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Hi All,

I've been trying to get Earthinlink to unblock us. They responded on Friday that they had unblocked us, but I’ve continued to receive reports over the weekend of blocking. I did hear from someone this evening that mail is flowing again. 

I unfortunately have no idea why they were(are?) blocking us.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: remove "compare revisions" button when there's only one version of message #suggestion

 

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 06:26 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
If you don't want the original left around, I'd rather have that done up front when the edit is being done.
Oh, I see what you're saying (was rushing before). You mean that in the case where you want the original gone, it would be easier to specify that at the start of the edit. I agree but might be a bit convoluted to implement.
 
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moderated Re: remove "compare revisions" button when there's only one version of message #suggestion

 

It's useful because sometimes you don't want the original gone. In fact, it was a big fight to get this functionality implemented (deletion of edits). Sometimes inappropriate info is posted and you want to permanently redact it. Other times you just want to fix a typo. Big difference.

Anyway, my main point is the compare button. I'm done. :-)

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:26 PM Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:
Now that I follow what you did, I see what you mean. I never realized this functionality existed. I also find it unintuitive and rather convoluted.

If you don't want the original left around, I'd rather have that done up front when the edit is being done.

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moderated Re: remove "compare revisions" button when there's only one version of message #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

Now that I follow what you did, I see what you mean. I never realized this functionality existed. I also find it unintuitive and rather convoluted.

If you don't want the original left around, I'd rather have that done up front when the edit is being done.

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moderated Re: remove "compare revisions" button when there's only one version of message #suggestion

 

because the button doesn’t do anything. Like I said, not a huge deal but you can actually click on the butto now when there only one existing revision (= version) and for a moment I wondered whether it would let you compare with deleted versions, which would be bad. I was reassured to find out that it was just a no-op. So better to remove confusion and do away with it.


On Mar 4, 2019, at 6:07 PM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Yes, useful when there more than one version. But I frequently delete the original when I edit. Click on ‘more’ then ‘delete this edit.’ I think the compare button would be better grayed-our or gone when there only one version left.


On Mar 4, 2019, at 6:03 PM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 07:26 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Not a big deal, but I just noticed that the "Compare Revisions" button under the revision history of a message (reached by clicking on the blue "Edit" button) doesn't go away even if all revisions have been removed except one.
I'm not sure how you managed to delete a revision, but "Compare Revisions" for me is useful when there is one revision. I like seeing what was changed from the original.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: remove "compare revisions" button when there's only one version of message #suggestion

 

Yes, useful when there more than one version. But I frequently delete the original when I edit. Click on ‘more’ then ‘delete this edit.’ I think the compare button would be better grayed-our or gone when there only one version left.


On Mar 4, 2019, at 6:03 PM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 07:26 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Not a big deal, but I just noticed that the "Compare Revisions" button under the revision history of a message (reached by clicking on the blue "Edit" button) doesn't go away even if all revisions have been removed except one.
I'm not sure how you managed to delete a revision, but "Compare Revisions" for me is useful when there is one revision. I like seeing what was changed from the original.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: remove "compare revisions" button when there's only one version of message #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 07:26 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Not a big deal, but I just noticed that the "Compare Revisions" button under the revision history of a message (reached by clicking on the blue "Edit" button) doesn't go away even if all revisions have been removed except one.
I'm not sure how you managed to delete a revision, but "Compare Revisions" for me is useful when there is one revision. I like seeing what was changed from the original.
 
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Gerald


moderated remove "compare revisions" button when there's only one version of message #suggestion

 

Not a big deal, but I just noticed that the "Compare Revisions" button under the revision history of a message (reached by clicking on the blue "Edit" button) doesn't go away even if all revisions have been removed except one.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Help to locate Members in the Directory and to enable easy Photo album 'owner' editing

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 05:11 PM, Peter Rawbone wrote:
its editing the ownership of the individual images within an album where a Search Box would be beneficial.
Perhaps I've missed something but what do you want to do that you cannot do with the editing facilities that exist at the moment?

Chris


moderated Re: Help to locate Members in the Directory and to enable easy Photo album 'owner' editing

Peter Rawbone
 

Thank you for your reply.

However, its not Editing the Album per se, its editing the ownership of the individual images within an album where a Search Box would be beneficial.

Regards

Peter

PS.  Hadn't realised I had liked my post.  Now unliked it. Thank you for pointing it out.


moderated Re: Help to locate Members in the Directory and to enable easy Photo album 'owner' editing

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 03:30 PM, Peter Rawbone wrote:
A similar search box to be able to find the owner when editing the albums' ownership.
When a moderator selects an Album, and then selects +Edit Album the name of the owner appears at the top of the page, and is easily editable. (In fact the album's owner is visible on the thumbnail of the album) A similar edit of an individual photo's owner is also available once it is "opened" and Edit again selected.

Reassigning ownership can be tedious; as long as you know the "new" owner's Display Name then pressing the initial letter of that D/N will scroll through the membership list displaying those D/Ns starting with that letter is what appears to be a random order. You have to be watchful!!

Imports from Yahoo maintain the original ownerships unless the originator has left the group, in which case the album/photo is reassigned to the moderator who initiated the transfer from Yahoo.

Chris

PS; bad form to like your own post!


moderated Help to locate Members in the Directory and to enable easy Photo album 'owner' editing

Peter Rawbone
 

Good morning,

May I make the following suggestions / requests:

  1. In the Directory section, it would be really good to have a search box to locate a Member, &
  2. A similar search box to be able to find the owner when editing the albums' ownership.  This would be very useful after importing photos from Yahoo (or, perhaps, elsewhere) and to ascribing an image to the correct member - as opposed to the person updating the files.

Kind regards

Peter


moderated Re: (from beta) Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

 

'sending text that is controlled by a group admin to the unconfirmed address provides a path for malevolent group owners to spam unsuspecting addresses.
Shal,

True. In fact, I remember arguing that exact same thing a long time ago, since our pending message contains some text that we would not necessarily want broadcast to spammers. So I guess I'm not wrapping my head around your suggestion here: 
"Perhaps the Pending Subscription notice could somehow be used as an alternative to the address confirmation email."

I also continue to not completely understand why a confirmation process is deemed more important for +subscribe requests than for web requests. Anybody can easily go to the site and apply with various people's addresses, but it seems much harder to spoof emails.

I'm having deja-vu like we've had this exact same discussion in the past, or a version of it, so if we have, no response required. I'll try to find old threads. :)

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moderated Re: (from beta) Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

 

J,

The idea would be a setting indicating that the group requires a
response to a questionnaire. If someone applied to such a group, the
questionnaire would be sent immediately instead of the confirmation
email, and if there is a response to it, the person would be
considered confirmed. Could something like that work?
Technically, possibly, but undesirable.

The issue for +subscribe is that Groups.io does not immediately know if address is legit, or if it may have been spoofed by a malcontent, spammer, or other cause. In that case sending text that is controlled by a group admin to the unconfirmed address provides a path for malevolent group owners to spam unsuspecting addresses.

For web Request the same danger exists: one can type any address you want into the sign-up form.

So it is necessary for Groups.io to use a minimally invasive message to discover if the address is owned by the person making the request, and to apologize politely if it wasn't.

Shal


moderated Re: With regard to Groups.io being blacklisted

 

Brian,

A user on one of the blind technology groups I moderate made the
following two posts,
The first one contains correct information that, as J said, is well known to Mark (and others in the email business).

In fact, Groups.io is already compliant with DMARC for messages sent by members whose email service have published a DMARC reject policy. This includes Yahoo Mail, AOL and others. You can see the effect in the "From" address (received by email) of messages posted by such members. This has been referred to with the slang verb "mung", as in "as a DMARC work-around we mung the member's From address".
https://groups.io/static/help#dmarc

The example failed DMARC because it was a message from a user of Gmail, and Gmail does not publish the reject policy for DMARC. So Groups.io passed the member's From address through unmodified.


In the second post, the only effect of having Groups.io publish a DMARC record would be for Groups.io to collect information about possible spoofing of its domain, and to tell receiving email systems what to do when that has been detected.

This would apply only to notices generated by groups.io using its own domain in the From address. This includes things like calendar event notices, member notices and mail sent in the name of a group's +owner address -- as well as messages posted by members whose address have been munged.

Most messages, from members using sensible email services, contain the posting member's From domain, and would be processed by the receiving service according to DMARC record (if any) of the posting member's service, not Groups.io's DMARC record.

Shal


moderated Re: (from beta) Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

 

Shal,

I’ve been suggesting that too. The idea would be a setting indicating that the group requires a response to a questionnaire. If someone applied to such a group, the questionnaire would be sent immediately instead of the confirmation email, and if there is a response to it, the person would be considered confirmed. Could something like that work?

On Mar 3, 2019, at 3:52 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

Chris,

We then have the rather silly situation whereby the NC status remains
even if the Pending Subscription message gets a proper response.
That's an interesting suggestion.

Perhaps the Pending Subscription notice could somehow be used as an alternative to the address confirmation email. I'm not sure what it would take to do that, I think the From (or Reply-To) address in the address confirmation email is specially coded to be unique to the recipient. Something like that might be needed to do this with the Pending Subscription notice.

Shal


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: (from beta) Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

 

Chris,

We then have the rather silly situation whereby the NC status remains
even if the Pending Subscription message gets a proper response.
That's an interesting suggestion.

Perhaps the Pending Subscription notice could somehow be used as an alternative to the address confirmation email. I'm not sure what it would take to do that, I think the From (or Reply-To) address in the address confirmation email is specially coded to be unique to the recipient. Something like that might be needed to do this with the Pending Subscription notice.

Shal


moderated Re: (from beta) Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

 

Bruce,

That makes sense. I knew I'd heard of some similar scenarios. So I think a category of group that requires a response to a questionnaire might make sense at some point, and could bypass the confirmation email.

Yes, the web questionnaire a la yahoo has been requested over and over again since Day One and I know Mark put it on trello at some point. He had a great idea where the questionnaire responses would automatically be loaded into a group-specified database etc. It was a beautiful pie-in-the-sky scheme. :-) 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: (from beta) Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 02:51 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
"Wait. What earthly good does having a restricted group do if you don't require at least some information from the applicant?" Maybe some groups just google the email address or something? 
In my main group, you have to join the parent organization (and pay dues) before you are allowed to participate in the discussions. We use the Pending Subscription notice to notify people of this ("please wait while we check our member list"), and to redirect non-members to our web site (where they can download an application).

I suspect there are many other possible scenarios. 

A Yahoo-like questionnaire function that stores user responses has been an often-requested feature. That seems to have been fallen by the wayside. It's nice that folks have found a way to use the Pending Subscription notification to compensate, but...

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Bounce History

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 12:40 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Posts crossed, just saw Brian’s. Brian, are EarthLink and mindspring somehow the same? I did have one bouncing mindspring member unbounce after I sent a bounce probe.
Earthlink has a list of their related domains on their email support pages. There are quite a few, including mindspring.

https://support.earthlink.net/articles/email/earthlink-email-and-server-settings-by-domain-name.php
 
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