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moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 10:14 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Are you guys sure it’s not being appended?
Yes.  If I can't see it in Gmail's web interface, Outlook 2016, or Thunderbird for messages I originated (not topics, but messages) via e-mail then, as far as I'm concerned, I've definitely checked as thoroughly as possible before saying that, "Yes."
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 07:30 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
it showed up again...but I had to look below the quoted content to find it.
That's what I've been speculating: that the problem is that the sig shows up below the text you're responding to. And if there are 10 prior messages, the sig will be all the way at the end, on the very bottom, and will look like it's not there at all. If that's what's been happening, at least in your case (ellipses or no ellipses), then it's what I complained about several years ago and concluded, based on Mark's response (or lack thereof? I don't remember at this point), that nothing could be done about it.
 
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moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 10:14 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Have you looked within the ellipses below the message you’re replying to, or are you all saying it does not even get appended when you start a thread?
There is no ellipsis in my email client.

In one group, a *reply* I sent came through minus my group sig line, even though I had one set up. But I just initiated a *new topic* through Shalstest and the sig line did show up on that one. And when I replied to that, it showed up again...but I had to look below the quoted content to find it.

I've also noticed that if I create a new sig line, and click on the "Use Signature for Web Posting" box at top, both boxes end up checked even though I only clicked in the one. So I'm not sure if the second box here is *really* checked, or just appears to be.

It's all very mysterious...and I'm still investigating. 

Bruce


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Duane
 

On one of my groups, it worked fine about 3 hours ago.  One of the members sent an email reply and his group signature was added as it should be.  This groups is set to plain text only, but not sure if that would have anything to do with it.

Duane


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

 

Are you guys sure it’s not being appended? Have you looked within the ellipses below the message you’re replying to, or are you all saying it does not even get appended when you start a thread? 


On Dec 7, 2018, at 7:00 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 09:46 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
The signature line you define in your Subscription simply gets inserted in the online message editor whenever you initiate or reply to a message. If you subsequently edit it out, it doesn't get appended to those posts, either.

This does not strike me as a bug. 
Well, now watch me backtrack...

There's a checkbox that says "Use Signature for Email Posting." I have both checked, and (like Brian) the sig line is not being appended to my emails...so now I'm at a loss to explain what "email posting" checkbox is supposed to do.

Chagrined,
Bruce

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 09:56 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Then, if that's the case, and it seems it is, what in the hell is the "Use Signature For Email Posting" checkbox even for?  It serves absolutely, positively no functional purpose.  And if that's the case, it should be removed.
Relax, Brian. I agree.

And if you had said it this way in the first place, maybe we wouldn't have ended up talking about footers and ellipses and the like.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 09:46 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
The signature line you define in your Subscription simply gets inserted in the online message editor whenever you initiate or reply to a message. If you subsequently edit it out, it doesn't get appended to those posts, either.

This does not strike me as a bug. 
Well, now watch me backtrack...

There's a checkbox that says "Use Signature for Email Posting." I have both checked, and (like Brian) the sig line is not being appended to my emails...so now I'm at a loss to explain what "email posting" checkbox is supposed to do.

Chagrined,
Bruce


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 09:46 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
The signature line you define in your Subscription simply gets inserted in the online message editor whenever you initiate or reply to a message.
Then, if that's the case, and it seems it is, what in the hell is the "Use Signature For Email Posting" checkbox even for?  It serves absolutely, positively no functional purpose.  And if that's the case, it should be removed.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 06:10 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Just re-checked, and the Groups.io signature is nowhere to be found in messages I send by e-mail.  Some have my regular Gmail signature, others nothing but the text of the message I sent (formatted, of course).
Brian -- 

The signature line you define in your Subscription simply gets inserted in the online message editor whenever you initiate or reply to a message. If you subsequently edit it out, it doesn't get appended to those posts, either.

This does not strike me as a bug. 

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Shal,

           Gmail, Outlook 2016, and Thunderbird all show my messages as Sent, since I sent them.  What I'm saying is that I would expect, within the Groups.io web interface they would show my Groups.io signature and that the Groups.io signature is what all other group recipients would see.  So far as I can tell, this is not the case.  It seems to me that the Groups.io signature does not get used if I send an e-mail message as the chosen interface to Groups.io.

If that's not how it works then I have no idea what the "use for e-mail posting" checkbox in relation to the Groups.io signature even means.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

 

Brian,

Just re-checked, and the Groups.io signature is nowhere to be found in messages I send by e-mail.  Some have my regular Gmail signature, others nothing but the text of the message I sent (formatted, of course).

If those messages are also missing the standard Groups.io footers, then chances are Gmail is fooling you by showing you the message as sent, not the message returned by Groups.io.

This can also be seen in the very abbreviated collection of headers shown in Show Original, as compared to other messages that went through Groups.io.

Shal


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Just re-checked, and the Groups.io signature is nowhere to be found in messages I send by e-mail.  Some have my regular Gmail signature, others nothing but the text of the message I sent (formatted, of course).

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: Gmail.com From re-writing

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Can you verify that the ones that were your own responses had the From line re-written to be from the groups.io domain? Also, the one that was not your response, was that written by a Gmail user?
The From: field for my own responses shows my Gmail address.  I have checked this via "Show Original" in Gmail's webmail.

The other messages were from a non-Gmail user, and I do not believe these were flagged, but I will not guarantee that.  It's been enough hours between this morning and my seeing this request that I cannot be absolutely sure.  The sender's address ends in .se
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: Gmail.com From re-writing

 

I meant to say that the BCC problem stopped right around time the other problem started. It was like a teeter totter.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Gmail.com From re-writing

 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 09:42 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
We don't re-write the From line of the BCC messages right now
Mark,

It was odd that the BCC problem stopped right around the time of the From line change - which, of course, fixed the other (worse) problem, but seemed to exacerbate this one. It might have been my imagination.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Some Database Bugs? #bug

 

We can use the search option for search a term in "single line text" or maybe in paragraph area?
1. Why can we not search a "date" or "time" in databases? (in "type" field)

2. Most of our members use "24 Our Clock " as time display. When I search a data in database, all time data's turn to "00.00".



greetings
şy


moderated Re: Gmail.com From re-writing

 

J,

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 7:44 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I've started to get the banners again, but only from "bcc me"s in moderator messages to group members. That used to happen before the bad problem started with every one of my own messages, but had stopped at that point. Now it is back, and occurs every time I send a "bcc me" message. 

We don't re-write the From line of the BCC messages right now, so I'm not surprised you're getting the warning. I should look into that.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Gmail.com From re-writing

 

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 7:21 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Just wanted to report that I got three of "the big, yellow banners" this morning in Gmail for Group_Help messages (which is one of those low-traffic groups that I actually have set to deliver e-mail to me).  Two of those three were my own responses.
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Ugh, for reals? Sigh. Can you verify that the ones that were your own responses had the From line re-written to be from the groups.io domain? Also, the one that was not your response, was that written by a Gmail user?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Signatures & the e-mail interface

 

Are you sure the groups.io signature is not simply being swept into the ellipses, below the prior message? That has been a "feature" since the beginning, and I used to report it as a problem but gave up since realizing (?) that nothing could be done about it. It occurs, of course, only when someone replies via email.


On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 7:35 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
I have discovered something that could be a bug or could be a feature.  Since I use the e-mail interface almost never this is the first time I've run into it.

In this case, the forum is Group_Help.  I have a signature defined on the Subscription page, and if I post from the web interface it appears exactly as expected.  I have both checkboxes checked as far as using it for either web or e-mail posts.  If, however, I send a reply back to an e-mail message from Groups.io, the signature from my e-mail client appears rather than my Groups.io group signature.

In this instance, I had suspected that if a Groups.io group signature was defined it would supplant anything that came in along with the e-mail message, but the opposite is happening.  Either could make perfect sense, but without knowing what the design intent was it's impossible to know whether this is a bug or not.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Gmail.com From re-writing

 

I've started to get the banners again, but only from "bcc me"s in moderator messages to group members. That used to happen before the bad problem started with every one of my own messages, but had stopped at that point. Now it is back, and occurs every time I send a "bcc me" message. 

It is not as bad a problem as the other one, so I've ignored it for now.

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 7:21 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Just wanted to report that I got three of "the big, yellow banners" this morning in Gmail for Group_Help messages (which is one of those low-traffic groups that I actually have set to deliver e-mail to me).  Two of those three were my own responses.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu