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moderated Re: "Was removed via email" versus "reported ... via email and was removed" #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

My point (maybe not clearly articulated) was there is NO alternate way to be removed (am I wrong on this?) because of deleting a spam email.   One cannot do it themself “via web” nor do it themself vis email.  The whole wording of “how” (“via...”” the spam reporting occurred is unnecessary and the member is also not “removed via email,” the system  removes the member and the member is simply “notified” after the fact via email.


moderated Re: "Was removed via email" versus "reported ... via email and was removed" #suggestion

 

That's a good idea. I was suggesting a dash, but the powerful little comma is far superior. ;)
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moderated Re: #bug Italics and other rich text formatting don't transfer to or from text files #bug

Kamaloo <k_amaloo@...>
 

Oh, that's too bad. I thought RTF wasn't proprietary. Thank you for the explanation!

Cheers,
Kamaloo


moderated Re: "Was removed via email" versus "reported ... via email and was removed" #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 02:10 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
That’s exactly what it does now.
That part is always at the end IIRC, so adding the comma as I illustrated may help.  Small, but powerful! ;>)  Per the earlier example, it would become:

<email address> reported a message as spam and was removed, via email

Duane


moderated Re: "Was removed via email" versus "reported ... via email and was removed" #suggestion

 

Duane,

That’s exactly what it does now. The problem is that most of the time it doesn’t parse correctly. Instead, “via email” or “via web” attaches itself (by proximity) to the wrong action.


On Apr 18, 2021, at 12:07 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 12:28 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
It might be slightly more clear to separate "via email" or "via web" from the rest of the text in each log entry.
How about something as simple as having it say ", via email" or ", via web"?  I haven't looked at all the possibilities to make sure it would read 'properly', but that should be an easy change and will give some separation.

Duane

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moderated Re: "Was removed via email" versus "reported ... via email and was removed" #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 12:28 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
It might be slightly more clear to separate "via email" or "via web" from the rest of the text in each log entry.
How about something as simple as having it say ", via email" or ", via web"?  I haven't looked at all the possibilities to make sure it would read 'properly', but that should be an easy change and will give some separation.

Duane


moderated Re: #bug Italics and other rich text formatting don't transfer to or from text files #bug

Glenn Glazer
 

On 04/18/2021 10:02, Duane wrote:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 10:52 AM, Kamaloo wrote:
Rich text shouldn't be a problem, should it?
There are differences between rtf and html.  The site can use html (some functions disabled for safety) or markdown.

Duane

This is correct. While RTF and HTML are both markup languages, the syntax and functionality of RTF (a TeX based language) and bears more similarity to PDF (and PostScript before it) than to HTML or XML.

There are several really big differences between the two groups of languages, the RTF/PDF and the HTML/XML:

* The former are proprietary languages (MS/Adobe respectively), the latter are free and open standards.
* The former are focused primarily on creating files to be displayed with a viewer, whereas the latter are primarily about internet communication.
* The former have a large number of functions for drawing shapes and pictures in the output, this is hard in HTML and impossible in XML (without actually including a binary in the document).
* Conversely, if you want imbed an existing image into the document, the latter support many more image formats than the former.

To the main point of the conversation, if RTF were to be supported, Mark would have to find or write an RTF parser which is different than an HTML parser and then integrate that parser into existing code. That's a lot of work for a format that is fading into obsolescence. Even MS doesn't use it for help files anymore, which was RTF's original purpose.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: "Was removed via email" versus "reported ... via email and was removed" #suggestion

 

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 08:53 AM, KWKloeber wrote:
Why is “via email” in there at all,
Because every action that a user takes is logged as having been either via email or via web. It doesn't get more granular than that. The system doesn't go to any lengths to determine which actions could or could not have been done the other way, nor should it. This is clear enough.

It might be slightly more clear to separate "via email" or "via web" from the rest of the text in each log entry.
 
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moderated Re: #bug Italics and other rich text formatting don't transfer to or from text files #bug

Duane
 

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 10:52 AM, Kamaloo wrote:
Rich text shouldn't be a problem, should it?
There are differences between rtf and html.  The site can use html (some functions disabled for safety) or markdown.

Duane


moderated Re: "Was removed via email" versus "reported ... via email and was removed" #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

I’m confused.  How else would a message be reported as being spam?  Other than an email having been deleted from a spam folder?
Why is “via email” in there at all, no less needing to be parsed differently?


moderated Re: #bug Italics and other rich text formatting don't transfer to or from text files #bug

Kamaloo <k_amaloo@...>
 

Hello again!

I checked with pasting directly into the web interface from a Wordpad .rtf file, but the formatting was not preserved.


moderated Re: Unable to set web notifications in Firefox mobile #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 05:21 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
I can no longer set notifications on Firefox mobile on my Android phone.
Trying to give this a nudge. I cannot set notifications on Chrome mobile either now.

Thanks
Andy


moderated Re: #bug Italics and other rich text formatting don't transfer to or from text files #bug

Kamaloo <k_amaloo@...>
 

Thank you for your fast reply!

I'll admit I haven't tried this extensively with Word - I mainly use Wordpad RTF files. I did check under Admin->Settings->Message Formatting that plain text hasn't been forced, but it hasn't.

On further thought, it may be that pasting directly to the web interface works - I'll have to test it again (I often use reply from email, in which case the email must be the problem then). But copying the formatting from the web interface to a Wordpad file, which is what I always do to prepare my replies, still doesn't copy the formatting. Could this be an issue of compatibility with Wordpad, somehow? Rich text shouldn't be a problem, should it?

Thanks!


moderated Re: #bug Italics and other rich text formatting don't transfer to or from text files #bug

 

But the post is about text docs, not Word docs.
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moderated Re: #bug Italics and other rich text formatting don't transfer to or from text files #bug

 

I am constantly advising my group members not to copy/paste Word docs. The most noticeable problem is the extra line spaces that are added.
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moderated Re: #bug Italics and other rich text formatting don't transfer to or from text files #bug

Andy
 

It works when I did a copy-and-paste.  The formatting was preserved, when copying from a Word document into a Groups.io post written in its web interface.  There are many variations possible, maybe you need to be more specific?  An example:

This is plain text.

This is italicized.

This is bold.  This is bold underlined.

This is a bulleted list:

·         Item 1

·         Item 2

·         Item 3


OK, so the bulleted list did not copy correctly.  But italics and bold and underlining did.  I wonder if the group you tried this with enforces plain-text only?

Andy


moderated Re: "Was removed via email" versus "reported ... via email and was removed" #suggestion

 

And of course, the same goes for “via web.”


On Apr 17, 2021, at 2:12 PM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

The “via email” thing is the same problem with every single action in the logs. I’m used to it. One solution might be to simply add a dash before “via email” in every case. Not beautiful parsing but at least separates “via email” from the rest. Another solution would be to put the “via email” with a colon (or something) BEFORE the rest of it. A third solution is to just get used to it. It stopped bothering me long ago. My brain now adds the separator.


On Apr 17, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Andy <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:

When someone reports a message as spam and they are removed from a group for that reason, the entry in the Activity log says:

<email address> reported a message as spam and was removed via email
or
<email address> reported message #128643 as spam and was removed via email

Shouldn't it say that the individual reported the message as spam via email, and was removed?  As far as I know, they were not removed via email.

Thanks,
Andy

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Was removed via email" versus "reported ... via email and was removed" #suggestion

 

The “via email” thing is the same problem with every single action in the logs. I’m used to it. One solution might be to simply add a dash before “via email” in every case. Not beautiful parsing but at least separates “via email” from the rest. Another solution would be to put the “via email” with a colon (or something) BEFORE the rest of it. A third solution is to just get used to it. It stopped bothering me long ago. My brain now adds the separator.


On Apr 17, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Andy <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:

When someone reports a message as spam and they are removed from a group for that reason, the entry in the Activity log says:

<email address> reported a message as spam and was removed via email
or
<email address> reported message #128643 as spam and was removed via email

Shouldn't it say that the individual reported the message as spam via email, and was removed?  As far as I know, they were not removed via email.

Thanks,
Andy

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated "Was removed via email" versus "reported ... via email and was removed" #suggestion

Andy
 

When someone reports a message as spam and they are removed from a group for that reason, the entry in the Activity log says:

<email address> reported a message as spam and was removed via email
or
<email address> reported message #128643 as spam and was removed via email

Shouldn't it say that the individual reported the message as spam via email, and was removed?  As far as I know, they were not removed via email.

Thanks,
Andy


moderated #bug Italics and other rich text formatting don't transfer to or from text files #bug

Kamaloo <k_amaloo@...>
 

Hello!

I have a minor request/bug report - would it be possible for rich text formatting such as bolding, italics and similar to be transferable when you select and copy text, or when you paste it in a post when it has been copied from a document? I know it's possible, because Yahoo Groups did it, but I haven't been able to replicate it on my groups. It's a bit tedious to go through pasted text to find and re-insert the formatting, so I hope it can be implemented in groups.io.

This is the main way I use the groups, so I hope something can be done!

TLDR; - text copied from a post on groups.io to a RTF or Word document doesn't retain the formatting information. Text copied from a RTF or Word document to a post on groups.io doesn't retain the formatting information. Is it possible to fix this?

Thanks!
 - Kamaloo

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