Advanced Toolbar" option.  Once that's up I see the eyeball.

           I seem to recall, though, that showing the advanced toolbar doesn't "stick" between posts.  But I'll try another reply right after this one goes to see what shows up.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 

     I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.

           ~ Jay Gould, U.S. financier & railroad robber baron (1836 - 1892)


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

 

It's the eyeball. :)


On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 10:50 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 01:33 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
I use the "Show Advanced Toolbar" > "Preview"
Where is this hiding?  I can't seem to find it, at least not easily.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 

     I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.

           ~ Jay Gould, U.S. financier & railroad robber baron (1836 - 1892)


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

 

Well, anyway, turns out we have it here (thanks, Gerald). I don't know how useful it will be but will start giving it a shot. I think previewing messages sent by email is more valuable, but I don't think that's realistically implementable (except by the moderation hack).
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 01:33 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
I use the "Show Advanced Toolbar" > "Preview"
Where is this hiding?  I can't seem to find it, at least not easily.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 

     I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.

           ~ Jay Gould, U.S. financier & railroad robber baron (1836 - 1892)

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