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moderated Re: New moderation setting proposal #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 03:11 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
Then they set up another membership in an attempt to frustrate the process... :(
Chris,
Why don't you restrict membership and stop them at the gate when they try to rejoin?
 
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moderated Re: New moderation setting proposal #suggestion

Ken Schweizer
 

I agree, as owners/moderators we need to take control of our groups. If there is a need to show the difference between authoring and hijacking a message it can be accomplished by approving the authored message immediately and waiting a day to approve or reject with a reply to the hijacked message.

If the hijacker is there to cause disharmony their banning is for a reason other than the hijacking.

Adding a new algorithm to simply simplify the moderator's life only adds another path that "could" cause issues down the road.

 

Ken

 

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." God

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Grimm
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] New moderation setting proposal #featurerequest

 

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 06:11 PM, Chris Jones wrote:

Once a "troublesome member" realised that they could start a topic unmoderated, but that replies were held for moderation, they might start posting replies with a slightly amended subject line in an attempt to circumvent the moderation delay.

The benefit of just moderating the individual(s) concerned is that it is totally unambiguous in its scope. Then they set up another membership in an attempt to frustrate the process... :(

Not to tell anyone how to run their group, but on mine, any member who goes through this much trouble to avoid moderation proves to me that their primary purpose on the group is to cause trouble, which gets them banned. (And so no one thinks I am a meanie, I DO communicate with them privately first.)

Dave


moderated Re: #hashtags

 

I noticed something weird about this just the other day after adding a hashtag to an already-existing topic. I haven't had time to thoroughly check it out yet but just adding my voice to "something funny seems to be going on."


On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:24 AM Technotronic Dimensions <steve@...> wrote:
The replies only, are grouped together. This is what I observed after I
applied the tag
to the 1st subject. Its possible that after tagging the 1st post, the system
now views the rest
of the replies as seperate topics. I thought that after tagging the 1st
post, the tag would be recursively applied
to all the other replies, but this has not been the case.

Any other subject that has not been tagged, groups all the subjects fine.

>>*A question:* are the replies to an initial post correctly threaded below
>>it when the topic is looked at on the web UI?






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moderated Re: #hashtags

Technotronic Dimensions
 

The replies only, are grouped together. This is what I observed after I applied the tag
to the 1st subject. Its possible that after tagging the 1st post, the system now views the rest
of the replies as seperate topics. I thought that after tagging the 1st post, the tag would be recursively applied
to all the other replies, but this has not been the case.

Any other subject that has not been tagged, groups all the subjects fine.

*A question:* are the replies to an initial post correctly threaded below it when the topic is looked at on the web UI?


moderated Re: #hashtags

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 04:49 PM, Technotronic Dimensions wrote:
As an experiment, find the 1st post in a subject thats not been tagged,
and tag it. Do all the rest of the replies now get tagged?
I must confess to being a bit lost in all this, but I think I may have spotted a misunderstanding.

A question: are the replies to an initial post correctly threaded below it when the topic is looked at on the web UI?

Assuming that they are then the hashtag applies to the Subject as displayed on the web UI, and is not replicated in each of the replies.

Chris


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 8:09 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 06:31 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Have we already run out of 2nd lines on the planet? I missed the breaking news in CNN.
Can live without the political commentary, thanks.

I agree that politics are not appropriate on beta, but I read this as simply a joke and and having nothing to do with politics.

To be back on topic, I'm definitely for conserving our limited worldwide 2nd line supplies (they're very difficult to recycle/reuse, don't you know), and therefore am against having two lines in the sidebar. :)

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: #hashtags

Technotronic Dimensions
 

Initial post had a subject, and was later tagged.

As an experiment, find the 1st post in a subject thats not been tagged,
and tag it. Do all the rest of the replies now get tagged?

I dont think they do, and I would like an option to apply the new tag to the rest
of the posts in the same subject.

That's because although both posts are inside the same hashtag, they
have different subjects (with the first having no subject at all from
what I understood).
So, as far as I could see, nothing unexpected :)
Cheers,
Marcio <https://tinyurl.com/TlkTM>
AKA /Starboy/


moderated Re: #hashtags

Technotronic Dimensions
 

1st topic didnt have a tag, and I manually added one days later. Few weeks went by, and someone replied,
but the tag on all the subsequent replies to the 1st topic didnt get tied in with the tag forced into the first post.

The 1st topic is completely seperated from all the subsequent replies now. All the subsequent replies are grouped together
but with no tag.

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From: "Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io" <KWKloeber=aol.com@groups.io>
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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] #hashtags


***any of the following subject replies didnt tie in to the 1st subject ***

Are you saying that all of the subsequent posts (after made the hashtag
change) are under one separate/different (non #hashtag) topic??
Or did each subsequent post end up under its own topic (i.e., several posts,
different topics, having the same non-#hashtag subject)?


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moderated Re: New moderation setting proposal #suggestion

Sarah k Alawami
 

I'm for the moderation actually, and I don't communicate with said person, they will get an outright ban. It's not worth the trouble to even try and reason with someone whois willing to circumvent the rules.

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On 29 Aug 2019, at 8:09, David Grimm wrote:

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 06:11 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
Once a "troublesome member" realised that they could start a topic unmoderated, but that replies were held for moderation, they might start posting replies with a slightly amended subject line in an attempt to circumvent the moderation delay.

The benefit of just moderating the individual(s) concerned is that it is totally unambiguous in its scope. Then they set up another membership in an attempt to frustrate the process... :(
Not to tell anyone how to run their group, but on mine, any member who goes through this much trouble to avoid moderation proves to me that their primary purpose on the group is to cause trouble, which gets them banned. (And so no one thinks I am a meanie, I DO communicate with them privately first.)

Dave


moderated Re: New moderation setting proposal #suggestion

David Grimm
 

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 06:11 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
Once a "troublesome member" realised that they could start a topic unmoderated, but that replies were held for moderation, they might start posting replies with a slightly amended subject line in an attempt to circumvent the moderation delay.

The benefit of just moderating the individual(s) concerned is that it is totally unambiguous in its scope. Then they set up another membership in an attempt to frustrate the process... :(
Not to tell anyone how to run their group, but on mine, any member who goes through this much trouble to avoid moderation proves to me that their primary purpose on the group is to cause trouble, which gets them banned. (And so no one thinks I am a meanie, I DO communicate with them privately first.)

Dave


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 06:31 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Have we already run out of 2nd lines on the planet? I missed the breaking news in CNN.
Can live without the political commentary, thanks.
 
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locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

Ken,


i prefer MY.  “My Computer”

I believe that was discussed long ago here in beta, it is a matter of style and Mark made a choice.

Pedantically that's a list of your subscriptions, not his. Your makes more sense to me because you are visiting a web site - you're virtually outside your house -- in that context my actually does carry the connotation of referring to someone else's (your host's) possession. This is a different context than the example of My Computer.


How to shorten this? Certainly not by changing the meaning to Subscription.

When looking at a group's page that link is the only one that contains information specific to your personal subscription in this group. I think Subscription is a much more focused and appropriate word here in the context of the side links than "Settings". Possessive pronoun or lack thereof notwithstanding.

A second reason is that the word Settings is already taken in that list, albeit that's only seen by group owners and mods. Given that all of the links are links to something in the group, (even your subscription) changing this one to Group Settings would seem redundant.

Shal


moderated Re: #hashtags

 

Ken,


Loosely related I just noticed in our group replies to the original topic ... ended up with messages posted under these topics:
...
Why?


Shal


moderated Re: #hashtags

KWKloeber
 


Loosely related I just noticed in our group replies to the original topic (aka subject aka thread) ended up with messages posted under these topics:
orig subj
orig subj
FW: orig subj 

obviously replies were via email, not web.io. 
Why?


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

KWKloeber
 

Shal

i prefer MY.  “My Computer”

My subs or my groups. 

The second is My Settings for This Group. 
How to shorten this? Certainly not by changing the meaning to Subscription. I know I’m subscribed to this group. 
Have we already run out of 2nd lines on the planet? I missed the breaking news in CNN.
Many side bars use two lines for a link. 


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

Ken,


(continuing to complain)  ;-),

Meh.

THIS is "SUBSCRIPTIONS":

That is a list of your subscriptions. Aka your group memberships. Aka Your Groups.

I'd actually prefer to have that tab be named Your Subscriptions, or even Your Memberships, but long ago those were deemed to make the column awkwardly wide. Leaving out "Your" might not be so bad, but it does make it less clear what's on the page.

and THIS is "MY SETTINGS," not "my subsription"

Those are the settings of one of your subscriptions. Aka your Subscription to that group. I would not want that page renamed "My Settings" because that would be confusing in contrast to the several pages of settings in your Account. I wouldn't mind having it named Your Subscription, but again there is the column width issue.

Shal


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

KWKloeber
 

(continuing to complain)  ;-),

THIS is "SUBSCRIPTIONS":



and THIS is "MY SETTINGS," not "my subsription"


moderated Re: #hashtags

KWKloeber
 

***any of the following subject replies didnt tie in to the 1st subject ***
 
Are you saying that all of the subsequent posts (after made the hashtag change) are under one separate/different (non #hashtag) topic??  
Or did each subsequent post end up under its own topic (i.e., several posts, different topics, having the same non-#hashtag subject)?

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moderated Re: New moderation setting proposal #suggestion

 

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 04:38 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
that didn't make your "moderate the first post" idea a bad one, back in November.
BTW it was Helen's idea, and a brilliant one at that. It is so useful that I want to make it an optional group setting, since I now set all my group members to it and have to do that by hand. (My own humble idea was to make the entire thread that someone starts moderated, which I have ended up using much less often.)
 
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moderated Re: New moderation setting proposal #suggestion

 

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 04:38 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
The idea will fly or it won't, but it strikes me as entirely symmetrical and complimentary to what we already have in place. Don't like it? Don't use it.
Please understand that I am not arguing against it. I'm arguing against its ultimate value. I have nothing against adding it, and if it turns out it gets implemented and I like it, I'll use it, and if not, then not. I still see the two situations as entirely asymmetrical.
 
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