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moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

J,

Shal, I'd say you're talking about the UI here (how it would look to
the user), not the implementation. Sure, it could look like that.
♫ Because you know I'm all about that look,
'Bout that look, no coding

I only worry about implementation if the suggestion seems challenging, but this one seems fairly pedestrian.

Shal


moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

 

Maria,

Maybe we simply need the Your Groups button no matter where we are on
the site - we used to use the LOGO.
Interesting idea.

One possibility would be to make it the top entry in the Your Groups drop-list. That's still two clicks though.

I don't think I want it below the Logo bar when visiting a group's pages; currently everything below the bar (and above the footer) is group-specific when visiting a group's pages, and I think that's a good design choice.

Shal


moderated Re: Suggestion-calendar feature

Maria
 

I'm late on this. I see the inconvenience mentioned by Charlie and Gina, but we were enjoying that cal-invite automatically checked on.

After the default was changed to that we just adjusted by moderating the cal-invite hashtag, so that no errors would come through if a member made a mistake setting up an event, and so we could make sure that there are not an unreasonable amount of reminders. 
Having cal-invite checked off by default helped ensure that no one set up an event and forgot to announce it. Which has happened several times and made for surprised members when the first they heard of an event was via a reminder close to the date.

It's ok - we will deal with it! We can manage.  Our group didn't ask for the cal-invite to be checked on by default, but we thought it was a good idea.

I wonder if there is any way for mods to be alerted if a member sets up an event but doesn't check off cal-invite?
Mods could go in and correct that then.
Or for the member to be reminded that they are forgetting to announce their event.

Thank you!
Maria


moderated Re: Suggestion-calendar feature

 

Hi All,

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:18 PM Charlie Behnken <charles.behnken@...> wrote:
I want to add my voice also as being unhappy with this change to set the 'Send Invite To Group'  default to 'Checked'.

I have changed it back to not being checked by default.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Suggestion-calendar feature

Charlie Behnken
 

I want to add my voice also as being unhappy with this change to set the 'Send Invite To Group'  default to 'Checked'.

In my case I was creating two place holder  calendar entries that got sent to my group inadvertently which is causing a bit of confusion and embarrassment on my part.  I have created temporary entries many times in the past without sending out notifications, so the change caught me by surprise.  At first I thought it was my fault until I saw it in the change log.

As for forgetting to sent out notifications, that is easily corrected by editing the event and checking  Send Invite to Group, where as  forgetting to uncheck the box is not easily corrected.

Thanks
Charlie


moderated Re: Bounced emails

Toby Kraft
 

Furthermore, this group is for enhancements to groups.io.  Not for support questions.


moderated Re: Bounced emails

Toby Kraft
 

The essence of the error is contained in these sections of the message:
This part is the text explanation:
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recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
  kasergames@groups.io
    host lb02.groups.io [173.255.221.194]
    SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<kasergames@groups.io>:
    500 Invalid request

This part is the error message (delivery-status):
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Content-type: message/delivery-status
Reporting-MTA: dns; se3-lax1.servconfig.com
Action: failed
Final-Recipient: rfc822;kasergames@groups.io
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; lb02.groups.io
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 500 Invalid request
 
What it is saying is that server lb02.groups.io (Remote-MTA) rejected the message for kasergames@groups.io (Final-Recipient) with error "invalid request".

Since that appears to be a valid email address, this should be reported to support <at> groups.io so Mark can investigate.  He's very good at it, by the way.

Toby
 


moderated Re: Feed view now the default

Bill Burns <ftldny@...>
 

On 3/26/2019 1:04 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 09:14 AM, Ken Schweizer wrote:
/I would like to suggest that a message to the owners stating the
change and date to be implemented before a major change is rolled
out to all groups so that we can warn our members./
Agree, definitely need this in the future.
--
J
Just like Yahoo always used to do! :-)

--
Bill


moderated Re: Feed view now the default

Sharon Villines
 

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 01:14 PM, Ken Schweizer wrote:
I would like to suggest that a message to the owners stating the change and date to be implemented before a major change is rolled out to all groups so that we can warn our members.
I find that for most people reading email is an automatic thing that they don’t think about until they sign on and find changes. Telling them in advance can be confusing because they can’t see what I’m talking about, and it just triggers more questions — usually that I can’t answer. It also puts them in the position of waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Once there is a change, I can send a screenshot which is much clearer. When people started talking about a feed, I was thinking in terms of one feed with all the recent messages, for example, and had lots of questions.

As soon as the change is implemented I can explain and attach a screen shot.

I do appreciate it that the previous choice is still there. When one has 30 groups the feed is really overwhelming and not very useful, but I can see how some would like it.

Sharon
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Sharon Villines, Washington DC

"Behavior is determined by the prevailing form of decision making." Gerard Endenburg


moderated Re: Feed view now the default

 

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 09:14 AM, Ken Schweizer wrote:
I would like to suggest that a message to the owners stating the change and date to be implemented before a major change is rolled out to all groups so that we can warn our members.
Agree, definitely need this in the future.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

 

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 09:21 AM, HR Tech wrote:
Beauty is the harmony of function and form -  Alvar Aalto
Function influence but does not dictate form - Eero Saarinen
Form and function should be one, joined in a spiritual union.- Frank Lloyd Wright
Form and function are a unity, two sides of one coin. In order to enhance function, appropriate form must exist or be created - Ida Rolf
Form Ever Follows Function - Louis Henry Sullivan
Agreed, especially the last.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Feed view now the default

 

Thanks, Mark. That's a big start.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Feed view now the default

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 01:14 PM, Ken Schweizer wrote:

I would like to suggest that a message to the owners stating the change and date to be implemented before a major change is rolled out to all groups so that we can warn our members.

 

Thanks,

Ken

Ken,

I would have thought so as well. In fact, when I knew it was coming out, I did let my group members know about it in advance. Turns out that was a bad idea. When it did show up along with the Group page redirected, they came after the messenger (me) with their arrows.
 
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Gerald


moderated Re: Feed view now the default

 

Hi All,

I've made the following change: we now remember which 'home page' you were last on, whether that's the Feed page, the Groups page, or the Topics page, and we return to that page the next time you go to https://groups.io (or click on the logo). Also, I've fixed the column sorting issue with the Groups page.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Bounced emails

 

Starting yesterday, periodically, I've started having trouble with SOME of my emails getting bounced back. I'm not sure if it's an issue with Groups.io, my domain host's server, or somewhere else along the line. I have only rudimentary skills at breaking apart email headers and figuring out WHICH system caused the bounce. Here is one bounced message (with the actual message text deleted for brevity). "InMotionHosting" is the host for my kaser.com domain. "se3-lax1.servconfig.com" appears to be owned by InMotionHosting also. What's not clear to me is whether the error is 'happening' on the InMotionHosting system, or when trying to contact lb02.groups.io. I'm not having ANY trouble with bouncing with any of my other emails, just the ones sent to kasergames@groups.io, which is what makes me suspect something involving that link. Ideas?

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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

Maria
 

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 06:10 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
Perhaps it did look a bit "functional", but that's what I want it to look like; devoid of distractions and frills.

Function over Form, not the other way round.
And you still have that page - intact. Exactly as it was. Just one click away.

The function of the feed is to provide a feed of recent activity, the form it's presented in does that. I don't see distractions or frills in the feed.
It's quite minimalist actually. Shows us: active topics/new - upcoming events/ new files/ new photos/new subgroups/new chats/ and only shows them if they actually have new content.

The function of the YOUR GROUPS page is predominantly administrative, and the form it's in feels that way.  Which is great for the purpose of that page.

Both pages are necessary. Both pages are provided.

Maybe we simply need the Your Groups button no matter where we are on the site - we used to use the LOGO.

Like many architects, designers, artists, dancers, I don't share the idea of function over form. The two should align. It's not one or the other.

Beauty is the harmony of function and form -  Alvar Aalto
Function influence but does not dictate form - Eero Saarinen
Form and function should be one, joined in a spiritual union.- Frank Lloyd Wright
Form and function are a unity, two sides of one coin. In order to enhance function, appropriate form must exist or be created - Ida Rolf
Form Ever Follows Function - Louis Henry Sullivan

Maria


moderated Re: Feed view now the default

Ken Schweizer
 

Hi Mark,

 

After looking at this for a bit I see the change as an moderate issue for our members, although maybe not for owners and moderators who are reading this feed.

 

I would like to suggest that a message to the owners stating the change and date to be implemented before a major change is rolled out to all groups so that we can warn our members.

 

Thanks,

Ken

 

“You do what you can for as long as you can, and when you finally can’t, you do the next best thing. You back up but you don’t give up.” ―Chuck Yeager

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 3:48 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Feed view now the default

 

Hi All,

 

After a bunch of tweaking of the feed view, I've now made it the view you get when you go to https://groups.io and are logged in. The previous view of your subscribed groups, is now at /groups.

 

Please let me know if you have any questions.

 

Thanks,

Mark


moderated Re: Feed view now the default

 

 "the counter for mod action items" - meaning, for each group (not the grand total at the top)


On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:45 AM J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Another crucial addition: unless I'm missing something, the counter for mod action items is nowhere to be seen on the feed page. Why is this minimal info not there? I'm now seeing a whole bunch of detritus that I have zero interest in ("new chats") etc. but not the counter. This needs to be added in my strong opinion.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Feed view now the default

 

Another crucial addition: unless I'm missing something, the counter for mod action items is nowhere to be seen on the feed page. Why is this minimal info not there? I'm now seeing a whole bunch of detritus that I have zero interest in ("new chats") etc. but not the counter. This needs to be added in my strong opinion.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 07:29 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Shal, I'd say you're talking about the UI here
Shal, upon reflection I see that your idea is really suggesting additional functionality and a bit deeper than just the UI. But yeah, sure, it would work for me.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

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