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On 21/12/2020 02:35, M K Ramadoss wrote:

No need to use third parties to verify tax exempt status. Applicants can be
asked to provide a copy of the IRS determination letter. In addition, using

In theory, the IRS only has jurisdiction in the United States of America, its territories and possessions.

The practice gets into global politics, but I can't see an organisation whose national tax authority, and charity comptroller, whose attitude is basically "Whilst you are a group of friends whose endeavour is for charitable purposes and whose annual revenue is less than $1,000, get lost" being willing, much less able to handle the paperwork the IRS requires, for it to issue a determination letter.

EIN current tax exempt status can be verified online at IRS.GOV.

And whilst numerous organization whose only connection with the US tax system, is not being able to automatically reject current, and former us residents and citizens fast enough have EINs,no organization whose management has to fill out paperwork, is going to willingly file the paperwork the IRS requires, to obtain an EIN, if they don't need it. And if they do need it, the usual response is to automatically terminate all US citizens and residents from their suspect list, and lists derived from it.

jonathon

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 11:59 PM, SP4149 wrote:

The new pricing policy effective Jan 18th establishes that list of 2000 members should be an Enterprise subscription at $4400 per year.

That's not what it says.  If you have a Premium group then it's $220 per year for up to 400 members then per member pricing kicks in if you go above 400 members.  So, 1600 of your 2000 would be charged at $0.55 per year giving you a total of $220 + (1600 * $0.55)  = $1100.00 per year  (add in a bit more if you are paying monthly).

The only point at which it would seem you need to upgrade to the next level based upon the number of members is if you have a Basic (free) group as there is no per member pricing listed above 100 members.

Andy

There's quite a bit of work to it.
Definitely not for sissies.
I would first suggest that you look at NOLO P
ress's "How to form an Okklahoma Npnprofit" at
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/forming-nonprofit-corporation-oklahoma-36082.html
And then, if that doesn't scare you away, buy their book by the same name.

It gives you the correct step by step procedure.  That series includes lots of auxiliary info also.
I've used their books for both nonprofits and for profit corporations in California and they are definitely worth their modest cost.

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Bob Bellizzi

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 03:34 PM, Bill in OKC too wrote:

So how much does it cost to become a non-profit group?

This isn't a GIO conversation, of course. But the first question is not "How much does it cost?" It's "Do we fulfill the state and federal requirements to become one?" 

Look up requirements for non-profit status in [your state].

Pete

So how much does it cost to become a non-profit group?  My premium group, grandfathered, is $110 a year, paid annually. A new group is currently $200/year, until the price increase happens. An Enterprise group is $200/month, or (IIRC) $2200/ year. Half that IIRC for a registered non-profit group. Lots more resources, but my group is only around 3500 people. One I'm trying to help get more resources is about 4400 people. How do I generate enough $$ from the small groups we have that have a hard time coming up with what we need for the groups we have now? 

Bill in OKC

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 09:09 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

ken,

> Apparent list target sizes :
> Free - 100 members
> Premium - 400 members
> Enterprise - 1000 members

I don't believe these are targets. Merely the number that are included
in the base price of the plan.

I also interpret Mark's comment the way Ken does.  Mark says "the pricing plans will be based on the number of members in the group".

Samuel

Duane wrote:

  If I were starting
out on GIO now (actually after the change), I'm not sure I'd even consider it
as a platform for us.  I might consider paying for one group and using
subgroups, but even that would run around $1700/yr (possibly more) for
Premium.  I know I would get contributions from some members, but I doubt
that it would cover the total cost.

I am in the same situation. I am the owner of a group with 2300 members. The group has been around since 1999 as a free space for discussing literary translation to/from Italian and it's always been open to anyone interested in the subject. We do ask prospective members to introduce themselves, but we do not kick them out if they are not professional translators. The group is run on a voluntary basis, there is no organization or monetization involved.
We don't use polls, chat and photos and we do not allow attachments. We could do without database and files, too.
I might consider paying an annual flat fee of $200, I think I could crowdfund such a sum, but in no way I could pay over $1000/year.
I can understand Mark's concern about the sustainability of GIO, but should the new rules apply to grandfathered groups, too, I would simply have to move somewhere else.

Marina

Guys, as I've already said, I understand that. I'm simply wanting to make it more difficult to share the data en masse, especially in digitally readable format. 

On 21 Dec 2020 at 7:30, Peter Cook wrote:

So my request is to have the option in the Permissions section of a table to
disallow anyone other than the table owner, the groups owner, and/or the group
moderators to export the contents of the table.

Pete

If someone can see the data, then they can save it to their own computer, if only as a screen shot. There is no way anyone can prevent that.

Jim Fisher

Ok. I give.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:49 AM, Peter Cook wrote:

I understand that. As I said, I just don't want to make it easy to send this out in a wholesale way, as in a spreadsheet export.

Just did a quick test and they don't even have to do screen captures, just use View Page Source (in Firefox) and copy what they want from there.

Duane

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:43 AM, Peter Cook wrote:

Yeah, that's a separate conversation from GIO. I'm just looking for a tool to help.

 

 

(This was a response, to toki, not Duane.)

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:43 AM, Duane wrote:

If they can see the table, they can always do screen captures. 

I understand that. As I said, I just don't want to make it easy to send this out in a wholesale way, as in a spreadsheet export.