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moderated Re: Advertising

 

It sounds like allowing the advertising might actually be a good idea for your particular group, since it would serve the group members' needs. I'm thinking you could also (or instead) include the vendor info in a wiki page.

J

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moderated Re: Advertising

CW Bill Rouse
 

Our situation is an entirely different advertising model.

We are a group of 1,000+ yacht owners who constantly need to buy supplies, replacement parts, and services. We have successfully tested leveraging our group size to obtain vendor discounts from vendors we choose to buy from. Those chosen vendors would be interested in advertising in our group. In fact, it is a good way for those chosen vendors to get the news out about new products. And, yes the members would want to hear from those vendors.

But, anyway since this model is so foreign to what anyone has done, I will table the question.

Thanks for the comments.


moderated Ability to move a topic from main group to subgroup or vice versa #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

This has almost certainly come up at some point in the past, but I don't recall it passing through recently and I have no idea of what, if any, change may or may not be in the works.

The groups here at Groups.io that I moderate are related to technology, specifically screen reader technology, and the purpose of "the main group" is to discuss how to use a given screen reader to work with some other piece or pieces of software, including the OS.

I do not have an absolute purity test, but I also know from my own experience (and predilection) that there are lots of occasions where a member may wish to ask about something that's really not at all related to the function of "the main group" because they know and trust the community there.   On all these groups we have subgroups set up for general chat, anything really, that a member might want to ask the community about but that is not on-topic for the main group.

In the natural course of events, topics often get introduced in the main group that are off-topic, but are legitimate and ideally suited to the chat subgroup.  I know of no way, let alone an easy one, to allow me to move a topic out of the main group and into chat, or vice versa should that be desirable.

Since the group-subgroup concept is very constrained here at Groups.io, and the only people who can even be the member of a subgroup must have membership in the main group first, moving messages among a group-subgroup cluster, even if it were across subgroups within a cluster, should not pose any privacy issues.   I am constantly called upon to do just this sort of thing, but across different technology forums, on BleepingComputer where I also moderate.

It would be really nice to be able to shuffle messages between a main group and subgroups dedicated to other somewhat related or completely unrelated topics compared to the main group but where the community of members is the same (or at least can be - as I know subscription to a subgroup is required to begin participation).  Please consider creating this function whose use, of course, would be entirely at the discretion of a group's owner and/or moderation team.
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moderated Re: Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:18 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
It's been awhile since I've seen a confirmation email. We should probably capture an example to put in the GIO help or the GMF wiki.
Here's a sample for you:

Hello,

Thank you for your interest in Groups.io and the group CatladysTestGroup@groups.io. To complete your subscription, please reply to this email.

If you did not request - or do not want - a subscription to this group, please accept our apologies and ignore this message.


Cheers,
The Groups.io Team

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moderated Re: Advertising

 

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:03 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Several vendors have suggested that they would advertise on our group, thus offsetting the annual costs.

Has this ever been considered by groups.io for Premium accounts?

You are welcome to run your own ads in your groups if you wish. I have no plans nor desire to ever deal with advertising again.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Advertising

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 01:03 PM, CW Bill Rouse wrote:
Has this ever been considered by groups.io for Premium accounts?
I will not even attempt to imagine what Mark's response might be - or that of any other beta subscriber - but what do your own members think of the idea?

My own view is that one of the joys of Groups.io is the freedom from advertising (and the tracking that accompanies it) and I would be less than happy to find advertising creeping in on any group of which I am a member.

Chris


moderated Advertising

CW Bill Rouse
 

Several vendors have suggested that they would advertise on our group, thus offsetting the annual costs.

Has this ever been considered by groups.io for Premium accounts?


moderated Re: Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

 

Linda,

Sorry for the confusion, and no problem! It was poorly written in a rush. 😊 My point there was that  premium groups can direct add, which in essence lets them bypass the confirmation process anyway. I realize that’s not really relevant to this conversation, but just thought it would be good to mention. 


On Mar 1, 2019, at 1:25 AM, Linda <lindon@...> wrote:

Sorry J,
This is your statement which I misinterpreted:
(BTW this is not a problem in premium restricted groups, since accepting the application automatically confirms the member. That was my suggestion long ago, because it doesn’t add any functionality, as premium groups already essentially have that ability via direct add. A premium group can also simply ‘confirm member.’)

Thanks for your support,
Linda

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moderated Re: Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

Linda
 

Sorry J,
This is your statement which I misinterpreted:
(BTW this is not a problem in premium restricted groups, since accepting the application automatically confirms the member. That was my suggestion long ago, because it doesn’t add any functionality, as premium groups already essentially have that ability via direct add. A premium group can also simply ‘confirm member.’)

Thanks for your support,
Linda


moderated Re: From address re-writing

 

Mark, yes, that’s what I was referring to. Thanks!


On Feb 28, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:10 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Bcc's on moderator "send message to member" emails in gmail are now fine. However, bcc's on PMs have the spam warning. Was the change supposed to fix that? If not, I can live with it, but a fix would be great!
 
If you're referring to BCCing yourself on a private reply to a message, that should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 

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moderated Re: Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

 

Linda, 

Well, I’m glad to hear I understood your request! However, I am not advocating or suggesting getting rid of NC! Just saying there have been some problems with it. I think they’re fixable and I do think there needs to be some sort of confirmation process. Otherwise I could maliciously sign up a bunch of other people’s email addresses. 🐯


On Feb 28, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Linda <lindon@...> wrote:

Hello,
I don't want my original request to Mark to get buried. At least J understands what I'm asking for.

Note that I'd be perfectly fine with the elimination of the NC designation completely, as J suggests.

Thanks,
Linda

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Feb 27   

Hello,
Having to go through the whole member list to nudge NCs to confirm is time consuming. If the NCs could be listed separately, as bouncing members are, it would be very helpful.
 
Thanks for ALL you do, Mark!
 
Linda

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moderated Re: Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

Linda
 

Hello,
I don't want my original request to Mark to get buried. At least J understands what I'm asking for.

Note that I'd be perfectly fine with the elimination of the NC designation completely, as J suggests.

Thanks,
Linda

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Feb 27   

Hello,
Having to go through the whole member list to nudge NCs to confirm is time consuming. If the NCs could be listed separately, as bouncing members are, it would be very helpful.
 
Thanks for ALL you do, Mark!
 
Linda


moderated Re: Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

Drew
 

In the mean time we can at least download the member list as a CSV file and sort it by User Status (0=Not Confirmed, 1=Confirmed, 2=Inactive, 3=Bouncing, 4=Bounced). Then send all the 0's reminder emails.

Drew

On 02/28/19 11:21, J_Catlady wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 08:14 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
/I did not know that "resend confirmation e-mail" was available as a
bulk action./
Actually I just double-checked that, and it's not. :-) It's not included in the dropdown actions that you can do after selecting a member. However, having all the NC members in one group at the top of the list would still make it easier to do the resends individually. And if you had the ordering AND the addition of "resend confirmation email" as one of the dropdown actions on selected members, that would completely solve the problem.
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moderated Re: Gmail From line re-writing

 

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 10:38 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

FYI, I've started to proactively look for Gmail hosted domains, and setting them so that the From line for messages sent by those users back to themselves is re-written. (I'm looking at the DNS MX records for these domains, which point to google.com).

I just re-wrote the system (that I initially wrote earlier in the week...) so that it automatically re-writes the From line for messages authored by senders being sent back to themselves for all Gmail hosted domains.

It also now re-writes the From line for all messages sent to all hosted Outlook 365 domains.

This should eliminate the need for people hosted by Gmail to contact me. There are still instances of people running their own Exchange servers that will need to contact me to be added to the list.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: From address re-writing

 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:10 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Bcc's on moderator "send message to member" emails in gmail are now fine. However, bcc's on PMs have the spam warning. Was the change supposed to fix that? If not, I can live with it, but a fix would be great!
 
If you're referring to BCCing yourself on a private reply to a message, that should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

 

Bruce, Mark knows all about the missing confirmation email problem and there’s been at least one extended thread here about it. It’s not serving it’s function since commonly, the pending notification questionnaire is received and returned but the member stays NC, as Chris just mentioned has happened in his group. (BTW this is not a problem in premium restricted groups, since accepting the application automatically confirms the member. That was my suggestion long ago, because it doesn’t add any functionality, as premium groups already essentially have that ability via direct add. A premium group can also simply ‘confirm member.’)



On Feb 28, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:59 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
The confirmation emails often get lost. This has been an ongoing problem for years.
It's been awhile since I've seen a confirmation email. We should probably capture an example to put in the GIO help or the GMF wiki. Is there some feature of it that suggests they are more likely to be blocked or sent to spam than a regular group post? If so, this should be shared with Mark so it can be fixed.

It's my understanding that [one of the] purposes of confirmation was to demonstrate that the recorded email address actually exists and is capable of receiving groups.io messages. If for whatever reason a given account consistently rejects them, it seems to me that it's performing its intended function.

Back to the original request, I agree that it would be handy to be able to filter and display any NC records from the Members List, as is done for Bouncing and Moderators and etc. The Actions pull-down menu being context-sensitive anyway, Resend Confirmation Email could be placed there for convenience...along with Remove, Ban and Send Message.

Regards,
Bruce

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moderated Re: Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:59 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
The confirmation emails often get lost. This has been an ongoing problem for years.
It's been awhile since I've seen a confirmation email. We should probably capture an example to put in the GIO help or the GMF wiki. Is there some feature of it that suggests they are more likely to be blocked or sent to spam than a regular group post? If so, this should be shared with Mark so it can be fixed.

It's my understanding that [one of the] purposes of confirmation was to demonstrate that the recorded email address actually exists and is capable of receiving groups.io messages. If for whatever reason a given account consistently rejects them, it seems to me that it's performing its intended function.

Back to the original request, I agree that it would be handy to be able to filter and display any NC records from the Members List, as is done for Bouncing and Moderators and etc. The Actions pull-down menu being context-sensitive anyway, Resend Confirmation Email could be placed there for convenience...along with Remove, Ban and Send Message.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 08:53 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
Confirming their membership requests is something that they ought to be doing for themselves, without moderator intervention. The (restricted) group I moderate uses the Pending Subscription Message function, and if applicants do not respond to it they are not admitted and their applications time out. However, we occasionally find that while applicants respond to the Pending Subscription message they do not take the necessary action to confirm their application,
The confirmation emails often get lost. This has been an ongoing problem for years.
 
this request seems to have generated far more heat than I would have ever expected

There is a cohort here that tends to respond to many, I'd even say most, feature requests with "that's a management function, we would not need this if moderators would just do their jobs better." Others of us, including me, lean more towards the side of believing that groups.io is dedicated to facilitating management functions when possible, practical, and reasonable. So feature requests often tend to generate these arguments.

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moderated Re: Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 03:26 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
In my limited experience, NC only applies to new members who haven't confirmed their membership...
By and large I think that is a fair point, but..

so if they were dealt with in a TIMELY manner they shouldn't be scattered all thruout the member list.
Confirming their membership requests is something that they ought to be doing for themselves, without moderator intervention. The (restricted) group I moderate uses the Pending Subscription Message function, and if applicants do not respond to it they are not admitted and their applications time out. However, we occasionally find that while applicants respond to the Pending Subscription message they do not take the necessary action to confirm their application, and as a result they sit there, technically  members, but in a sort of limbo state with the group in question not sending any posts to them. In some cases they do not respond to (repeated?) requests to complete the application process by confirming their application to join. (Yes I know that might sound bizarre but it does happen.)

Filtering a full membership list to indentify the "NCs" would be a good thing to have, so that a moderator can either send another request or perhaps even cancel their membership completely; now that might be equally useful!

What really baffles me is that this request seems to have generated far more heat than I would have ever expected, and far, far more than it warrants.

Chris


moderated Re: Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 08:38 AM, Jim Higgins wrote:
So yet another problem arising from failure to manage in a timely manner..
In fact I'll strongly disagree with you. I just went into the third group I moderate and found NC's scattered all throughout the 1000+ member list, some of them several pages in. That particular group is restricted and happens to be extremely well-managed. The 3000+member group is less rigorously managed, but could by no means be snidely accused of being "behind the 8-ball."

NC is simply problematic and this is just one of the ways in which it is. Groups.io can help, whether or not a group is "failing" to manage, by making this one aspect easier. I think that's one of groups.io's missions, right? Making group management smoother and easier.
 
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